has covid 19 been blown out of all proportion?

NIMAN

wakka12 wrote: »

'Seasonal flu' in Ecuador

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsfjnRB-uA

Its a wonder how Ecuadorians havnt gone extinct with this happening annually

Sweet Jesus that's a shocking clip.

NIMAN

Risteard81 wrote: »

Doctors are not qualified to determine political matters.

.....and vice versa

Risteard81

extra gravy wrote: »

all the global health experts are wrong and you know better.

The majority of global health experts are vehemently opposed to the totalitarian response, actually.

hopalongcass

Risteard81 wrote: »

They're not qualified to give a holistic view of this though. Their desire to crush the virus will actually kill many more people. But they can't see that. It's complete tunnel vision, and inherently dangerous.


Doctors are not qualified to determine political matters.

Exactly this,the WHO are clearly biased in all this considering the funding they are now receiving,blindly trusting the people making millions while dismissing all other experts is madness,and they will monitor the people's pulse online and it won't ever stop till the people say enough,why would they get off the gravy train when so many posters here and on other sites are begging to be locked up and have their grandchildrens future stolen.

It won't stop till everyone says enough,so if u really want this madness to end you need to stop cheering it online while they are robbing us blind.

Heres Johnny

Apart from a few younger people, it's certainly a virus killing off the elderly and now that it's more or less concentrated in nursing homes and median age being reported each day in the mid 80s, people are losing patience with their life and their jobs on hold. I think it shows, and I'm not judging here at all, we don't as a population consider elderly strangers we don't know dying in a nursing home to be worth the sacrifices. That's why, I believe, there's loads of people out and about. I had to collect cheques yesterday (I know, in this day and age unfortunately some of our big customers use a chequebook) and lodge them in a bank. The 2 towns I was in were a hive of summer activity. Plenty were, in fairness to them, keeping distance from others, but this wasn't normal exercise. Just people out and about, queuing at a coffee shop in one of the towns. Suppose its no different to queuing for supermarkets. An extended lockdown after may 5th is not going to be obeyed and we don't have enough police to manage it.

hopalongcass

cooperguy wrote: »

Luckily the nation wont be bankrupted and if anything there has been a rallying of society as opposed to a splitting of the social fabric. Do you want to know want would risk the social fabric of society itself? - sacrificing peoples lives on the alter of the economy (or, you know, the crumbling of an already fragile health service)

We will see,see you in a few weeks because 5th May comes they are gonna lock down more,then when the money runs out for the free wages it's gonna be every man for himself and we are all gonna see how fragile the social fabric is.

wakka12

NIMAN wrote: »

Sweet Jesus that's a shocking clip.

Yep it is totally heart breaking and shocking. And you have lads taking the word of random nobody journalists and some professor trying to get some coverage with contrary views for gospel saying that this is just flu, in complete denial of the dire situations emerging around the globe

sheepsh4gger

Jannies will ban you soon, having a different opinion is not allowed here. You need to follow the NPC talking points. Imagine the power trip.



This is what likely happened:
- the Chinese Communist Party fudged their numbers
- the west got scared, just like when they thought Russians had a superior space program
- the Harvard mafia ran exaggerated models, as usual the media will always pick up the most extreme point of view and run with it for clicks
- the normies got scared and started pushing their politicians to 'do something'
- in response to that nonsense the government started banning travel and posturing


It's really questionable whether the 'lockdown' even works. I bet middle-aged people are hanging themselves because their lives have just been ruined. Just wait until the next stock market plunge, the boomers will follow as their savings will be erased. Also this will cause hunger in the 3rd world and wipe out a huge number of people.


It's not only the politicians that have a conflict of interests by the way. The hospitals have also an economic incentive to call every death COVID-related. If you jump out of a plane without a parachute they will say you died of the virus.

Shefwedfan

So what’s the crack with this thread?

Not enough people dying so we think we should all be let out, get the infection rate up then get locked down but at least the second time the death rate will be higher so we can see why we should be in lockdown?

ShineOn7

facehugger99 wrote: »

Covid-19 shows how easy it is to manipulate people with fear.

Debunked predictions of 10's of thousands of deaths are being used to by unelected 'experts' to erode our democratic freedoms and all enthusiastically cheered on by social-media panic-merchants.

