Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Breezin

FishOnABike wrote: »

stampeding hippos

Speak for your own kids! :pac:

iamwhoiam

FishOnABike wrote: »

They can hardly contribute significantly to the spread of CoViD-19 when they have been stuck at home for the last ten weeks.

It's about as useful as stating stampeding hippos are not contributing significantly to pedestrian injuries crossing the street in Dublin.

The survey was done when children were still in school .

Ginger n Lemon

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes, it seems like those measures would have done the job at least in less urbanised places like Ireland and Sweden. But what does it matter now, the whole world is in a ****ty economic situation, Sweden just as much so

This is just false.

Sweden dont have 28% unemployment. They dont borrow/ need to borrow. They wont increase taxes in their next budget nor retirement age like we will.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds

Below is real, and Sweden will NOT experience this, not even 1/5th.

"It should already be obvious, however, that the economic and social costs of lockdowns are enormous: estimates from the OECD suggest that every month of pandemic-related restrictions will shrink the economies of advanced countries by two percent. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States, according to the OECD, will see their economies shrink by more than 25 percent within a year. Unemployment is rising to levels unheard of since the 1930s—fueling political backlash and deepening social divisions."

vid36

vid36 wrote: »

Every medical expert around the world agrees there will a second wave in the autumn/ winter, the economy is not going to keep rolling once you reach a certain level of infection.Look at what is happening in the meat factories right now.There are many vulnerable people in Ireland under 65, we are a less healthy population than Sweden. More people with lung conditions, more people with blood pressure, more people with with High BMI, more people with diabetes etc.

If there are so many vulnerable people under 65, why are there not much more deaths. Less than 100 people under 65 have died.

I wouldn't believe every "experts" opinions. They've been very wrong so far.

Do you have sources to suggest we are less healthy than Swedish people?

Speakerboxx

Trades all back today with cement and gravel trucks all over the road. Fair play to them. Restrictions are coming to an end whether the govt like it or not.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

If there are so many vulnerable people under 65, why are there not much more deaths. Less than 100 people under 65 have died.

I wouldn't believe every "experts" opinions. They've been very wrong so far.

Do you have sources to suggest we are less healthy than Swedish people?

They have ignored the fact about 2million inhabitants in Sweden are over 65 vs 700k in Ireland.
Seemingly the irish are fat hippos now

bloodless_coup

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

Colibri

Revealed: The letter which proves tensions between health bosses


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-letter-which-proves-tensions-between-health-bosses-39206430.html

marno21

bloodless_coup wrote: »

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

Ginger n Lemon

Colibri wrote: »

Revealed: The letter which proves tensions between health bosses


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-letter-which-proves-tensions-between-health-bosses-39206430.html

How do we do it? how do we have such incompetence in decision making capacity??

"The row centred on the NPHET’s announcement in the middle of April that Covid-19 testing would be expanded to 100,000 tests per week, on a seven-day week basis for a minimum of six months. The move was announced without clearance from HSE, which carries out the testing."

NPHET should be disbanded today. by midnight. absolutely useless and out of touch.

Ginger n Lemon

marno21 wrote: »

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

Agreed. sets a very bad example for children, who are already suffering pretty badly, socially and in terms of education.

Whiplash85

Does anyone know if the €3.20 cost of working from home daily allowance that employers can pay to employees can be claimed back by the employer?

Thanks in advance

hmmm

vid36 wrote: »

Protect lives and the economy. Implement the full South Korean approach of digital tracking and tracing. It appears we are not going to do this and as a result when the second waves hits, we will be unprepared again and forced into emergency measures.

Can you explain what you mean by "digital tracking and tracing".

Do you want everyone to carry some sort of tracking device? This is an interesting approach, how would you go about enforcing this? Will the device have some sort of thermometer built in to detect fevers?

Colibri

bloodless_coup wrote: »

You'd have to laugh at the people going around with facemasks on out on thier walks or in supermarkets. Loons.

Why? On walks I understand but in supermarkets it's a good idea.

