How will schools be able to go back in September?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

The professor that discovered Ebola and spent 40 years studying and fighting it.

Again can I ask you for your credentials?

I'm guessing Parent who is sick of their kids so they are lashing out at everyone to justify being a poor parent?

I'm guessing that most people, given the choice, would rather be infected with coronavirus than ebola.

FeirmeoirtTed

trapp wrote: »

If you want to stay at home in your hazmat suit because you believe it is too dangerous that is fine.

We understand your fear but as I keep asking why do you insist that everyone else must stay at home too?

Vulnerable children? Just curious but in what way are they vulnerable as this disease is very mild for almost all children?

Even so, why should the right to go to school be taken away from the other 33 because two are vulnerable?

Is that how it works in your school generally?

'Ok kids Alex has a sore leg today and can't do sport day so nobody else is allowed either'

And again why the comparisons to a covid ward?

From the part I highlighted you seem to think a covid ward is safer than a classroom.

As with the other poster I don't think you are representative of teachers at all.

If you want to hide in your house for the next few years that is your choice but perhaps it is time to stop insisting everyone else does too.

And if you don't want to work, take reduced pay.

Teachers deserve their pay but teachers who want to teach, not teachers who seem to currently be looking for every objection possible to returning to work.

I'm sorry I thought I was having a discussion with a reasonable person, My bad! Are you 12 or something? Are the kids driving you that mad at home? Massive chip on your shoulder there, you didn't really answer any questions though just the usual nonsense about wages holidays and pay. I'd love to know your plan for September for all schools? You seem like a real expert. How are they vulnerable have a look at the list of vulnerable diseases and pick one of them that's what they have CF, Diabetes, Heart defect...etc. You made the comparison to a covid ward remember. Did I say I wanted to hide in my house or wouldnt go back to work? Can you read? I've a few comprehension exercises I can send on to ya its a recorded video for 3rd class be right up your alley I'd say,

FeirmeoirtTed

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

But what if and what about and some excuse and maybe this and what if and vulnerable people and risk this and another excuse and say prayers and light candles.

Seriously, we're lifting restrictions and schools are reopening, everyone will have to deal with that but it's happening whether some people like it or not.

Surprise, there is virtually no community transmission right now. We've been told this already, known clusters are responsible for cases being reported at this point.

Great plan ring Joe Duffy monday he will be delighted to pass it on to the powers that be.

sideswipe

This is quickly becoming the most toxic thread on the coronavirus forum which is some going....people disagreeing with points and instead of reasoned debates calling them lazy/bad parents and throwing around personal insults. The above 2 posts are prime examples.....I'm out.

FishOnABike

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm guessing that most people, given the choice, would rather be infected with coronavirus than ebola.

The point is that CoViD-19 spreads far more easily than Ebola.

Ebola is spread by direct contact with body fluids. CoViD-19 is spread by respiratory droplets. Ebola debilitates and kills its host very quickly. CoViD-19 has a large asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cohort who can spread it very widely without even realising.

As an individual I'd far prefer to catch CoViD-19 than Ebola but at population level CoViD-19 is far more problematic to contain and ultimately can go on to kill far more people even though it's case fatality rare is far less.

Any Ebola outbreaks have been geographically contained and effectively kill themselves off, precisely because of it is very quickly severely debilitating and its high CFR.

CoViD-19 has spread around the world and has killed more people in the last six months than Ebola has. In almost two years Ebola killed approx 11,300 people. In a few months CoViD-19 has killed over 360,000 people.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

FishOnABike wrote: »

The point is that CoViD-19 spreads far more easily than Ebola.

Ebola is spread by direct contact with body fluids. CoViD-19 is spread by respiratory droplets. Ebola debilitates and kills its host very quickly. CoViD-19 has a large asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cohort who can spread it very widely without even realising.

As an individual I'd far prefer to catch CoViD-19 than Ebola but at population level CoViD-19 is far more problematic to contain and ultimately can go on to kill far more people even though it's case fatality rare is far less.

Any Ebola outbreaks have been geographically contained and effectively kill themselves off, precisely because of it is very quickly severely debilitating and its high CFR.

CoViD-19 has spread around the world and has killed more people in the last six months than Ebola has. In almost two years Ebola killed approx 11,300 people. In a few months CoViD-19 has killed over 360,000 people.

