How will schools be able to go back in September?

Multipass

khalessi wrote: »

He is adult at 18 but there is respect for parents and house rules that children show take heed of and as a responsible 19 year old adult I would expect him to pay heed to social distancing etc thinking of others in the house, You lead by example. But then it is a different world, respect and manners are out of fashion.

Yes lead with stoicism and common sense. Unfortunately our government seem to have neither. Hysteria and knee jerk reaction rule

khalessi

Multipass wrote: »

Yes lead with stoicism and common sense. Unfortunately our government seem to have neither. Hysteria and knee jerk reaction rule

Well he is your son

frillyleaf

Multipass wrote: »

And another thing - fears for their safety? By August I guarantee you that teenagers will be socializing, and meeting up in large groups. In fact I’d be surprised if parties don’t start up again by June. And the leaving cert will be gone for absolutely no reason.

I’m starting to wonder will schools actually be back to normal in September at all. If 1/6 of the student population in secondary school can’t be social distanced for an exam, on fixed desks how will schools manage with lunch breaks, class change overs etc when it comes to September(Which will only be four weeks after the leaving cert start date.)

This isn’t taking into account primary schools even.
I feel that secondary schools may have to stagger student numbers and times. In my own area there are schools that are still in temporary buildings for years as the permanent building never started. They are quite small compared to larger school buildings.


Or maybe they are cancelling it on compassionate grounds as opposed to the need for social distancing?

Benimar

frillyleaf wrote: »

I’m starting to wonder will schools actually be back to normal in September at all. If 1/6 of the student population in secondary school can’t be social distanced for an exam, on fixed desks how will schools manage with lunch breaks, class change overs etc when it comes to September(Which will only be four weeks after the leaving cert start date.)

This isn’t taking into account primary schools even.
I feel that secondary schools may have to stagger student numbers and times. In my own area there are schools that are still in temporary buildings for years as the permanent building never started. They are quite small compared to larger school buildings.


Or maybe they are cancelling it on compassionate grounds as opposed to the need for social distancing?

I agree, there is only two possible reasons for this. If it’s on social distancing grounds, then there is no chance Primary Schools will open as normal in late August.

If it’s on compassionate grounds, well that’s just a load of BS to be honest.

GazzaL

How about they let the children who want to go to school, or whose parents want them to go to school, to go to school? Those who don't want to go can be set free in the woods to raise themselves.

Multipass

Benimar wrote: »

I agree, there is only two possible reasons for this. If it’s on social distancing grounds, then there is no chance Primary Schools will open as normal in late August.

If it’s on compassionate grounds, well that’s just a load of BS to be honest.

Compassionate to who, my son is in terrible despair. The only ones happy about this are the ones who haven’t been working.

khalessi

Multipass wrote: »

Compassionate to who, my son is in terrible despair. The only ones happy about this are the ones who haven’t been working.

I presume you mean the unemployed, dont know how they are effected

ldy4mxonucwsq6

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If there are plans to bring back schools in September I think they should start by allowing 2-3 kids play together first. That way they can maybe judge if its spreading faster if kids play and interact

They will be from the 18th of this month, groups of four or less allowed meet up outdoors.

At least it's a start, after over 2 months of not being with anyone other than their family groups it will be very welcome for them to socialise with their friends.

Missing months of school (that's if they do even open in September) is going to have a huge knock on effect for the students.

arctictree

Why don't the teachers take May/June off and then back to work in July/August? Would make sense as it would match the easing of restrictions..

khalessi

arctictree wrote: »

Why don't the teachers take May/June off and then back to work in July/August? Would make sense as it would match the easing of restrictions..

Teachers come back to work already in August, have done for years. They are working at the moment so and trying to maintain normality for their students given the situation we have. Fecking around with their timetable will only make matters worse not better.

iamwhoiam

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

They will be from the 18th of this month, groups of four or less allowed meet up outdoors.

At least it's a start, after over 2 months of not being with anyone other than their family groups it will be very welcome for them to socialise with their friends.

Missing months of school (that's if they do even open in September) is going to have a huge knock on effect for the students.

It will be lovely for us all . I meant small kids actually playing together rather than at 2 metres , I think they need that first before back to school .

daheff

frillyleaf wrote: »

I’m starting to wonder will schools actually be back to normal in September at all. If 1/6 of the student population in secondary school can’t be social distanced for an exam,

They are though. its not like they are sitting at the same desk doing the exam.

History Queen

arctictree wrote: »

Why don't the teachers take May/June off and then back to work in July/August? Would make sense as it would match the easing of restrictions..

They're apparently cancelling the leaving certificate (due to begin on 29th july)... hard yo see how schools are safe to open but an exam for one year group can't go ahead?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

History Queen wrote: »

They're apparently cancelling the leaving certificate (due to begin on 29th july)... hard yo see how schools are safe to open but an exam for one year group can't go ahead?

Schools and colleges are open back up for staff in just over 10 days time so hopefully once they get in there we might see some plans for what September will look like.

Poor LC students, not a good situation.

iamwhoiam

History Queen wrote: »

They're apparently cancelling the leaving certificate (due to begin on 29th july)... hard yo see how schools are safe to open but an exam for one year group can't go ahead?

That is so sad . Poor students and poor teachers

r93kaey5p2izun

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Schools and colleges are open back up for staff in just over 10 days time so hopefully once they get in there we might see some plans for what September will look like.

