Run around tractor

Anniepower

looking for a run around tractor for small farm that would do just the basic jobs such as topping licking and one that could lift a round bale. It’s for my elderly uncles farm and the land could do with some tidying.

He has a parked up 135 which is a non runner for the past two years (he has gotten less and less mobile the last two years) and requires far too much work to get something out of it (no cab or roll bar, radiator needs reconditioning, block may be cracked etc)

Located in the west of Ireland so anything around there but open to options. Budget would be around 5K or that, wouldn’t be used anywhere other then the farm so road worthiness wouldn’t be a necessity

Bass Reeves

You will really have to just look around. If you are happy enough with a 2wd you should be able to source a fairly decent one of buying a 2wd. A Massey 5 series would be an option not really popular as they only have one door but a decent strong tractor. Any amount of Zetor's, international or fords.

If you went 3-4k more you would really have a massive choice but for what you want I can understand your budget

Lady Haywire

As above, if a 2WD suits, you're ok with that budget. Is the 135 going as trade in? I've only ever dealt with one tractor dealer & he's midlands (brogans) so not much use to you maybe.Never had hassle with zetor here, last one was here 22 yrs & only bought a new (2nd hand) one last year.

Donald Trump

Surely you'd know if the block was cracked. If you were getting rid of the 135, you'll get a good price for it. People pay (relatively) big money for those.

He might not want something too fancy, but maybe you might find a 240 or something like that? Again though, they go for relatively big money.
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mf-240/24530542
Am not saying anything about that one. I didn't really look at it, just did a search to show you ballpark prices

No roll bar is not good. Nothing to do with road regulations.

_Brian

€5k would do a massive amount of work on the 135 and you’d have a very handy tractor that you were confident was going to be reliable.

Bass Reeves

If you want to lift a round bale you need something in the 60ish HP minimum

_Brian

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you want to lift a round bale you need something in the 60ish HP minimum

That’s true.
Although I’ve seen 135’s work bakes with a set of front weights.

Anniepower

_Brian wrote: »

That’s true.
Although I’ve seen 135’s work bakes with a set of front weights.

Yah I did look into doing up the 135 but the uncle often has tried to move the round bales around with it before it just isn’t really safe or reliable for that option the front wheels would be up in the sky and I just had to tell him stop because it’s not safe albeit he was only trying to get the job done

Anniepower

I seen a guy called nephin tractors in mayo is selling an international 785XL 2wd on done deal and is willing to take MF tractors as part exchange - €3500 (apologies won’t let me link the url)

Anybody have any experience with these type of tractors? 75 HP and cab is in average condition you can see it is slightly rotten in places.

I am not in mayo but I would be willing to have a gawk at this if it was reliable and it worked in my favour with the 135 being traded in

hopeso

Anniepower wrote: »

I seen a guy called nephin tractors in mayo is selling an international 785XL 2wd on done deal and is willing to take MF tractors as part exchange - €3500 (apologies won’t let me link the url)

Anybody have any experience with these type of tractors? 75 HP and cab is in average condition you can see it is slightly rotten in places.

I am not in mayo but I would be willing to have a gawk at this if it was reliable and it worked in my favour with the 135 being traded in

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-785xl/24412873?campaign=6

It looks decent enough for the money he's asking....but at the same time, the price would have me wondering why it's so cheap...

Bass Reeves

There is a real problem in trying to find tractors in that sub 7K price bracket. A lot of them have been exported over the last 10 years. Below are about the few I could find. The case 1394 is about the pick of them but you will have to go to 6 or above to buy it. A year ago you would have picked up nice 20 year old 2wd for 10 K but they have disappeared as well



https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-1394/24279285
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-1394/24279285
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/zetor-and-ford-4610-/22839790
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/landini-8550/22831078

orm0nd

hopeso wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-785xl/24412873?campaign=6

It looks decent enough for the money he's asking....but at the same time, the price would have me wondering why it's so cheap...