Exactly and in his own words Peter Piot "I’m glad I had corona and not Ebola".

ldy4mxonucwsq6

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

Great plan ring Joe Duffy monday he will be delighted to pass it on to the powers that be.

He'll likely be busy with all the Karen's who think they are even more entitled now to tell people what they can and can't do.

PowerToWait

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

He'll likely be busy with all the Karen's who think they are even more entitled now to tell people what they can and can't do.

My God, the irony is flabbergasting.

trapp

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

I'm sorry I thought I was having a discussion with a reasonable person, My bad! Are you 12 or something? Are the kids driving you that mad at home? Massive chip on your shoulder there, you didn't really answer any questions though just the usual nonsense about wages holidays and pay. I'd love to know your plan for September for all schools? You seem like a real expert. How are they vulnerable have a look at the list of vulnerable diseases and pick one of them that's what they have CF, Diabetes, Heart defect...etc. You made the comparison to a covid ward remember. Did I say I wanted to hide in my house or wouldnt go back to work? Can you read? I've a few comprehension exercises I can send on to ya its a recorded video for 3rd class be right up your alley I'd say,

Ok then reasonable question.

Do you think your school should close to all children because two of them are vulnerable?

Or should the two vulnerable children be taught remotely and brought in when possible while the rest avail of their right to education and to attend school?

This isn't an ideal world we're living in but surely we should attempt to allow as many children to attend school as often as possible.

Holding every one else back because of a minority of vulnerable children and teachers isn't fair.

In any other sector of employment if a staff member felt they couldn't return to work due to concerns about covid, do you think the whole workplace would remain closed?

Why should it be different for teachers?

I'm not dismissing your concerns but the idea you and other teachers seem to push is that no one else can go in either just because you don't feel safe.

It seems slightly selfish to me.

Anyone who wants schools to return is happy for the return to be optional.

Anyone who wants schools to remain closed, insists on everyone else hiding at home too.

Bizzare and selfish logic.

Scruff101

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

I'm sorry I thought I was having a discussion with a reasonable person, My bad! Are you 12 or something? Are the kids driving you that mad at home? Massive chip on your shoulder there, you didn't really answer any questions though just the usual nonsense about wages holidays and pay. I'd love to know your plan for September for all schools? You seem like a real expert. How are they vulnerable have a look at the list of vulnerable diseases and pick one of them that's what they have CF, Diabetes, Heart defect...etc. You made the comparison to a covid ward remember. Did I say I wanted to hide in my house or wouldnt go back to work? Can you read? I've a few comprehension exercises I can send on to ya its a recorded video for 3rd class be right up your alley I'd say,

These type of responses genuinely make me worry about the type of people teaching our kids. God love any child or parent who challenges you.

Scruff101

sideswipe wrote: »

This is quickly becoming the most toxic thread on the coronavirus forum which is some going....people disagreeing with points and instead of reasoned debates calling them lazy/bad parents and throwing around personal insults. The above 2 posts are prime examples.....I'm out.

Absolutely agree.

trapp

Scruff101 wrote: »

These type of responses genuinely make me worry about the type of people teaching our kids. God love any child or parent who challenges you.

He wants to remain on full pay but wont return to work!!!!!

Thankfully not representative of all teachers.

The vast majority I expect would do as much as possible for as many children to return as often as possible.

Unfortunately those who shout loudest get heard the most.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Scruff101 wrote: »

These type of responses genuinely make me worry about the type of people teaching our kids. God love any child or parent who challenges you.

A lot of this thread would make you worry about what those kids have to contend with. Thankfully I don't think this thread is representative of most teachers.

Scruff101

trapp wrote: »

He wants to remain on full pay but wont return to work!!!!!

Thankfully not representative of all teachers.

The vast majority I expect would do as much as possible for as many children to return as often as possible.

Unfortunately those who shout loudest get heard the most.