There is no evidence that the 'lockdown' is making much of a difference to infection rate. The only thing we can say with certainty is that it's fcuked the economy off a cliff.

wakka12

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

It's really questionable whether the 'lockdown' even works.

Its really not.Lockdowns stop infections, absolutely and without a doubt. It is questionable whether a lockdown of this severity is needed for such a long period though. Sweden and several Asian nations are maintaining low to moderate levels of infections with easily implemented social distancing measures and other measures such as bans on mass gatherings.

Onesea

And still no large infections amoung the front line foot retail workers...you really have to wonder about all of this

7,500,000,000 earth population -- Deaths over the past4 months from covid19 200.000.......


And they wondered how the Nazis got away with it?

ShineOn7

lozenges wrote: »

A few facts:

1. The virus is spread by human-human contact
2. Human-human contact has been significantly restricted in the past 6 weeks
3. Number of deaths is many times lower than the original worst case estimate (i.e. if no restrictions were implemented)

It boggles the mind that some people appear to genuinely believe that these are in no way contingent on each other.

All of this needs to be printed on an A5 page and distributed to every Irish household before May 5th

After this date I really fear for how people will behave

cooperguy

hopalongcass wrote: »

We will see,see you in a few weeks because 5th May comes they are gonna lock down more,then when the money runs out for the free wages it's gonna be every man for himself and we are all gonna see how fragile the social fabric is.

All signs are that they will start easing restrictions from may 5th. The reproduction number has gone very low in the community. Unless something changes significantly there is no chance of a tightening of rules in May. Every couple of weeks they will ease the lockdown a little more and monitor what impact it has and can the health system cope

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Jannies will ban you soon, having a different opinion is not allowed here. You need to follow the NPC talking points. Imagine the power trip.



This is what likely happened:
- the Chinese Communist Party fudged their numbers
- the west got scared, just like when they thought Russians had a superior space program
- the Harvard mafia ran exaggerated models, as usual the media will always pick up the most extreme point of view and run with it for clicks
- the normies got scared and started pushing their politicians to 'do something'
- in response to that nonsense the government started banning travel and posturing.

You have ignored the actual deaths of actual people in Wuhan, Italy, Spain, New York. They are responding to the actual impact of the virus in places that got caught early by the virus or didn't take it seriously enough. You made up a narrative that doesn't sync well with reality I'm afraid...

wakka12

cooperguy wrote: »

All signs are that they will start easing restrictions from may 5th. The reproduction number has gone very low in the community. Unless something changes significantly there is no chance of a tightening of rules in May. Every couple of weeks they will ease the lockdown a little more and monitor what impact it has and can the health system cope



You have ignored the actual deaths of actual people in Wuhan, Italy, Spain, New York. They are responding to the actual impact of the virus in places that got caught early by the virus or didn't take it seriously enough. You made up a narrative that doesn't sync well with reality I'm afraid...

I think many people have just become densensitised to the number of deaths coming out of those epicentres.Easy to dismiss a number than actually look into what reality is like for those living there. Unfortunately theres a small segment of society it seems who wont believe it could become as bad as that (proportionally to our population and density of course) until it does actually happen

extra gravy

Risteard81 wrote: »

The majority of global health experts are vehemently opposed to the totalitarian response, actually.

Names and links to where they say this please.

Risteard81

extra gravy wrote: »

Names and links to where they say this please.

Once you've posted names and links and qualifications of all those supporting totalitarianism. And their PPS Numbers or NI Numbers or Social Security Numbers. And addresses and next of kin.

And plenty of the opponents of totalitarianism have already been named and links to their arguments posted. So over to you.

sheepsh4gger

wakka12 wrote: »

I think many people have just become densensitised to the number of deaths coming out of those epicentres.Easy to dismiss a number than actually look into what reality is like for those living there. Unfortunately theres a small segment of society it seems who wont believe it could become as bad as that (proportionally to our population and density of course) until it does actually happen

The majority of people here never lived in a city. You have 100 people die every day from say walking into traffic and texting, falling into a swimming pool, getting pinned by a car parked uphill, mixing or overdosing drugs. Also something will eventually happen to all of these old people, they are not Ethernal. There's lots of people dying every day, it's a normal thing.