looks like a heap of sh1te to me

roof leaks in those and the floor of the cab is covered in water

the cab rots from the inside out and that door is ready to fall off, pieces of the cab have rusted away and is sprayed over them I'd say that black on the bottom of the doors is a cover up. front grille is loose on the bottom.
hand brake failure is common and a costly fix.

having said that all the lights and cab glass are in tact ,& it may be mechanically sound and the interior is not too bad waht we can see,

it's not 75 hp either

Bass Reeves

Anniepower wrote: »

I seen a guy called nephin tractors in mayo is selling an international 785XL 2wd on done deal and is willing to take MF tractors as part exchange - €3500 (apologies won’t let me link the url)

Anybody have any experience with these type of tractors? 75 HP and cab is in average condition you can see it is slightly rotten in places.

I am not in mayo but I would be willing to have a gawk at this if it was reliable and it worked in my favour with the 135 being traded in

The lad selling the case 1394 looks like a lad that dose up tractors he may take the 135. If not fling it up on DD for 1-2K and see if you find a victim. However he is in Mayo as well. However you will need someone to check it out for you. But that is an issue with any tractor in that price bracket

Donald Trump

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you want to lift a round bale you need something in the 60ish HP minimum

I assumed from the description that he might need to move around the odd bale of hay or straw on the backend. Something a bit smaller than 60 would still manage that ok.

I'd say the 135 itself would have no bother with a buckrake and a bale of hay on the back.

Bale of silage might be a different matter.

Bass Reeves

Donald Trump wrote: »

I assumed from the description that he might need to move around the odd bale of hay or straw on the backend. Something a bit smaller than 60 would still manage that ok.

I'd say the 135 itself would have no bother with a buckrake and a bale of hay on the back.

Bale of silage might be a different matter.

AP posted the round bales were rising the front wheels of the 135. TBH any time someone says about lifting a round I presume it is silage

Donald Trump

Bass Reeves wrote: »

AP posted the round bales were rising the front wheels of the 135. TBH any time someone says about lifting a round I presume it is silage

I hadn't noticed that post. I see it now.

I had assumed hay because the tractor isn't running at the minute and he'd hardly be forking around silage. But that was probably incorrect

Iodine1

Often there's nothing cheap about small tractors as they are scarce IN GOOD Condition. Can't rely on hay nowadays so if buying, you need to buy with silage bales in mind. That means a minimum of 60hp as poster specified above and even then wet bales will test it. And there's plenty of choice in the 60 to 90 hp bracket but have to take care as a lot of rubbish around too. Any dealer will take a 135, but getting much for it is another story.

Jimbo789

Ford 4610

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-4610/24211796

Fiat 70-90

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1990-fiat-70-90-with-quicke-loader/24546567

Anniepower

Bass Reeves wrote: »

AP posted the round bales were rising the front wheels of the 135. TBH any time someone says about lifting a round I presume it is silage

Yah it would be silage bales our uncle had a very decent neighbor who would help him put a few bales in front of the bays whenever the uncle needed but he has since packed up and got out of farming.

Anniepower

Jimbo789 wrote: »

Ford 4610

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-4610/24211796

Fiat 70-90

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1990-fiat-70-90-with-quicke-loader/24546567

I like the look of the fiat 70-90 and they are a reliable tractor also with the option of the loader too a plus

Anniepower

Iodine1 wrote: »

Often there's nothing cheap about small tractors as they are scarce IN GOOD Condition. Can't rely on hay nowadays so if buying, you need to buy with silage bales in mind. That means a minimum of 60hp as poster specified above and even then wet bales will test it. And there's plenty of choice in the 60 to 90 hp bracket but have to take care as a lot of rubbish around too. Any dealer will take a 135, but getting much for it is another story.