Some of the responses from teachers on this thread have astounded me to be honest.
I've voiced my own and others experience of some schools since March which hasn't been positive while also acknowledged other schools are doing great work. I've been dismissed and told it's up to me to run after teachers while at the same time being given this ridiculous impression that all teachers are working full hours so I'm basically in the wrong. I'd have thought teachers would be more understanding and take on board frustrations, even accept that some teachers are doing sfa but no chance.
Then seeing responses like the ones above make me wonder what God complex they've developed in teaching that makes them right and everyone elses experience and opinion invalid. I give up.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Scruff101 wrote: »

Some of the responses from teachers on this thread have astounded me to be honest.
I've voiced my own and others experience of some schools since March which hasn't been positive while also acknowledged other schools are doing great work. I've been dismissed and told it's up to me to run after teachers while at the same time being given this ridiculous impression that all teachers are working full hours so I'm basically in the wrong. I'd have thought teachers would be more understanding and take on board frustrations, even accept that some teachers are doing sfa but no chance.
Then seeing responses like the ones above make me wonder what God complex they've developed in teaching that makes them right and everyone elses experience and opinion invalid. I give up.

It's been eye opening for sure!

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm guessing that most people, given the choice, would rather be infected with coronavirus than ebola.

Wooosh.

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

A lot of this thread would make you worry about what those kids have to contend with

Absolutely, if parents cannot follow pretty simple public health advice during a global pandemic, I do feel sorry for the children but ultimately I feel more sorry for the vulnerable and health care workers who will bear the brunt of it.

Fortunately I think this is not representative of the majority of parents.

s1ippy

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

He'll likely be busy with all the Karen's who think they are even more entitled now to tell people what they can and can't do.

I'm actually ded

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

Absolutely, if parents cannot follow pretty simple public health advice during a global pandemic, I do feel sorry for the children but ultimately I feel more sorry for the vulnerable and health care workers who will bear the brunt of it.

Fortunately I think this is not representative of the majority of parents.

What public health advice is that? Because I don't see any parents on this thread advocating flouting the rules.

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The same kids who are currently out playing in groups all day every day with each other now for the past couple of weeks.

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

What public health advice is that? Because I don't see any parents on this thread advocating flouting the rules.

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ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

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That's allowed now or have you not been keeping up, kids can play in groups of four outdoors since the 18th of May, suggest you go familiarise yourself with public health advice before accusing people of some imagined wrongdoing for following the same.

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

That's allowed now or have you not been keeping up, kids can play in groups of four outdoors since the 18th of May, suggest you go familiarise yourself with public health advice before accusing people of some imagined wrongdoing for following the same.

Really, I must have missed that memo.

Could you link to it?

I could only find this.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protecting-your-child.html

Protecting your child
The most important things you can do to protect your child are:

stay at home - this advice is for everyone

You and your children can go outside to exercise. But you should stay within 5 kilometres of your home.

You can meet other people outside as long as you are in a groups of no more than 4 people and keep at least 2 metres apart.

So where exactly does it say kids can play outside with each other unsupervised all day every day?

I'll give you a hint, it doesn't.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

But what if and what about and some excuse and maybe this and what if and vulnerable people and risk this and another excuse and say prayers and light candles.

Seriously, we're lifting restrictions and schools are reopening, everyone will have to deal with that but it's happening whether some people like it or not.

Surprise, there is virtually no community transmission right now. We've been told this already, known clusters are responsible for cases being reported at this point.

Can you explain your plan for reopening schools please so we can fully understand your proposal?

FeirmeoirtTed

Scruff101 wrote: »

These type of responses genuinely make me worry about the type of people teaching our kids. God love any child or parent who challenges you.

I'm sorry that my response has upset your delicate nature. You need not worry about the children they are in great care. Let me remind you this post