You just have the elderly that would die normally within the next 5 years go to hospital all at once. Once they are on a ventilator, it's pretty much clear there's no point in trying to save them. All of them are old, mostly men that smoked all their lives and were morbid obese. There's absolutely no excuse for old people being overweight and smoking. If they die at 65 then it's all their fault - don't flush the entire western economy to save them.



Sweden is based for not buying into the paranoia.

extra gravy

Risteard81 wrote: »

Once you've posted names and links and qualifications of all those supporting totalitarianism. And their PPS Numbers or NI Numbers or Social Security Numbers. And addresses and next of kin.

And plenty of the opponents of totalitarianism have already been named and links to their arguments posted. So over to you.

So now you're advocating posting people's personal information on an open forum? You need help lad. I really think you should use all this free time to read a few books. Here's a couple to get you started:

The Origins of Totalitarianism - Hannah Arendt
On Tyranny - Timothy Snyder

These are so you can learn about totalitarianism, a serious term that shouldn't be bandied about willy nilly. Your careless use of it in numerous posts on this thread is an insult to the millions who have suffered through real totalitarianism.

The Gulag Archipelago - Solzhenitsyn

So you can learn about what it's like to live in an actual totalitarian regime.

Over to you. Good luck.

Risteard81

extra gravy wrote: »

So now you're advocating posting people's personal information on an open forum?

Actually you started it.

extra gravy

Risteard81 wrote: »

Actually you started it.

Yeah because asking for the names of the global experts you were citing is the same as asking for people's PPS numbers and addresses. No point trying to debate with a lunatic. Good luck!

Risteard81

extra gravy wrote: »

Yeah because asking for the names of the global experts you were citing is the same as asking for people's PPS numbers and addresses. No point trying to debate with a lunatic. Good luck!

You're the one who believes in Lockdown Lunacy.

abff

I think the question that needs to be asked is "Is the cure worse than the disease". This is a line has has been peddled on and off by the Donald, but it remains a valid question, although not everyone will have the same set of criteria in evaluating this issue.

I don't know any better than anyone else, but my perception, based on what I've heard, seen and read over the past several weeks is that the benefits from the lockdown have, to date, far exceeded the costs. But there will probably come a point where the answer to this question is not so clearcut and the question then becomes will we act too soon in easing the lockdown or leave it too late.

Again, I don't know the answer to this question and I just hope we get the balance right. But having a fractured approach where some elements of society decide to adhere to the guidelines and others totally ignore them is very unlikely to work.

Turtwig

Risteard81 wrote: »

They're not qualified to give a holistic view of this though. Their desire to crush the virus will actually kill many more people. But they can't see that. It's complete tunnel vision, and inherently dangerous.


Doctors are not qualified to determine political matters.

How in da fuq is this a political matter???

Risteard81

Turtwig wrote: »

How in da fuq is this a political matter???

How in God's name isn't it?

Buddhas belly

In fairness I think we are delaying the inevitable. ATM there is no vacine on the horizon, there are treatments which are being trialed which may be the answer rather than a blanket vacine approach. If we look at Iceland who actually tested 10% of their population they found the death rate was 0.5% and this is without the restrictions that are currently in place in E.U. countries. We have to ask whether it is necessary to shut down the economy or just heighten the response to those who have to 'cocoon'. For example if certain support were put in place to make sure that those who needed to cocoon were supported in every way, a policy of provision of food, health care, pyschological and social care, it would allow the economy to get back to normal. Yes there would be those who will succumb, and there would be possible fatalities in the wider population outside of those in isolation, as there would be during any flu season. If it is allowed to run through a majority healthy community (if it hasn't already), we may begin the process of building up herd immunity, as with the common cold.

sheepsh4gger

Tell me how

Risteard81 wrote: »

They're not qualified to give a holistic view of this though. Their desire to crush the virus will actually kill many more people. But they can't see that. It's complete tunnel vision, and inherently dangerous.


Doctors are not qualified to determine political matters.

What qualifies you yo make the statement in bold above?

How is that you think that you know more about this highly qualified and experienced medical professionals?

Do you see any hypocrisy with saying that someone isn't qualified to express an opinion on a matter as you speak the way you do?

sheepsh4gger

Another red pill:
https://youtu.be/KLODGhEyLvk?t=491

princereingold

how about lockdown and control as prelude to freemason new world order?