Relaxation of restrictions Part II

lord quackinton

This has been coming but the virus and the lockdown has escalated it
I regularly warn people trump is just mad enough to pull the trigger

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0504/1136374-pharma-trump-ireland-coronavirus-vaccine/

They will want access to eu through Ireland so will keep a presence but trump wants R and D back in the USA
American companies like Abbott and west pharma etc will come under serious pressure to invest back home
We lose any big pharma over next few years we are goosed

Time to open up now

easypazz

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well we have handed complete unquestionable control to -a Dr who covered up a health scandal and refused to answer questions on it, a minister who doesnt know what the 19 in Covid 19 means and they refuse transparency from the NPHET meetings.
I think Ivan is free to ask a few questions

And a Taoiseach who came third in a beauty contest.

And a cabinet including a few ministers who were voted off in the GE.

SusieBlue

I called to my friends garden this afternoon (3.4km away from my house). I brought my own little deckchair, a packed lunch and some tea and we all sat 2m away from each other.
We all used hand sanitiser, didn’t touch each other and I took my rubbish away with me.
I even rang when I was outside so she could open the garden gate without me touching it, there was no human contact whatsoever.

This was my first time seeing anyone outside my household in just under 10 weeks. I thoroughly enjoyed it and fail to see how what I did is any more dangerous than going to the supermarket or a petrol station.
In fact I’d argue that it’s significantly less risky.

If you give most people a chance to be sensible and proactive they’ll take that opportunity with open arms, just for a taste of what life was like before all of this.
I’m sure someone will be along shortly to tell me I’m an evil granny killer or whatever but I don’t regret what I did, and I’ll be doing it again next weekend.

I saw many others doing the same today, both on social media and in real life.
People are making their own minds up about the risks and dangers, compliance is slipping by the minute and it’s not one bit surprising when you see how conservative & devastating our roadmap to easing restrictions is.

NegativeCreep

lord quackinton wrote: »

This has been coming but the virus and the lockdown has escalated it
I regularly warn people trump is just mad enough to pull the trigger

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0504/1136374-pharma-trump-ireland-coronavirus-vaccine/

They will want access to eu through Ireland so will keep a presence but trump wants R and D back in the USA
American companies like Abbott and west pharma etc will come under serious pressure to invest back home
We lose any big pharma over next few years we are goosed

Time to open up now

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

CruelSummer

hmmm wrote: »

We're barely out of the first wave of a pandemic where the original forecasts were that every country would see their hospitals and ICU overwhelmed.

We're still not out of the woods, and the pressure is on to relax the restrictions which have held the virus back. Many forecasters say there will be a second (and possibly further) waves over the rest of the year.

How much hospital and ICU space we will need will only become clear in hindsight. Right now I'd say most people are glad we have the spare capacity, and aren't going to argue about the cost. I'm sure the health service are trying to balance "normal" admissions versus trying to predict how many beds they need for Covid.

There's an air of unreality in this thread, as if the virus doesn't exist, or we would be happy to see it killing lots of people. We'll need to live with the virus and find ways to do things safely, not pretend it doesn't exist.

You have to look at the data, the original data was not correct, the death rates were grossly over-estimated as they just had case-fatality ratios to work off. There are many thousands of people walking around with the virus who are asymptomatic.
We've been asked to give up our entire way of life, live in a police state, destroy Ireland's thriving economy, ruin people's quality of life, and separate/distance family members from each other based on age...due to a virus who's death rate is 1%...other European countries who were severely affected are coming out of lockdown much faster than Ireland. Why is that?
As a voter, I want to know more about who is feeding information to NPHET, and why their actions are different to other EU countries, we as a people have that right.

easypazz

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Should have stayed in Wales crying into his pints.

What makes you think he was crying into his pints?

Living it up on the ministerial pension more like.

lawrencesummers

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

gozunda

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Today is 4th of May, 7 weeks lockdown here.

I appreciate those countries acknowledge the virus isnt gone, but how is Ireland different? Have we not flattened the curve? Have we not reached the peak?

I guess the question is very simple, why are barbers scheduled to be out of work in Ireland for 5 months while in countries like Spain, Germany, Denmark, etc 2 months? There is something here that isnt right, you cant dismiss that... ? If you say we are being super protective and cautious I ll understand.