It's a sensible precaution to take. It's respiratory hygeine.

marno21

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Agreed. sets a very bad example for children, who are already suffering pretty badly, socially and in terms of education.

Lots of bad examples being set for children at the minute

Ginger n Lemon

Colibri wrote: »

Why? On walks I understand but in supermarkets it's a good idea.

It's a sensible precaution to take. It's respiratory hygeine.

Because of below:

"Henning Bundgaard, Professor in Cardiology at Copenhagen University, who is conducting a trial on the efficacy of face masks, told The Local that he believed Denmark was right to exercise caution.

"No one has any documentation that face masks outside hospitals work at all," he said. "And I think it is rational to provide this documentation before we demand that people need to wear masks out in the open."

Perhaps the biggest issue, he added, was that masks might create a sense of false security.

"If you feel safe, you might change your behaviour, maybe you get closer to people and maybe you don't wash your hands so often," he said. "So the achievement might be none, or you might be worse off in fact."

facehugger99

marno21 wrote: »

You have to laugh at the people out on walks with masks on. Who goes for a walk to get some fresh air and spends the entire time breathing through a mask?

Some people are starting to lose the plot over this.

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Colibri

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Because of below:

"Henning Bundgaard, Professor in Cardiology at Copenhagen University, who is conducting a trial on the efficacy of face masks, told The Local that he believed Denmark was right to exercise caution.

"No one has any documentation that face masks outside hospitals work at all," he said. "And I think it is rational to provide this documentation before we demand that people need to wear masks out in the open."

Perhaps the biggest issue, he added, was that masks might create a sense of false security.

"If you feel safe, you might change your behaviour, maybe you get closer to people and maybe you don't wash your hands so often," he said. "So the achievement might be none, or you might be worse off in fact."

I do agree with many of your points here but I just can't get behind this one.

Face coverings have shown to block outgoing respiratory droplets. The less of these are blocked the better. Lots of health bodies, scientists & medical experts, over 70 governments and real world data all point towards the efficacy of face masking. There are no randomised control trials but they would be welcome.

It's just one measure amount others such as hand washing and not touching your face.

https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Was just about to post the exact same. Comprehend this
-middle aged woman driving a car with a mask on.
-finishes shopping after blocking entrance talking tripe to another middle aged woman
-get back in car and procedes to polish steering wheel with some sort of spray and wipes even though she was the last one driving it.
I found the whole experience bizzare tbh

bloodless_coup

Good man Ivan.

Clonmel1000

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Good man Ivan.

What did he say today?

Breezin

I also see today that the oldies-only at lunchtime rule in our local park was being openly - and properly - flouted by all and sundry.
Young, old and in-between social distancing (mostly) on a quite beautiful day in May.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

3) Lots of young people end up in hospital and ICU. The hospitals will be overwhelmed.

Not really, we've never been close to capacity in the hospitals. In fact, all of our ICU cases added together since the start of this is less than our capacity. The hospitals are emptier than they've ever been right now. And the people in hospital is mainly elderly people that they are keeping as a precaution before returning to nursing homes.

Just as a point to this, the number of people suffering from COVID-19 in ICUs never went over the capacity of ICUs. The number of overall people in ICU's did numerous times. We also doubled our capacity.

Also, in mid- late march, we were averaging 15-20 admissions to ICU/day. That would have overwhelmed the health service. A lockdown was essential to prevent COVID-19 overwhelming the country.

As of April 1st, there was more people under 65 been hospitalised than over 65.

I get that you are speaking from an emotive place but it would be better to deal with the relaxation of the lockdown in a more rational way.

The only reason that the hospitals haven't been overwhelmed now is because of the interventions we took in March.

iamwhoiam

facehugger99 wrote: »

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Once again I will write this out . I put my mask on at home before going shopping . I like to adjust it , fix it , get my glasses on without them fogging . I then drive 10 minutes to the supermarket and get in the queue with my mask sitting comfortably .
So I am one of the loons you see driving with a mask one . I also couldn’t care less what people think of me. People are so quick to judge other people decisions .

mollser

facehugger99 wrote: »

I saw a guy driving a car with a mask on the other day.