I would say this machine would be worth a max of 1k in its current condition. Ideal for someone with time on there hands and knows what they are doing

Anniepower

orm0nd wrote: »

looks like a heap of sh1te to me

roof leaks in those and the floor of the cab is covered in water

the cab rots from the inside out and that door is ready to fall off, pieces of the cab have rusted away and is sprayed over them I'd say that black on the bottom of the doors is a cover up. front grille is loose on the bottom.
hand brake failure is common and a costly fix.

having said that all the lights and cab glass are in tact ,& it may be mechanically sound and the interior is not too bad waht we can see,

it's not 75 hp either

Cheers thanks for the honest assessment on this I had spotted it about 3 weeks ago and now it has been re advertised so maybe there’s a reason for that too

older by the day

Like everything in life you get what you pay for. A tractor parked in a shed every night will be not lose any money. They don't really devalue so you can sell again in future. Try and get an knowledgeable person to have a look around for you. The contractor who makes the bales maybe. Or a mechanic. There are a lot of lovely looking painted tractors on done deal but there worn out.

_Brian

Anniepower wrote: »

I seen a guy called nephin tractors in mayo is selling an international 785XL 2wd on done deal and is willing to take MF tractors as part exchange - €3500 (apologies won’t let me link the url)

Anybody have any experience with these type of tractors? 75 HP and cab is in average condition you can see it is slightly rotten in places.

I am not in mayo but I would be willing to have a gawk at this if it was reliable and it worked in my favour with the 135 being traded in

Cabs rot like hell on those. I can see one door is Swiss cheese already. The cab get really bad at the bottom in front of the doors. Ask for close up photos of that area before travelling. If I were buying one I’d like it to be in original paint sa as to see the condition. That’s been tarted up, perhaps to cover rust.

Suckler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A Massey 5 series would be an option not really popular as they only have one door but a decent strong tractor.

The only issue is the one door - It's been described to me as "One ignorant c0nt of a door". If it's for an elderly relative he might struggle with it....although he'll be doing well to find one where the cab can still hold the door. Other than that pretty bullet proof basic tractor, basically a slightly updated 100 series for the most part.

maidhc

A tidy Ford 4000/4600/4610 is within your budget there and will lift a bale of silage without any issue. They are wonderful tractors, rarely if ever suffer from the porous blocks and can do a great days work still.

Incidentally and slightly off topic a 7610 2wd with an AP cab is practically the same size as a 4600 with a Q cab. I bought a clean one last year with a loader for 8k.

mengele

Anniepower wrote: »

I like the look of the fiat 70-90 and they are a reliable tractor also with the option of the loader too a plus

That doesnt look too bad at all for the money. If i were you i would at least give that man a ring about it to see if it has any faults. If you didnt need the loader you could see it and get 1000/1500 for it. not much to go wrong in the fiats and parts are cheap enough generally. It has very low hours. The only thing putting me off is "sold as seen". Would be worth asking how much extra for a 3 month warrenty.

Limestone Cowboy

I've a tidy little Massey 240 here I was thinking about selling. Pretty much the same as a 135, everything working in it.

Base price

mengele wrote: »

That doesnt look too bad at all for the money. If i were you i would at least give that man a ring about it to see if it has any faults. If you didnt need the loader you could see it and get 1000/1500 for it. not much to go wrong in the fiats and parts are cheap enough generally. It has very low hours. The only thing putting me off is "sold as seen". Would be worth asking how much extra for a 3 month warrenty.

Pat Brogan will leave it safe if you ask him although there will be a cost. We found him very honest to deal with all be it was several years ago. He can deliver as well.

Stationmaster

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I've a tidy little Massey 240 here I was thinking about selling. Pretty much the same as a 135, everything working in it.

How is that with round bales?

Iodine1

A 135 with newer bodywork.

Limestone Cowboy

Stationmaster wrote: »

How is that with round bales?

It lifts mine no bother but it's dry tedded stuff. I bought it off a neighbour a few months ago but I don't have much use for it to be honest. There's a removable frame on the front of it to carry extra weight. I'll get a few pics there in a while.