PS the consensus of health professionals globally? WHO came out last week and said Sweden's model is the way to go. January to April of this year they were saying Sweden are crazy. Please tell me what credibility do global health professionals have left?

I think you are ignoring the fact a national quarantine, in Italy was was declared on the 9 March which restricted the movement of the population except for necessity, work, and health circumstances, in response to the growing pandemic of COVID-19 in the country.

Similar restrictions didn't come in here until the 27th of March. People in Italy have experienced nearly eight weeks of stay at home restrictions.. We've had barely five weeks. The way some here are going on - you would think we'ed been under lockdown for six months.

I am not a medical expert but I do know that the relevant experts here believe that the numbers of those infected is still too high. The UK have made a similar statement. Have we reached our peak? I dont know but it is clear that the risk of a renewed outbreak remains a very real danger.

It is also clear that Italy, Spain and some other EU countries are ahead of us with regards to their restrictions on the movements of people. Imo it is perfectly reasonable that we do at least the same here before throwing caution to the wind.

Perhaps we are being super protective and cautious - but I dont think so - but better safe than sorry imo.

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw. But as another poster detailed they did not declare that 'Sweden's model is the way to go". Sweden is having it's own difficulties managing the outbreak and evidently they are still struggling.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

We pay Ryan Tubridy in the region of 500k for nauseating drivel. Ill happily allow Ivan 72k

skallywag

road_high wrote: »

More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"?...

You are legally required to always carry ID in many European countries, including Germany.

But do not let that get in the way of you comparing the current situation to the Nazis. I do not think you even understand how insulting this post is to some, nor do I think you genuinely even care.

Ginger n Lemon

gozunda wrote: »

I think you are ignoring the fact a national quarantine, in Italy was was declared on the 9 March which restricted the movement of the population except for necessity, work, and health circumstances, in response to the growing pandemic of COVID-19 in the country.

Similar restrictions didn't come in here until the 27th of March. People in Italy have experienced nearly eight weeks of stay at home restrictions.. We've had barely five weeks. The way some here are going on - you would think we'ed been under lockdown for six months.

I am not a medical expert but I do know that the relevant experts here believe that the numbers of those infected is still too high. The UK have made a similar statement. Have we reached our peak? I dont know but it is clear that the risk of a renewed outbreak remains a very real danger.

It is also clear that Italy, Spain and some other EU countries are ahead of us with regards to their restrictions on the movements of people. Imo it is perfectly reasonable that we do at least the same here before throwing caution to the wind.

Perhaps we are being super protective and cautious - but I dont think so - but better safe than sorry imo.

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw. But as another poster detailed they did not declare that 'Sweden's model is the way to go". Sweden is having it's own difficulties managing the outbreak and evidently they are still struggling.

Numbers of those infected is still too high? Are you getting this from BBC? BBC are reporting following, emphasis on MAY BE

"
Germany cases 'may be 10 times higher' than official number

How will countries leave lockdown?

Italy death toll may be far higher, report suggests
"

Sweden are struggling? Their total deaths in Jan to April 2020 is 0.6% less than their total average deaths in this period in each of last 5 years...

Tenzor07

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Exactly, the Orange Buffon is just blustering to try and hold onto power, he's be blowing smoke about this for years, needless to say big pharma never really left the U.S... And even if U.S pharma decided to close everything in Ireland and move it back to the U.S it would take up to 10 years, by then Trump will be pushing up daisies..

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw.

I don't think anyone takes the WHO seriously anymore, considering they've been wrong about nearly everything so far.

Speakerboxx

Allinall wrote: »

How was he a failed politician?

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We pay Ryan Tubridy in the region of 500k for nauseating drivel. Ill happily allow Ivan 72k

Two separate but equally controversial issues.

So, answer the question. You don’t like Tony. Who would you have instead?

lawrencesummers

Speakerboxx wrote: »

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

It depends what your definition of success is.

A pension of 72k and a Chunky Newstalk salary would be the envy of plenty of people.

(That said, I still won’t listen to him)

boardise

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

I tune into The Hard Shoulder fairly regularly to see if anything might catch my interest.
I rate Yates a sore disappointment overall. He's intelligent and experienced and can certainly take on the pussyfooting PC cr&p that has infected Irish society and politics. Some of his interviews are pretty businesslike. But he spoils it all with these unnecessary sallies into overblown contrarianism and laddism. He could be so much more than what he is .