The fcukin' loons we have living in the country.

Had one of these - mask and gloves. Overtakes me on a blind bend on the wrong side of a very narrow busy road with a solid white line, just 30m from a set of traffic lights (which were red). Outside a garda station.

No amount of mask and gloves are going to save you from your own stupidity. Summed it up really

tobefrank321

wakka12 wrote: »

Could you link to where anyone claimed 300,000 could die. As far as I am aware 85,000 was the worst case scemario figure discussed. In addition to that, I've personally never heard anyone claim young people are as affectedby this as older people.

And the reason less than 3% of the population have contracted the virus so far is absolutely and wihtout a doubt because of lockdown, hospitals were not overhwelmed as lockdown slowed the rate of infection down to zero. Whether they would have managed without lockdown is up for debate, but it certainly wasnt looking good in early March, and based on foreign precedent also seemed like the best decision at the time

Dont see how the point about young people being super spreaders is relevant, what does it matter? The virus clearly spreads quickly regardless of who is doing the most spreading.

A second wave(or rather first wave which was abruptly ended) will come, but as you say, it is something we will simply have to deal with, the economic cost is no longer feasible.

85,000 was never going to happen. Even a bare minimum of social distancing without a full lockdown as well as a couple of steps such as regular hand washing, hand sanitizing, optional mask wearing or mandatory on public transport, etc etc and we'd be nowhere near 85,000. Sweden without a lockdown and twice our population will also come nowhere near to 85,000.

Even if most people over 70 or in vulnerable categories followed a couple of minor steps such as mask and glove wearing, etc, they'd avoid the worst.

Many things are here to stay such as better hygiene, no handshakes, etc and most importantly contact tracing. That said the vast majority who get this will have a mild version.

But full lockdowns have had their day. We will just have to live with this virus, and mitigate and contain as much as possible clusters and outbreaks.

We pay our government and healthcare administrators some of the best salaries in the world. If they cannot solve this, then the problem is with them, not the general public.

one armed dwarf

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Once again I will write this out . I put my mask on at home before going shopping . I like to adjust it , fix it , get my glasses on without them fogging . I then drive 10 minutes to the supermarket and get in the queue with my mask sitting comfortably .
So I am one of the loons you see driving with a mask one . I also couldn’t care less what people think of me

I would be suspicious of that facehugger poster, clearly they are just annoyed they can't latch onto your face to implant the alien eggs :pac:

Colibri

tobefrank321 wrote: »

But full lockdowns have had their day. We will just have to live with this virus, and mitigate and contain as much as possible clusters and outbreaks.

We pay our government and healthcare administrators some of the best salaries in the world - if they cannot solve this problem, then the problem is with them, not the general public.

Even the WHO says that now!

boring accountant

dockysher wrote: »

Quick question guys, my partner is a nurse on coronavirus warde in hospital.
We needed a valve changed to water pump badly as it making water run really slow. We were waiting a few weeks since we asked landlord and no sign of plumber.
So we rang yesterday and said job was critical so plumber came out to do job and in general conservation he asked where me and my partner worked.
I told him and mentioned she worked in hospital, she is at work today. He then flat out refused to do work and said any healthcare worker needs to isolate for 2 weeks before he comes into there house and was very mad he wasnt informed of where she worked beforehand.
Is this not discrimination against healthcare workers and nurses or had he the right to be informed where we worked before he called out for job?

Brings a new meaning to the term work shy. If he had any idea where the economy is heading he wouldn’t be refusing work. He’ll be begging for work come September. Tell him to shove it.

boring accountant

Unless Ireland plans to isolate itself from America (arguably our most important trading partner) we need to forget about any dreams of eliminating this disease.

The onus has to now shift from the government on to the public. It’s up to individuals to use what they’ve learned over the last few months to take their own precautions and manage their own risk.