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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Speakerboxx

Allinall wrote: »

How was he a failed politician?

He was in a FG coalition minster for agriculture in the mid 90s and one of the worst in that position. His own business went bust. And he is the most loud mouthed brocaster on tv who never listens only talks over everyone. Tell me how he is successful?

[Deleted User]

gozunda wrote: »

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw.

I don't think anyone takes the WHO seriously anymore, considering they've been wrong about nearly everything so far.

Tenzor07

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Exactly, the Orange Buffon is just blustering to try and hold onto power, he's be blowing smoke about this for years, needless to say big pharma never really left the U.S... And even if U.S pharma decided to close everything in Ireland and move it back to the U.S it would take up to 10 years, by then Trump will be pushing up daisies..

Ginger n Lemon

gozunda wrote: »

I think you are ignoring the fact a national quarantine, in Italy was was declared on the 9 March which restricted the movement of the population except for necessity, work, and health circumstances, in response to the growing pandemic of COVID-19 in the country.

Similar restrictions didn't come in here until the 27th of March. People in Italy have experienced nearly eight weeks of stay at home restrictions.. We've had barely five weeks. The way some here are going on - you would think we'ed been under lockdown for six months.

I am not a medical expert but I do know that the relevant experts here believe that the numbers of those infected is still too high. The UK have made a similar statement. Have we reached our peak? I dont know but it is clear that the risk of a renewed outbreak remains a very real danger.

It is also clear that Italy, Spain and some other EU countries are ahead of us with regards to their restrictions on the movements of people. Imo it is perfectly reasonable that we do at least the same here before throwing caution to the wind.

Perhaps we are being super protective and cautious - but I dont think so - but better safe than sorry imo.

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw. But as another poster detailed they did not declare that 'Sweden's model is the way to go". Sweden is having it's own difficulties managing the outbreak and evidently they are still struggling.

Numbers of those infected is still too high? Are you getting this from BBC? BBC are reporting following, emphasis on MAY BE

"
Germany cases 'may be 10 times higher' than official number

How will countries leave lockdown?

Italy death toll may be far higher, report suggests
"

Sweden are struggling? Their total deaths in Jan to April 2020 is 0.6% less than their total average deaths in this period in each of last 5 years...

skallywag

road_high wrote: »

More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"?...

You are legally required to always carry ID in many European countries, including Germany.

But do not let that get in the way of you comparing the current situation to the Nazis. I do not think you even understand how insulting this post is to some, nor do I think you genuinely even care.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

We pay Ryan Tubridy in the region of 500k for nauseating drivel. Ill happily allow Ivan 72k

gozunda

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Today is 4th of May, 7 weeks lockdown here.

I appreciate those countries acknowledge the virus isnt gone, but how is Ireland different? Have we not flattened the curve? Have we not reached the peak?

I guess the question is very simple, why are barbers scheduled to be out of work in Ireland for 5 months while in countries like Spain, Germany, Denmark, etc 2 months? There is something here that isnt right, you cant dismiss that... ? If you say we are being super protective and cautious I ll understand.

PS the consensus of health professionals globally? WHO came out last week and said Sweden's model is the way to go. January to April of this year they were saying Sweden are crazy. Please tell me what credibility do global health professionals have left?

I think you are ignoring the fact a national quarantine, in Italy was was declared on the 9 March which restricted the movement of the population except for necessity, work, and health circumstances, in response to the growing pandemic of COVID-19 in the country.

Similar restrictions didn't come in here until the 27th of March. People in Italy have experienced nearly eight weeks of stay at home restrictions.. We've had barely five weeks. The way some here are going on - you would think we'ed been under lockdown for six months.

I am not a medical expert but I do know that the relevant experts here believe that the numbers of those infected is still too high. The UK have made a similar statement. Have we reached our peak? I dont know but it is clear that the risk of a renewed outbreak remains a very real danger.

It is also clear that Italy, Spain and some other EU countries are ahead of us with regards to their restrictions on the movements of people. Imo it is perfectly reasonable that we do at least the same here before throwing caution to the wind.

Perhaps we are being super protective and cautious - but I dont think so - but better safe than sorry imo.

The WHO are not the only medical experts out there btw. But as another poster detailed they did not declare that 'Sweden's model is the way to go". Sweden is having it's own difficulties managing the outbreak and evidently they are still struggling.

lawrencesummers

I don’t like Ivan yeates, he’s to busy trying to be the alpha in every situation to extract a good interview from anyone. Some people like him, that’s their decisions.

But fair play to him, he bul****ted (Like every other politician) his way to a ministers post, packed it all in when he smelt money could be made off degenerate gamblers and when it couldn’t he skipped town and now lives a great life on a pension of 72k paid for by the ordinary people of the country.

easypazz

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Should have stayed in Wales crying into his pints.