CloughCasey1

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It lifts mine no bother but it's dry tedded stuff. I bought it off a neighbour a few months ago but I don't have much use for it to be honest. There's a removable frame on the front of it to carry extra weight. I'll get a few pics there in a while.

Welcome to LCs boards auction house!! New Corona inspired business venture for ya there.

J.O. Farmer

Base price wrote: »

Pat Brogan will leave it safe if you ask him although there will be a cost. We found him very honest to deal with all be it was several years ago. He can deliver as well.

He's still the same. Sold as seen most likely means he's taken it in as a trade in and done nothing with it.

blue5000

A wet summer and fusion bales will test any runabout tractor. Don't skimp on it and try get something with 80 hp and a decent lift.

mayo_lad

Anniepower wrote: »

Cheers thanks for the honest assessment on this I had spotted it about 3 weeks ago and now it has been re advertised so maybe there’s a reason for that too

There is A nice small Case 386 For sale in mayo

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-386-grass-tyres-price-drop-must-go/23998113

On Grass tyres i know but it looks like a nice small unit for use on a small Farm

maidhc

blue5000 wrote: »

A wet summer and fusion bales will test any runabout tractor. Don't skimp on it and try get something with 80 hp and a decent lift.

Absolutely. I had a 3600 before, which would be about 50hp, and it was downright useless.

I sold it after filling a carry all with stones, and it wouldn't lift it. It was a miserable tractor. The difference between the 3600 and the 4600 is probably greater than then difference between a 4600 and my TS115!

I'd love a 135 to run a finishing mower or something, but that is all they are fit for in this day and age.

Bass Reeves

mengele wrote: »

That doesnt look too bad at all for the money. If i were you i would at least give that man a ring about it to see if it has any faults. If you didnt need the loader you could see it and get 1000/1500 for it. not much to go wrong in the fiats and parts are cheap enough generally. It has very low hours. The only thing putting me off is "sold as seen". Would be worth asking how much extra for a 3 month warrenty.

IMO it dose not look like a sub 5k hour tractor. As well if I remember the 90 series Fiat were a running hour clock rather than a works hour clock . I MO if it was a sub5k hours it would be cleaner. Is that the Brogan lad that is up near Aughrim. I brought a tractor off him about two years ago and agree he is very straight.

emaherx

maidhc wrote: »

Absolutely. I had a 3600 before, which would be about 50hp, and it was downright useless.

I sold it after filling a carry all with stones, and it wouldn't lift it. It was a miserable tractor. The difference between the 3600 and the 4600 is probably greater than then difference between a 4600 and my TS115!

I'd love a 135 to run a finishing mower or something, but that is all they are fit for in this day and age.

Haybob and finishing mower is pretty much all my 135 does now and occasionally drives the old cement mixer. Takes less fuel to mow the lawn too compared to the ride-on mower.

Donald Trump

maidhc wrote: »

Absolutely. I had a 3600 before, which would be about 50hp, and it was downright useless.

I sold it after filling a carry all with stones, and it wouldn't lift it. It was a miserable tractor. The difference between the 3600 and the 4600 is probably greater than then difference between a 4600 and my TS115!

I'd love a 135 to run a finishing mower or something, but that is all they are fit for in this day and age.

I'm not directly familiar with the fords, but hydraulic pumps are relatively cheap. It might have been a worn or dodgy pump if it wasn't lifting just a few stones. I'd consider replacing a pump before I'd replace the machine if that was the only issue with it.

I think I've heard stories about yokes splitting in the middle from lifting too much on the back and having weights on the front keeping the front wheels on the ground (although you might be wanting to ask questions of the last fella to replace the clutch in it if that happened)

J.O. Farmer

Bass Reeves wrote: »

IMO it dose not look like a sub 5k hour tractor. As well if I remember the 90 series Fiat were a running hour clock rather than a works hour clock . I MO if it was a sub5k hours it would be cleaner. Is that the Brogan lad that is up near Aughrim. I brought a tractor off him about two years ago and agree he is very straight.

