Seanergy wrote: » The longer I'm in this thread the more I realise it is important for all of us to be able to make quick face coverings from a multitude of objects, and this basic shape is one of them. I favour a more stable build for everyday use but there can always be a time and a place for a makeshift cover.]
stephenjmcd wrote: » Again I'll ask who would enforce or police it ? All well and good suggesting it but you've yet to say how it could be made mandatory if your simply relying on goodwill of people to do it. People obey laws because of its enforcement.So one last time who enforces the mandatory wearing on public transport ? That's the main issue here the enforcement piece
all about the mane wrote: » I have access to masks but wouldn’t wear them unless I am up close with a symptomatic covid19 person.
Boggles wrote: » I have tried a couple of times all ready to explain it but, again. Who enforces the smoking ban on transport? In fact how do we enforce all our laws? It's very simple. 1. The "goodwill" of the people 2. Threat of sanction. We don't actively enforce all our laws all the time, because that would be impossible. When mandatory mask wearing is brought in for public transport, hire more staff, educate and distribute, warn then fine the dribblers.
Damien360 wrote: » We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter, it’s advise to wear masks. It ties the gardai hands so why would they bother. Even with a new law every single fine can be fought in the Irish courts and you clog it up. Evidence please, and the whole thing collapses. If anyone wants on the spot fines that are enforceable then carrying of a national ID card would have to be mandatory. Look where that ended up. And the fines would have to come direct from wages/dole so revenue would have to be involved. It may be a sensible option but it will not happen as no politician will touch it with a barge pole.
Damien360 wrote: » We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter,
paddy19 wrote: » It's always easy to give advise to other people when it doesn't cost you anything.To show they are serious about a new process means the government spending money.If you want people to wear masks, the first step is give them away free at the door of every bus, train and premises. You don't have to do this forever but have to do it at the start to get a momentum going. Name a day and start an education campaign. Wear your mask. Let's protect each other from Covid,
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Mandatory wearing of masks cannot be brought in without legislation and enforced by the Gardai. Compare it to seatbelts. The wearing of seatbelts is mandatory the Gardai will give penalty points and a fine if you are spotted not wearing one. It also happens to make sense to wear one but without the legislation people could choose themselves. It couldn't be enforced. This isn't Soviet Russia or China. Legislation must be passed . There is no short cut in the real world
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Seat belt wearing brought in for the safety of people. Yet face masks for the health of people, not in Ireland. What a joke.
Seanergy wrote: » To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves. If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government). There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Are a caretaker government limited in the amount of legislation they can introduce? Maybe they have used up all of their options. I'm not sure
Seanergy wrote: » Yeah privilage ran out months ago......It's all stall ball till coalition forms...schools got thrown under the bus on friday just to deflect heat from masks.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Aren't they meant to be encouraging mask wearing this coming week with a new campaign, apparently TV and radio adds based on their new evidence that we all knew here months ago.
Seanergy wrote: » I'm actually viewing this new education campaign as an excerise in blame deflection. If they were serious in any way, logical conversation would have flooded the country over the past week & wknd. This new mask campaign is purely a documented public display of the State washing their hands of any mixed messaging that could be lingering in society from their actions since the pandemic started. It will create the perfect platform to place future blame on poor mask uptake away from the actions of government and at the feet of the public.
is_that_so wrote: » When people remember this it will be the 2m, hand washing and issues of protection around those considered to be most at risk to this. Mask policies are no stick to beat a government with given that most people dislike the idea of them.
Seanergy wrote: » I will give the government credit where credit is due, they could have easily strongly advised us to wash our feet instead of our hands and they didn't do that.
stephenjmcd wrote: » And have you seen a Garda wearing a face mask yet?? They're supposed to wear them in squad cars not seen any wearing them. What I've posted is the experience of one station, beleive it or not I dont really care but in that station they aren't wearing them
MipMap wrote: » Place was buzzing cafes open with people sitting outside drinking coffee. No apparent social distancing and apart from amother old lady not a sinner wearing a mask.
TheChizler wrote: » That might be difficult to do
MipMap wrote: » Actually I fully agree. Eventually we are going to have to stop this absolute, Black and White approach to this and to social distancing. On public transport social distancing 2mtrs 1 mtr it does not matter. It is not practical. Face masks are however so that's what you do. In pubs, neither is practical so we have to accept that if the publs are going to open then they have to be exempt. It is not ideal but it's all we can do. People can choose whether they go to the pub and decide for themselves. Sure they will contribute to a rise in the Ro but as long as it is kept below 1 and we try mitigation measures to compensate for this in other areas (eg: mask wearing in other settings.) In South Korea they used a system of tracking people by mobile apps and credit card usage so outbreaks from these settings(Bars etc.,) could be traced and isolated quickly. Did't work in the case of that gay bar incident but they are coping with that and learning from it. I fully understand that there will be cases that a guy gets in in the pub and then gives it to someone else and this is not fair but what is fair in life?