Poor LC students, not a good situation.

To be clear, they reopen for access if necessary. Teachers must WFH where possible like all other workers not on the essential workers list.

Murple

It is specified that schools may open from the 18th ‘for the organisation and distribution of remote learning’. It’s not for staff meetings or any other tasks.

timmy_mallet

khalessi wrote: »

, But then it is a different world, respect and manners are out of fashion.

Said every older generation in the history of mankind.

khalessi

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Said every older generation in the history of mankind.

Not wrong though.

timmy_mallet

khalessi wrote: »

Not wrong though.

Well it is utterly and completely wrong.

khalessi

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Well it is utterly and completely wrong.

Really !!! Im not that old and people rarely get up off seats for older people or pregnant women. I regularly see young people and teenagers throw rubbish on the ground and if you say anything you are cursed at.

Maybe how i was brought up with manners and to be considerate of others is wrong but the point stands that in a pandemic a leaving cert student should be aware of the dangers of not social distancing and be respectful enough and considerate of the possible effects on their families to not be socialising and partying over the summer. If you consider them an adult they should act like one.

Dravokivich

Multipass wrote: »

Really, my son sitting the leaving cert is 19 - an adult, so I’m not interested in telling him no. Nor would I because I don’t believe it is necessary. Social distancing will be over by August, people are not going to live in fear for that long. As far as I can see when I’m out, it’s practically over already, and a good thing too.

I wouldn't let a trivial thing such as age get in the way of me saying no to anybody.

Lillyfae

Murple wrote: »

It is specified that schools may open from the 18th ‘for the organisation and distribution of remote learning’. It’s not for staff meetings or any other tasks.

Couldn't they have arranged that almost 2 months ago?

For the teachers on here doing the very best for their students against the odds, I applaud you.

For those coming up with excuses such as "GDPR" or "1 toilet and sink for a school of 700" or "it's not safe, we'll all be infected with the pox in a week (no medical/ epidemiological knowledge)", obviously there will be no repercussions. But it's very clear that if it was an issue for you then your Union would be rallied to bombard the DoE until a solution was found.

BoatMad

Lillyfae wrote: »

Couldn't they have arranged that almost 2 months ago?

For the teachers on here doing the very best for their students against the odds, I applaud you.

For those coming up with excuses such as "GDPR" or "1 toilet and sink for a school of 700" or "it's not safe, we'll all be infected with the pox in a week (no medical/ epidemiological knowledge)", obviously there will be no repercussions. But it's very clear that if it was an issue for you then your Union would be rallied to bombard the DoE until a solution was found.

No it couldn’t as , at that time, the “ model “ suggested we’d have 50,000 dead and teachers and staff were ordered out of schools , the fear mongers reap what they sow

Lillyfae

BoatMad wrote: »

No it couldn’t as , at that time, the “ model “ suggested we’d have 50,000 dead and teachers and staff were ordered out of schools , the fear mongers reap what they sow

Pure rubbish. One or 2 IT specialists in a huge building, or remotely, working on a solution would have had no bearing whatsoever on fear, or reality, or numbers. That is what was essential. It's still essential.

History Queen

Lillyfae wrote: »

Pure rubbish. One or 2 IT specialists in a huge building, or remotely, working on a solution would have had no bearing whatsoever on fear, or reality, or numbers. That is what was essential. It's still essential.

So teachers should ignore public health advice and protocols? Great I'll just go tell everyone the Leaving Cert is back on and to be at their desks Monday. Lilyfae has decreed it so

BoatMad

Lillyfae wrote: »

Pure rubbish. One or 2 IT specialists in a huge building, or remotely, working on a solution would have had no bearing whatsoever on fear, or reality, or numbers. That is what was essential. It's still essential.

most schools dont have IT specialists , most teachers have had little training in remote working , document retrieval etc , most schools do not have IT system set for safe access to primary documentation and many teachers have cabinets full of paper records

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Couldn't they have arranged that almost 2 months ago?

For the teachers on here doing the very best for their students against the odds, I applaud you.

For those coming up with excuses such as "GDPR" or "1 toilet and sink for a school of 700" or "it's not safe, we'll all be infected with the pox in a week (no medical/ epidemiological knowledge)", obviously there will be no repercussions. But it's very clear that if it was an issue for you then your Union would be rallied to bombard the DoE until a solution was found.

Clearly you don't understand how a school works but sure why let that interfer with your rant. Do you feel better? Would you like a cup of tea?

Oh by the way, teachers come from a variety of backgrounds these days, previous career etc, so a lot of them would have medical or epidemiological knowledge. And sure if we dont know we can always come to boards as there are a lot of people here who love to tell us how to do our job with very little knowledge of it.

Lillyfae

Come off it. Teachers commenting on the public health advice with their own public health advice is what I'm referring to. It's clear how schools work (or don't work) in this case, but why not rally the INTO and ASTI to get on to the DoE about substandard practices, infrastructure etc etc, rather than saying "That's not my place"??

For teachers you're all very good at missing the point. And again, paraphrasing badly seems to be higher priority than addressing my suggestions.

BoatMad

but why not rally the INTO and ASTI to get on to the DoE about substandard practices, infrastructure etc etc, rather than saying "That's not my place"??

err, they give out about it constantly