What makes you think he was crying into his pints?

Living it up on the ministerial pension more like.

CruelSummer

hmmm wrote: »

We're barely out of the first wave of a pandemic where the original forecasts were that every country would see their hospitals and ICU overwhelmed.

We're still not out of the woods, and the pressure is on to relax the restrictions which have held the virus back. Many forecasters say there will be a second (and possibly further) waves over the rest of the year.

How much hospital and ICU space we will need will only become clear in hindsight. Right now I'd say most people are glad we have the spare capacity, and aren't going to argue about the cost. I'm sure the health service are trying to balance "normal" admissions versus trying to predict how many beds they need for Covid.

There's an air of unreality in this thread, as if the virus doesn't exist, or we would be happy to see it killing lots of people. We'll need to live with the virus and find ways to do things safely, not pretend it doesn't exist.

You have to look at the data, the original data was not correct, the death rates were grossly over-estimated as they just had case-fatality ratios to work off. There are many thousands of people walking around with the virus who are asymptomatic.
We've been asked to give up our entire way of life, live in a police state, destroy Ireland's thriving economy, ruin people's quality of life, and separate/distance family members from each other based on age...due to a virus who's death rate is 1%...other European countries who were severely affected are coming out of lockdown much faster than Ireland. Why is that?
As a voter, I want to know more about who is feeding information to NPHET, and why their actions are different to other EU countries, we as a people have that right.

NegativeCreep

lord quackinton wrote: »

This has been coming but the virus and the lockdown has escalated it
I regularly warn people trump is just mad enough to pull the trigger

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0504/1136374-pharma-trump-ireland-coronavirus-vaccine/

They will want access to eu through Ireland so will keep a presence but trump wants R and D back in the USA
American companies like Abbott and west pharma etc will come under serious pressure to invest back home
We lose any big pharma over next few years we are goosed

Time to open up now

Very little R&D takes place in pharma in Ireland anyway. We mostly manufacture and fill. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

SusieBlue

I called to my friends garden this afternoon (3.4km away from my house). I brought my own little deckchair, a packed lunch and some tea and we all sat 2m away from each other.
We all used hand sanitiser, didn’t touch each other and I took my rubbish away with me.
I even rang when I was outside so she could open the garden gate without me touching it, there was no human contact whatsoever.

This was my first time seeing anyone outside my household in just under 10 weeks. I thoroughly enjoyed it and fail to see how what I did is any more dangerous than going to the supermarket or a petrol station.
In fact I’d argue that it’s significantly less risky.

If you give most people a chance to be sensible and proactive they’ll take that opportunity with open arms, just for a taste of what life was like before all of this.
I’m sure someone will be along shortly to tell me I’m an evil granny killer or whatever but I don’t regret what I did, and I’ll be doing it again next weekend.

I saw many others doing the same today, both on social media and in real life.
People are making their own minds up about the risks and dangers, compliance is slipping by the minute and it’s not one bit surprising when you see how conservative & devastating our roadmap to easing restrictions is.

easypazz

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well we have handed complete unquestionable control to -a Dr who covered up a health scandal and refused to answer questions on it, a minister who doesnt know what the 19 in Covid 19 means and they refuse transparency from the NPHET meetings.
I think Ivan is free to ask a few questions

And a Taoiseach who came third in a beauty contest.

And a cabinet including a few ministers who were voted off in the GE.

lord quackinton

This has been coming but the virus and the lockdown has escalated it
I regularly warn people trump is just mad enough to pull the trigger

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0504/1136374-pharma-trump-ireland-coronavirus-vaccine/

They will want access to eu through Ireland so will keep a presence but trump wants R and D back in the USA
American companies like Abbott and west pharma etc will come under serious pressure to invest back home
We lose any big pharma over next few years we are goosed

Time to open up now

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your issue isn’t with him, it’s with the way he is operating?

As he has been in his position for some time it’s fair to say that his superiors are happy with his qualifications, experience and approach.

So is your problem with his boss then?

You have lost me, who do you think I have an issue with?

Ginger n Lemon

Breezin wrote: »

Michael Levitt, Stanford Prof. of Biophysics, Cambridge PhD and DSc, 2013 Chemistry Nobel Laureate (complex system), FRS and US National Academy member: The excess burden of death from coronavirus COVID-19 is closer to a month than to a year

I brought this professor to the attention of this thread today, but he was dismissed as he didnt have medical PHD. I facepalmed.

On a more serious note, looking at his quote as well, just look at these dishonest, fear mongering news updates being reported by BBC today. This is a disgrace.

"
Germany cases 'may be 10 times higher' than official number

How will countries leave lockdown?