Cork Boy 53

CruelSummer wrote: »

You have to look at the data, the original data was not correct, the death rates were grossly over-estimated as they just had case-fatality ratios to work off. There are many thousands of people walking around with the virus who are asymptomatic.
We've been asked to give up our entire way of life, live in a police state, destroy Ireland's thriving economy, ruin people's quality of life, and separate/distance family members from each other based on age...due to a virus who's death rate is 1%...other European countries who were severely affected are coming out of lockdown much faster than Ireland. Why is that?
As a voter, I want to know more about who is feeding information to NPHET, and why their actions are different to other EU countries, we as a people have that right.

Another poster who believe we are living in a police state. We are not now nor have we ever been living in anything of the kind and I would be of the opinion that we have never been in a lockdown worthy of the name either. We have just had some restrictions to regular activities implemented for the good of the public as a whole.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Two separate but equally controversial issues.

So, answer the question. You don’t like Tony. Who would you have instead?

Its not who I would have its what. Transparency. I want someone who will answer questions and provide justification as to why Ireland will be the most restricted country in Europe this Summer

lord quackinton

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

MSD and west pharma are just 2 huge operations
Both worth millions to our economy

lawrencesummers

Speakerboxx wrote: »

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

It depends what your definition of success is.

A pension / income (we need to stop calling former TD’s massive incomes pensions- you get a pension when you reach retirement age. This is an income) of 72k and a Chunky Newstalk salary would be the envy of plenty of people.

(That said, I still won’t listen to him)

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Another poster who believe we are living in a police state. We are not now nor have we ever been living in anything of the kind and I would be of the opinion that we have never been in a lockdown worthy of the name either. We have just had some restrictions to regular activities implemented for the good of the public as a whole.

Lots of legal professionals would disagree with you

NegativeCreep

lord quackinton wrote: »

MSD and west pharma are just 2 huge operations
Both worth millions to our economy

They manufacture and fill though and carry out very little R&D here.

lord quackinton

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They manufacture and fill though and carry out very little R&D here.

not true

FintanMcluskey

lord quackinton wrote: »

not true

Eli lilly, Regeneron, Abbvie the list is endless for R&D and bio. The manufacturer and fill is in no way the complete pharmaceutical industry in Ireland.

BMurr

Fann Linn wrote: »

Are we allowed drive to the beach for a swim or take the boat out on Lough Ree?

RNLI and coastguard guard have asked people to not enter the water so that their services aren't strained rescuing people and potentially exposing their crews to Covid19. However after seeing RTE having a report on surfers having encountered basking sharks while surfing within their 2km zone I'd have to wonder if anyone is taking their request seriously.

Ginger n Lemon

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Eli lilly, Regeneron, Abbvie the list is endless for R&D and bio. The manufacturer and fill is in no way the complete pharmaceutical industry in Ireland.

Your right on one thing Fill not the complete picture. But R&D my left one.

Every one of those companies is here for one reason and one reason only. Plenty of them list R&D because the IDA offers construction grants when they say its for R&D. These multinationals get buildings built for very little because they say it’s R&D, and it’s manufacturing / admin space.

Nickindublin

lord quackinton wrote: »

not true

I worked Pharma for years. We dont do a lot of R&D here. The pharma company i worked for did all their R&D in the states probably approx 3000 working R&D and it was a company with massive profits. But what we do a lot of here is manufacturing of bulk tablets and shipping them back to the states to be packaged. This was all for tax reasons. Have a friend who is currently working in exports at the airport. He is down to a couple of days a week like most nowadays. He told me that the only thing going out of the airport is pharma to the states.

But lets be realistic here Trump is talking the same since he took office, Most of pharma here is exports in the the EU and globally excluding the states. He can only take back what is being made for the states. And thats mainly just tablet manufacture from my experience and it would take years to do this.

Also i forgot to mention. There is a lot of pharma that moves through Ireland but never physically hits here for Tax reasons.

addaword

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Pub association has put forward a request today to start operating 6 weeks ahead of 10th of August. With strict hygiene, social distancing measures.

Anyone wants to guess if they ll be successful? I'd say they won't be allowed, government will make an example out of them. And that is a big shame, but very much in line with the ridiculousness of whats happening anyway.

Thoughts?

Not going to work. After a few drinks social distancing goes out, people ask can I sit here etc.