Pats a brother, there's 4 or 5 brothers all tractor dealers in different places.

Bass Reeves

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Pats a brother, there's 4 or 5 brothers all tractor dealers in different places.

I know there sat least 5 brothers, two or three in Roscommon, one in Limerick, one in Galway and one in Offaly as I think there is another one as well

Turbohymac

Budget is very small.. and something like a 2 wheel drive zetor 8111. Would be best.. there would be no comparison to an international or ford 4610.. especially for lifting round bales of silage etc.. we have an Extremely over used 1987 zetor 8145 ..4wd it's still a great workhorse ..even with the 4 wd turned off its very good to pull on tough ground as I use it regularly for round bales of silage on an outside farm ..with a rossmore loader.. if the going gets tough ..put on the four wheel drive and she will pull anything away..we have fords that are much bigger like a 7840 but would go near the zetor for pulling in soft ground..
Problem now days is most tractors either go for export or dismantling..and you're also looking for a loader which will add an extra few k onto any tractors value.. good luck with your search but I doubt you will get what will properly fit your requirements for a budget of 5k.
And don't buy something that's not adequately able to handle heavy round bales.or an unreliable heap of scrap either..

Oh as for that case 386.. I honestly couldn't see that handling a front loader let alone a bale of silage on it ..also it's only on lawn tyres at the rear so was probably only used to pull a mower on a golf course..

Look at something up above 80hp minimum otherwise you're simply dreaming
Good luck

mengele

Whatever else you do make sure the tractor you get can handle a fusion bale of silage and lift a half tonne bag of fertiliser with the spinner.

Donald Trump

Ah sure, maybe if you got a good trade in for the 135 you could stretch to this. Only 5500 hours on it but you might need to invest in a set of front types on it - the tracking must have been a bit off on it as well.

There's no loader of course, but I'd say it might be able to handle a fusion bale with a spike on the back if you took your time. Might be a little thirstier on the diesel than the 135 though

Tileman

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I know there sat least 5 brothers, two or three in Roscommon, one in Limerick, one in Galway and one in Offaly as I think there is another one as well

Bought off the lad in Limerick. Wouldn’t do it again. Issue happened on tractor within guaranteed period and he wouldn’t cover it.

Nekarsulm

Would he drive one of these?
If all is well internally, they will lift any round bale.
Nice light steering, good 4wd system and good brakes if you have hilly ground.
Bought an identical one about 5 years ago and it's been grand.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/same-leopard-85/24532800

Of one of these? Only 2wd but has the versatility of having a loader fitted.
They have a good reputation, but it's important to get someone to check the brake pads and disks on these age Deutz.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/dtutz-fahr-tractor/22787884

Bass Reeves

Tileman wrote: »

Bought off the lad in Limerick. Wouldn’t do it again. Issue happened on tractor within guaranteed period and he wouldn’t cover it.

I bought off the lad in Roscommon It above near Aughrim, he seemed sound enough but nothing went wrong with tractor.

Bazzer007

Try Trillick Tractors up north. They sell to the export market but they might have a good going tractor within your budget range.

Icelandicseige

We've a 675 massy here 4WD.
It does struggle with heavy bales and loading half ton fert into spreader it does struggle.
Apologies for hijacking thread but is there anything can be done to improve its lifting capabilities?
Ideally would love a teleporter around the place

Bass Reeves

The Case 1394 that I put the link to is a 77hp tractor. It has a lift capable of lifting even a fusion round bale. While an old tractor it is a mid 80's tractor it looks like it has been done up. It seems to have a fairly decent type seat. I say it would only need weight at the front if the bales were very heavy. Can and tin work look ok even thought they have been cleaned up.

Biggest issue is it's a private sale I would say so it would need checking out but so will any tractor in that price bracket. Looks like it has been rewired, it also seems road legal.