Italy death toll may be far higher, report suggests
"

Disgusting. Disgusting news reporting. Reminds me of "Man utd are linked to this player. Man utd are linked to that player. Man utd end up extending Mata's contract and not buying anyone".

FintanMcluskey

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Agreed. A guy who argues for the sake of it.

Should have stayed in Wales crying into his pints.

Its called investigate journalism. Its good for democracy. You wont find it easily anymore

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ive chosen to listen to Ivan Yates ask questions that deserve answers.
It doesn't matter who is control, they must be transparent with the decisions to become the most restrictive nation in Europe in spite of very low ICU stats

So your issue isn’t with him, it’s with the way he is operating?

As he has been in his position for some time it’s fair to say that his superiors are happy with his qualifications, experience and approach.

So is your problem with his boss then?

Tell me how

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Failed politician, failed business man, and failed broadcaster. Why do we want him back?

Might want to touch base with reality there Speakerboxx.

ChelseaRentBoy

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Failed politician, failed business man, and failed broadcaster. Why do we want him back?

Agreed. A guy who argues for the sake of it.

Should have stayed in Wales crying into his pints.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Grave concern for our economic future is not to be dismissed as "bitching and moaning". It's the height of common sense. Expect to see more get onto this page too as the economic damage becomes all too apparent.
Speaking as someone still on full salary and working and likely to continue as such. BTW I'm a FG voter and highly critical of his handling- there is much dissent in FG bot not very vocal for fear of being labelled "OAP Murderers" by the rabid social media mobs.

Get your finger out and do something constructive rather than compare Ireland to Nazi Germany on Boards.

[Deleted User]

Allinall wrote: »

How was he a failed politician?

Or a failed broadcaster? He’s on at peak time ffs!

ChelseaRentBoy

road_high wrote: »

More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"? Never imagined we'd have anything remotely similar in Ireland 2020 for such a prolonged period.

Yeah the similarities between this and third reich are clear for all to see

:pac:

Allinall

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Failed politician, failed business man, and failed broadcaster. Why do we want him back?

How was he a failed politician?

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

Oh FFS! Bitch and moan that the government have shut the place down...and then bitch and moan because people took it upon themselves to shut down. Who are you going to get angry at next? Have you lobbied your TD? Have you contacted your local councillor? ...or are you just bitching and moaning on Boards? How's Leo going to know how strongly you feel about it from posts on Boards?

Grave concern for our economic future is not to be dismissed as "bitching and moaning". It's the height of common sense. Expect to see more get onto this page too as the economic damage becomes all too apparent.
Speaking as someone still on full salary and working and likely to continue as such. BTW I'm a FG voter and highly critical of his handling- there is much dissent in FG bot not very vocal for fear of being labelled "OAP Murderers" by the rabid social media mobs.

FintanMcluskey

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ofcourse we need to protect them. We failed protecting 1300 people already.

Did we though?

Can we say with any confidence all of those people would be alive today if Covid didnt exist?

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Who would you have chosen instead?

Ive chosen to listen to Ivan Yates ask questions that deserve answers.
It doesn't matter who is control, they must be transparent with the decisions to become the most restrictive nation in Europe in spite of very low ICU stats

ChikiChiki

road_high wrote: »

More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"? Never imagined we'd have anything remotely similar in Ireland 2020 for such a prolonged period.

Jesus go for a walk will you. Posts stick out as very OTT.

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well we have handed complete unquestionable control to -a Dr who covered up a health scandal and refused to answer questions on it, a minister who doesnt know what the 19 in Covid 19 means and they refuse transparency from the NPHET meetings.
I think Ivan is free to ask a few questions

Who would you have chosen instead?

[Deleted User]

Discodog wrote: »

People are so short sighted. Many think they are being given money & don't realise that it has to be paid back. The HSE will still be a disaster, we will still be building the most expensive children's hospital on Earth & the homeless still won't have anywhere to live.

THis is what makes me laugh (and cry).

Some smug posters from the South West (is all I will say) last week, saying they were loving their €700 a week between them, no expenses at all apart from food and a very small mortgage, the only decisions every day were what to watch on Netflix, what book to read and what beer to drink! They were "living the life" in Coronavirus times, the rest of us should just "suck it up and stop whinging and moaning about the economy". I kid you not, this is what they said :mad::mad:

Mark my words, these very same people will be the first to complain when taxes shoot up in the October budget, swinging cuts in all welfare payments, huge increases in USC , Road tax, levies of all sorts....

Very few people here seem to have a clue about simple ecomonics. NONE of this is free, this is a like a loan that will need to be repaid! Those very people sitting in the sun drinking their beers and reading their books will be the first to be crying come the next budget.