Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

lord quackinton

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah. Come on. You aren't seriously suggesting someone like Michael O'Leary was in charge of the response to COVID-19 in Ireland? What does any business leader know about epidemiology? How does a business leader scale up ICU's? The people here who are villfying the initial lockdown would be the same people complaining if the HSE had collapsed due to the strain of COVID-19?

Would you want an accountant to place a stent?

yes i am.


if michalel o leary was in charge or someone similar or even little old me then there would be a properly run plan.
i said from the start on here - protect every nursing home in Ireland and encourage good personal hygiene, wearing of masks inside and remote working.


after that no lockdown, no 350 covid payment and no wage subsidy scheme. all employees and self employed to have their income taxes suspended for 3 months inc employers PRSI.

all the above not to be recouped.



then the government open the line of credit and borrow from the markets and use the 21 billion borrowed to build hundreds of thousands of well planned resourced homes with the assistance of the private sector.

there is your stimulus easing economic recovery and your housing crisis solved.


your welcome.

the kelt

Hrududu wrote: »

Exactly this. Too many times a cold has gone through our office because people aren't sick enough to take a sick day, and management are wary about allowing people to work from home in case they are slacking.

Hopefully at the very least more employers will implement a policy around this.

I know of a well known City Centre company that in recent years bought out a rival.

They were so vehemently against working from home that there was about a dozen employees from the company they bought out that were remotely based and worked from home as their place of work that they paid well over a million in redundancies to get rid of them rather than accommodate them.

They had no plans in place back in March for working from home and people were still expected to be in the office until they were forced and their trial of how working from home might work was to put 6 employees in the office on their own in a different part of the building to see how much they could do.

If you knew the company and hoe they operated with working from home and seen the ads they run on TV you would p1ss yourself at the irony.

FintanMcluskey

wakka12 wrote: »

Death is not the only serious complication you can suffer from COVID.

Another serious side effect of Coivd is an alarming lack of personal responsibility.
That personality vaccum Pat Kenny had some guy on the show this morning suggesting personal responsibility is key moving forward ie social distance, cocoon if vunerable keep yourself safe, but the economy needs to reopen pronto and as safely as possible.
Of course Pat accused him of killing the elderly no less.

Mad_maxx

Birdy wrote: »

Tony Holohan has become very arrogant. He's on a right old power trip at the moment and pushing continually to maintain as much control as possible.

Did you see them sneering at the journalist who suggested he was being downbeat?

the media have turned him into some sort of infallable god

the conversation and narrative is far too narrow , we need more than medics involved

is_that_so

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the media have turned him into some sort of infallable god

the conversation and narrative is far too narrow , we need more than medics involved

There are a whole lot of disciplines involved in NEPHT, he's just the face of the crisis. It's really not his fault journalists can't formulate decent questions. He's also knocked that notion of infallibility on the head many times and acknowledges that there are still a lot of unknowns.

Class MayDresser

the kelt wrote: »

If you knew the company and hoe they operated with working from home and seen the ads they run on TV you would p1ss yourself at the irony.

I'm intrigued now!!

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Death is not the only serious complication you can suffer from COVID. Deaths are not the only important thing, if hospitals covid wards are overwhelmed with sick younger people, more older people will die as consequence of that

We never even came close to capacity though. All the ICU admissions since this started is less than our capacity.

There are only a few hundred in hospital at the moment. Mainly all care home patients that remain in hospital as a precaution so it doesn't end up back in care homes.

So young people are currently neither dying or crowding hospitals.

SNNUS

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Maybe people’s phones should be used as evidence. Fine people or perhaps remove the 5km limit for 4 weeks as punishment? The technology is there to do this.[/QUO

I have seen it all now.. Just shoot them altogether for this shocking crime.

MrDavid1976

SNNUS wrote: »

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Maybe people’s phones should be used as evidence. Fine people or perhaps remove the 5km limit for 4 weeks as punishment? The technology is there to do this.[/QUO

I have seen it all now.. Just shoot them altogether for this shocking crime.

Good thinking.

MrDavid1976

growleaves wrote: »

I would throw my phone in the canal and get a landline if this was brought in. I hope that others would do the same thing.

Just before this grows legs - I was not being serious. I am in favour of a sensible easing of restrictions and the enforcement focus should be on the areas of highest risk.

FintanMcluskey

SNNUS wrote: »

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I have seen it all now.. Just shoot them altogether for this shocking crime.

Waste of bullets and resources. Built in semtex device in phone, once granny passes 5km, kaboom. Problem solved

growleaves

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Just before this grows legs - I was not being serious. I am in favour of a sensible easing of restrictions and the enforcement focus should be on the areas of highest risk.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

There was a poster here from who called for a techno-totalitarian regime with electronic tagging, no joke.

ixoy

ixoy wrote: »

Is there much cross-referencing done in those cases to see if they've underlying medical conditions, including obesity which seems linked.
Be curious as well if it gets reduced over time in hospitalisation - that initially they'd be cautious and bring everyone in but then latterly decide to let people work through it at home.

I don't have the data to hand but anecdotally, you are correct. That has been my observation at least.

wakka12

Deleted User wrote: »

We never even came close to capacity though. All the ICU admissions since this started is less than our capacity.

There are only a few hundred in hospital at the moment. Mainly all care home patients that remain in hospital as a precaution so it doesn't end up back in care homes.

So young people are currently neither dying or crowding hospitals.