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

You both seem to think that the coronavirus was some hoax perpetrated by the teachers unions who are representative of the most self entitled/ lazy shower to walk Gods green earth.
We have now reached a situation where its grand everything is normal and we can return to school as normal no protective measures are needed and teachers need to get on with things after all its not a "covid ward you are teaching on". 2 weeks ago the leaving cert was cancelled because of pressure from parents saying the children were not safe and were stressed yet teachers who question the safety of their school environment are whingeing lazy childish self entitled and hysterical.
Its not a covid ward for sure - in a covid ward doctors work in a sterile enviornment with running hot water and the best PPE the state can provide. My class has 34 pupils in a room which has not enough space for 8 if social distancing rules are applied. If one child gets covid is it possible it will spread to their classmates? their siblings in the school and their classmates? the teachers who spend 5 hours with them everyday? Would that have a knock on affect on their parents and grandparents? There are over 250 pupils in our school? The children share toilets with 1 other class thats 60 children altogether using the facilities. There is no running hot water in the toilets. The corridors in the school are long and narrow under current guidelines children would not be able to pass each other in those corridors.What about the 2 vulnerable children in my class should they come back in September? The department of education has given absolutely no guidance on how schools should reopen other than to say they are reopening and guidance will be given in 2 weeks. To question all of this is not hysteria. I have a wife and children. I have parents who are classified as vulnerable. Do I want them to expose them to a life threatening disease given the environment I work in is on my viewing high risk and I could potentially carry it back to them? No i don't. Schools shut down in March for a reason, would we be in a better position today if they hadn't shut down?
With all of that said do I want to go back to school? Absolutely I'd go back before the end of June if I could and have our school tour and sports day and enjoy what is the most enjoyable month to teach for me when the bulk of the work is done the sun is shining and the kids have no homework. I'd love to start school as normal in September and just forget this whole thing happened.
I could be very flippant and say that some on here are sick of having their kids under their feet all day but I have empathy I can see the difficulties with trying to work from home and mind young children especially. Burying your head in the sand and pretending it'll be grand though is no plan. Sending them back because we all need to work isn't either so how does it work we aren't Denmark we don't have the infrastructure or the teachers to do what they are doing on a phased basis? We could just hope it dies out there is zero community transmission and all will be well in September I'd be surprised if there is not a few candles lighting and novenas being said in the department of education that that's going to happen lets hope it does but what if it doesn't?

Was met with this

trapp wrote: »

If you want to stay at home in your hazmat suit because you believe it is too dangerous that is fine.

We understand your fear but as I keep asking why do you insist that everyone else must stay at home too?

Vulnerable children? Just curious but in what way are they vulnerable as this disease is very mild for almost all children?

Even so, why should the right to go to school be taken away from the other 33 because two are vulnerable?

Is that how it works in your school generally?

'Ok kids Alex has a sore leg today and can't do sport day so nobody else is allowed either'

And again why the comparisons to a covid ward?

From the part I highlighted you seem to think a covid ward is safer than a classroom.

As with the other poster I don't think you are representative of teachers at all.

If you want to hide in your house for the next few years that is your choice but perhaps it is time to stop insisting everyone else does too.

And if you don't want to work, take reduced pay.

Teachers deserve their pay but teachers who want to teach, not teachers who seem to currently be looking for every objection possible to returning to work.

trapp wrote: »

The best he could come up with was what if the children have to pass each other in the corridor!!!

All scaremongering nonsense.

I tried to be reasonable and debate did not suit the narrative here.
Its funny this is coming from the same thread where one poster has said they would send their kids back to school whether it was safe to do so or not and that post has been thanked by some very vocal posters here. Anyways look boards is really not reflective of the real world in my opinion. I have had many parents raise the concerns I have raised in my original post because they are aware of our school setup. Its much easier to deride teachers as lazy unionised, useless, argumentative, and win an argument with god help the children in your class nonsense. In the real world every single one of those issues I raised are up for debate and I like all my collegues in school cant wait to get back to school in September when we have plan better than "everyone will have to deal with it". You might find this hard to believe but I enjoy teaching and when I see posters taking pot shots there is this urge to defend myself and my colleagues for some reason, and if that means lowering myself to childish nonsense arguments then no better buachaill. Resilience and standing up for yourself two important things to teach children would you not agree?

iamwhoiam

This thread is like 5th class playground !!!
She said , he said , it wasn’t me sir !!

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

Really, I must have missed that memo.

Could you link to it?

I could only find this.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protecting-your-child.html





So where exactly does it say kids can play outside with each other unsupervised all day every day?

I'll give you a hint, it doesn't.

Who said they were unsupervised? More imaginary narrative....

Go look at the phases for lifting restrictions, Phase 1 "Up to 4 people who don't live together can meet outdoors while keeping at least 2 metres apart".

It's very simple, nothing bewildering about it.

I'm surprised you didn't know this, the lifting of restrictions and detailed aspects of each phase have been well publicised for weeks you'd want to be living under a rock not to know. A quick look out your window should tell you as well if you don't read the news.

I'll even link the road map for you since you couldn't find it.

