Restriction questions - the Megathread

statto25

masculinist wrote: »

what about shared custody where there's an informal friendly agreement and no legal piece of paper?

I doubt that matters. If there did a legal custody arrangement then that's followed. If there is opportunity to have more time then that's even better. People need to work together now.

Wanderer19

La.m wrote: »

I think your understanding is wrong based on the actual text from the CMO. I’ve attached it here and it clearly says individual physical exercise, which may include children from the household. Children, not other adults.

This will allow it to be policed easier as otherwise no one would know if two adults were in the same household or not and it could be more easily flaunted.

'Individual' means on your own, not part of a group (outside of your household).

So, you can walk on your own, (or with the people you live with), but not as part of a 'walking group'.

Need a Username

The chan chan man wrote: »

I’d love to believe that. However Italy’s death toll averaged at about 155 per day for the past 3 years. Now we’re seeing 600-800 die per day.

What’s the source of this claim?

How did you find the numbers for past years?

It is very difficult to figure out which view is correct.

If your numbers are right then that is a massive increase and dies not tally with the “all hysteria” view.

Average of 155 doesn’t mean it was throughout the year - maybe this time of year is when the majority actually died.

Doctor Jimbob

History Queen wrote: »

Can you link a source please?

As a general rule, it's probably for the best to assume anything citing 'boffins' is nonsense.

Sleeper12

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Any idea what time this list will be published?

They are still making it up. Shocking to think that this was so rushed that they didn't even have the list worked out.



These are the guidelines they are working from

Operators of Essential Services

The Directive has direct implications for many companies and utilities in the State. A number of these companies and utilities have been designated as 'Operators of Essential Services' by the Department, and are subject to security obligations and incident reporting requirements. The criteria for identification was as follows:

(1) The entity should provide a service which is essential for the maintenance of critical societal and economic activities;

(2) The provision of that service should depend on network and information systems; and

(3) A security incident would have significant disruptive effects on the essential service.

The following sectors and subsectors were included for consideration by Member States:

Energy: electricity, oil and gas
Transport: air, rail, water and road
Banking: credit institutions
Financial market infrastructures: trading venues and central counterparties
Health: healthcare providers
Water: drinking water supply and distribution
Digital infrastructure: internet exchange points, domain name system service providers and top level domain name registries

Plumbing & electrical should be well covered

whisky_galore

arctictree wrote: »

Is rubbish collection still happening?

What if you don't have a collection and need to bring it to a council yard?

The chan chan man

Need a Username wrote: »

How did you find the numbers for past years?

It is very difficult to figure out which view is correct.

If your numbers are right then that is a massive increase and dies not tally with the “all hysteria” view.

Average of 155 doesn’t mean it was throughout the year - maybe this time of year is when the majority actually died.

I’m just taking italy’s annual death toll per thousand, calculating a figure based on population and averaging over 365.

Either way, I think its unreasonable to suggest that the death toll is the same as any other year in Italy. They have the oldest population in Europe which is why this hit them so hard.

Fann Linn

whisky_galore wrote: »

What if you don't have a collection and need to bring it to a council yard?

Ring your local council.

Discodog

I don't like the idea of a Garda, with no PPE, asking me to open the window or hand over documents.

HeidiHeidi

whisky_galore wrote: »

What if you don't have a collection and need to bring it to a council yard?

I brought mine to a Dublin bring centre during the week, they were still open at that stage anyway

HeidiHeidi

Discodog wrote: »

I don't like the idea of a Garda, with no PPE, asking me to open the window or hand over documents.

I'd say the Garda likes it even less, to be fair

whisky_galore

Fann Linn wrote: »

Ring your local council.

For what? To ask if they're open or ask if they'll collect (very much doubt they will)

HeidiHeidi

whisky_galore wrote: »

For what? To ask if they're open or ask if they'll collect (very much doubt they will)

To ask if they're open. It's not that difficult.

HeidiHeidi

whisky_galore wrote: »

For what? To ask if they're open or ask if they'll collect (very much doubt they will)

To ask if they're open. It's not that difficult.

whisky_galore

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

To ask if they're open. It's not that difficult.

Less of the sassmouth.

HeidiHeidi

whisky_galore wrote: »

Less of the sassmouth.

It really isn't, though. I rang my local centre before making the trip there with a bag of stinking rubbish in the car. They said that they were staying open - but that was almost a week ago, so would be worth checking.

Need a Username

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Myself & my adult son are autistic. We are absolutely loving the social distancing. I still work everyday. The only change for me is no more eating out & I miss my Friday afternoon pint with my pal. Outside of that I'm more relaxed now than I have been in decades.

OCD myself and this “stay at home” would all be a gift from heaven except that my grandfather is in the house.

We do not get along but wasn’t an issue before as he would normally be out most of the day.

Sleeper12

whisky_galore wrote: »

What if you don't have a collection and need to bring it to a council yard?

Why would council yard be open if you can't leave your home? You should read the list of when you can leave your home.

Phoebas

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They are still making it up. Shocking to think that this was so rushed that they didn't even have the list worked out.

We're in the middle of an emergency. Of course things are rushed.
I'd be more worried if they were taking their time to dot the i's and cross the t's.

kenmm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Shocking to think that this was so rushed that they didn't even have the list worked out.

It really is a terrible situation and I am glad they are finally taking it seriously.