Becuase a lockdown has limited spread of infection to probably less than 3% of the population

showpony1

I need to go into the office tomorrow in city center - are gardaí generally around town Stephens Green/Harcourt asking people what they are doing?

is_that_so

showpony1 wrote: »

I need to go into the office tomorrow in city center - are gardaí generally around town Stephens Green/Harcourt asking people what they are doing?

Can't you just say that you've been called in, can't do it from home?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0514/1138385-dail-statements-coronavirus/

Good news for the "pro economic brigade". Well done, comrades.;)

yosemitesam1

wakka12 wrote: »

Becuase a lockdown has limited spread of infection to probably less than 3% of the population

We probably could have coped perfectly well without a lockdown and have cancelled unnecessary procedures as necessary.
The hospitalisation rate is about one tenth of what was presumed.
Lockdown contributed heavily to the staff shortages seen in nursing homes and hospitals.
In Italy the lockdown caused foreign staff to panic and head home. Schools closing meant that many of the remaining healthcare workers had to stay at home to mind children.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0514/1138385-dail-statements-coronavirus/

Good news for the "pro economic brigade". Well done, comrades.;)

Tony will scupper that Im sure.

As he did when Leo spoke yesterday

growleaves

The Taoiseach likened the virus to a fire in retreat and said we must quench its every spark.

Poetic.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0514/1138385-dail-statements-coronavirus/

Good news for the "pro economic brigade". Well done, comrades.;)

Thats not good news lol. We need phase 5 to start at phase 3 and phase 3 to start with phase 1. and we needed phase 1 to start 5th of May.

Do you know economics at all? Damage is already done friend, riding out this shambles of turtle plan can not be "good news", its barely acceptable news.

You 've just proven that you can never form part of pro economic brigade.

"Oh hey, we are on course for our 5 month pub, sports, cinema, gym lockdown to be lifted 10th of August. Yay" :rolleyes:

Colibri

growleaves wrote: »

Poetic.

Which Terminator is that quote from? :pac::D

Cal4567

the kelt wrote: »

I know of a well known City Centre company that in recent years bought out a rival.

They were so vehemently against working from home that there was about a dozen employees from the company they bought out that were remotely based and worked from home as their place of work that they paid well over a million in redundancies to get rid of them rather than accommodate them.

They had no plans in place back in March for working from home and people were still expected to be in the office until they were forced and their trial of how working from home might work was to put 6 employees in the office on their own in a different part of the building to see how much they could do.

If you knew the company and hoe they operated with working from home and seen the ads they run on TV you would p1ss yourself at the irony.

Ok, but that was then. We are now or so it seems, in a bit of a different world. What's their attitude now to WFH, given that the wider corporate world is showing signs of not only accepting WFH, but positively promoting it.

Polar101

Deleted User wrote: »

Project fear needs to end. There is very little risk of anybody below 65 dying of Covid.

I'm not sure why we are using brexiteer terminology (good for the thanks count, probably) - but what is it that you want to happen, that's not already happening? The plans have been published by the government, and it's widely accepted that the times are not set in stone. Despite the bizarre amount of posts here stating stuff like "Tony said that in a weird way, that must mean he's planning another lockdown", there's (probably:) ) no grand conspiracy ongoing.

dockysher

Quick question guys, my partner is a nurse on coronavirus warde in hospital.
We needed a valve changed to water pump badly as it making water run really slow. We were waiting a few weeks since we asked landlord and no sign of plumber.
So we rang yesterday and said job was critical so plumber came out to do job and in general conservation he asked where me and my partner worked.
I told him and mentioned she worked in hospital, she is at work today. He then flat out refused to do work and said any healthcare worker needs to isolate for 2 weeks before he comes into there house and was very mad he wasnt informed of where she worked beforehand.
Is this not discrimination against healthcare workers and nurses or had he the right to be informed where we worked before he called out for job?

growleaves

The plans have been published by the government, and it's widely accepted that the times are not set in stone

The plan also says that economic considerations may supervene (not exact wording) to bring the phases forward. That is mentioned offhand somewhere in the 23-page document so it may not have made an impression on everyone.

jonnny68

I'm wondering about next week when certain workers go back to work like construction workers who live down the country and commute to Dublin , unlike office jobs these lads are highly unlikely to have any "letter" from their employer saying they are going to work, so id assume they'll relax on this ridiculous 5km restrictions.

I cant see buses and trains packed, but there is likely to be a noticeable increase in passengers, are the garda really going to ask every single person on buses and trains about their movements,i should hope not.

Mike3287

jonnny68 wrote: »

are the garda really going to ask every single person on buses and trains about their movements,i should hope not.

They better wear masks doing it

Just waiting for the first superspreader Garda here with head in everyone's window

tobefrank321

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0514/1138385-dail-statements-coronavirus/

Good news for the "pro economic brigade". Well done, comrades.;)

Pascal's warning of 300,000 long term extra unemployed likely focused his mind.

At this stage we cannot afford to remain in lockdown for a single day longer than nessecary.

And they need to get the testing turnaround and contact tracing up to world class standards. They've had 10 weeks to get it right.

GP referral, swab, analyse, give results and contact tracing need to be done within 24 hours if we want to stay on top of this. Any longer than that, it may already be too late to contain a spread.

Allinall

Mike3287 wrote: »

They better wear masks doing it

Just waiting for the first superspreader Garda here with head in everyone's window

I've been stopped at numerous checkpoints, and not once has a guard put his head in the window, or come even close to it.