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/58bc8b-taoiseach-announces-roadmap-for-reopening-society-and-business-and-u/

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Who said they were unsupervised?

Jaysus there must be 36 hours in your day, as you have volunteered to the thread on numerous you are so busy coping with work, tending to cocoons, etc

How do you supervise your kids all day every day when they are outside?

You also manage to fit in several hours whinging about everyone else online too.

Super woman.

:pac:

No where in the restrictions does it say parents can throw their children out the front and let them have a free for all. Which is what happening isn't it?

FeirmeoirtTed

trapp wrote: »

Ok then reasonable question.

Do you think your school should close to all children because two of them are vulnerable?

Or should the two vulnerable children be taught remotely and brought in when possible while the rest avail of their right to education and to attend school?

This isn't an ideal world we're living in but surely we should attempt to allow as many children to attend school as often as possible.

Holding every one else back because of a minority of vulnerable children and teachers isn't fair.

In any other sector of employment if a staff member felt they couldn't return to work due to concerns about covid, do you think the whole workplace would remain closed?

Why should it be different for teachers?

I'm not dismissing your concerns but the idea you and other teachers seem to push is that no one else can go in either just because you don't feel safe.

It seems slightly selfish to me.

Anyone who wants schools to return is happy for the return to be optional.

Anyone who wants schools to remain closed, insists on everyone else hiding at home too.

Bizzare and selfish logic.

To answer your question no I absolutely don't think that. I think schools should open in September if they can at all if community spread is at an acceptably low level. I would go so far as to say if there are regions where there are very low numbers then those schools should all be open on a zoned basis. But they cant open the way they were open. Just like the shops have protective measures schools will have to have protective measures for staff and pupils and also indirectly for parents and grandparents. And those protective measures will have to be different because there is an increased risk when you lump 100s of children together in a building for 5 + hours a day. I don't understand how that couldn't be a higher risk given the layout of schools versus offices and the facilities available coupled with the fact that socially distancing is obviously much more difficult with young children. The minister announced there is not to be additional funding so what then is his plan?
The thing that riles me is this teachers versus parents bullsh*t. At the end of the Day I know that 99% of parents I meet are a pleasure to deal with and nothing but helpful and cooperative (we work together to help their child fulfil their potential) for some reason here that 1% with a massive chip on their shoulder is magnified massively here.
I'l go back to the original question I asked you Do you think if schools had not closed we would be in a better position today than in March?

trapp

FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »

To answer your question no I absolutely don't think that. I think schools should open in September if they can at all if community spread is at an acceptably low level. I would go so far as to say if there are regions where there are very low numbers then those schools should all be open on a zoned basis. But they cant open the way they were open. Just like the shops have protective measures schools will have to have protective measures for staff and pupils and also indirectly for parents and grandparents. And those protective measures will have to be different because there is an increased risk when you lump 100s of children together in a building for 5 + hours a day. I don't understand how that couldn't be a higher risk given the layout of schools versus offices and the facilities available coupled with the fact that socially distancing is obviously much more difficult with young children. The minister announced there is not to be additional funding so what then is his plan?
The thing that riles me is this teachers versus parents bullsh*t. At the end of the Day I know that 99% of parents I meet are a pleasure to deal with and nothing but helpful and cooperative (we work together to help their child fulfil their potential) for some reason here that 1% with a massive chip on their shoulder is magnified massively here.
I'l go back to the original question I asked you Do you think if schools had not closed we would be in a better position today than in March?

If you believe the part highlighted well then we agree.

100% correct to close schools in March.

But also, if safe, 100% necessary to reopen in September for as many children as possible.

6 months out of school is a long time.

Online learning is not real learning despite the great effort many teachers put into it.

What protective measures would you suggest?

Children will not be coming to school when sick and parents will have to be trusted on this.

Staggered lunch times, class groups not to mix, possibly reduced numbers in each class each day.

I'm not sure what else can be done.

No risk is not possible.

trapp

Boggles wrote: »

Really, I must have missed that memo.

Could you link to it?

I could only find this.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protecting-your-child.html





So where exactly does it say kids can play outside with each other unsupervised all day every day?


I'll give you a hint, it doesn't.

Whether it does or doesn't is not relevant.

The fact of the matter is that they are.

And quelle surprise my poor friend, cases of the virus are not flying out of control.