For those that are confused over this: common sense must prevail. The powers that be will get the information out as soon as possible.

iamwhoiam

One here is just 70 and one of us under 70 . Can the one under 70 go shopping for food ? Also can the one aged 70 go for a walk here in the estate ( if its quiet naturally )

Fann Linn

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Why would council yard be open if you can't leave your home? You should read the list of when you can leave your home.

The council's are working. Why wouldn't one of their essential services not be.

kenmm

whisky_galore wrote: »

What if you don't have a collection and need to bring it to a council yard?

What is it you want to remove, or is this a hypothetical?
I can't think of anything other than regular household refuse that counts as essential?

Quazzie

Need a Username wrote: »

Northern Italy is heavily polluted (been there and this is true) and respiratory problems are apparently common.

It is not unreasonable that the virus has simply brought Italy’s high death to light. I mean how people died in Ireland every day before the virus?

I had a quick google but I’m not a skilled enough searcher. Every death statistic is related to CoVid 19. However I also have not see the evidence that these death are indeed related to CoVid 19. This is the claim of another set of of boffins.

Which boffins are right? I have no idea. I won’t dismiss either claim but I will continue with the precautions and common sense for the sake of my grandparents.

These rules do not make my life harder.

So you think 919 deaths in a 24 hour period (728 the day before) is normal for a country the size of Italy? And that's not included the 'normal' deaths. That is just deaths caused directly by Covid -19. Do you think there us any other single medical condition that could cause over 1600 deaths in two days, in a population of 60 Million.

It's scary that there are still people arguing over the legitimacy of this.

Need a Username

kenmm wrote: »

It really is a terrible situation and I am glad they are finally taking it seriously.

For those that are confused over this: common sense must prevail. The powers that be will get the information out as soon as possible.

Who is the “they” they wasn’t taking it seriously?

The government?

Sleeper12

kenmm wrote: »

It really is a terrible situation and I am glad they are finally taking it seriously.

For those that are confused over this: common sense must prevail. The powers that be will get the information out as soon as possible.

They took it serious from the start. They couldn't bring in tough measures till legislation was rushed through the Dail & signed by the president. The ink wasn't even dry as Leo spoke last night. They always have treated this as serious. They only ever let us see two weeks into the future. By Easter Sunday this will be extended by another two weeks & another. The flatter the curve the longer it goes on for. A very flat curve could see this going for months.

Need a Username

Quazzie wrote: »

So you think 919 deaths in a 24 hour period (728 the day before) is normal for a country the size of Italy? And that's not included the 'normal' deaths. That is just deaths caused directly by Covid -19. Do you think there us any other single medical condition that could cause over 1600 deaths in two days, in a population of 60 Million.

It's scary that there are still people arguing over the legitimacy of this.

Who is arguing over “legitimacy “?


Go back and read all the posts. And stop trying to turn this sensible thread into snarkfests like all the others on this topic.

Sleeper12

Fann Linn wrote: »

The council's are working. Why wouldn't one of their essential services not be.

How can it be open to the public when the public aren't allowed to leave their home to bring rubbish to the council yard? I'd be gobsmacked if the council dealt with the general public over the next two weeks

La.m

Wanderer19 wrote: »

'Individual' means on your own, not part of a group (outside of your household).

So, you can walk on your own, (or with the people you live with), but not as part of a 'walking group'.

I agree that the HSE ads that have been published and are being played on the radio agrees with this interpretation. However, the actual long form guidance from gov.ie and the cmo specifically state individually and then have a caveat that you can bring your children. If individually meant with anyone from your household they wouldn’t have stated a specific exception for children.

Again this is more of a perception thing. I’m afraid that if everyone is not on the same page about what this means (and obviously people are confused or this thread wouldn’t exist) then people are going to get very angry when they think people are breaking the rules as they see them. We’ve got through this so far by being in it together but that could break apart fast.

kenmm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

One here is just 70 and one of us under 70 . Can the one under 70 go shopping for food ? Also can the one aged 70 go for a walk here in the estate ( if its quiet naturally )

One has to do their own risk assessment in terms of own personal safety. On top of that the rules are designed to eliminate risk to general public safety.

No-one is going to be id-ing pensioners waking alone near their house.

If it were me, I'd be advising anyone I'd consider vulnerable to stay home completely, as I have done with my own family for at least the last 3 weeks.
Especially now. As we approach the peak, this is not the time to get sick, we could very well be in a situation where Doctors have to call upon who gets treatment. Why risk it?

Need a Username

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They took it serious from the start. They couldn't bring in tough measures till legislation was rushed through the Dail & signed by the president. The ink wasn't even dry as Leo spoke last night. They always have treated this as serious. They only ever let us see two weeks into the future. By Easter Sunday this will be extended by another two weeks & another. The flatter the curve the longer it goes on for. A very flat curve could see this going for months.

I won’t last that long living with my grandfather.

The family will to conference call and discuss who can take him or replace me here.

We are not a family who can agree on anything though.

Melanchthon

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They took it serious from the start. They couldn't bring in tough measures till legislation was rushed through the Dail & signed by the president. The ink wasn't even dry as Leo spoke last night. They always have treated this as serious. They only ever let us see two weeks into the future. By Easter Sunday this will be extended by another two weeks & another. The flatter the curve the longer it goes on for. A very flat curve could see this going for months.

They haven't always taken it seriously, they responded well the last handful of weeks but they didn't take it seriously at the start otherwise you would not have had medical staff coming back from hotspots going straight to work in hospitals and the HSE wouldn't be waiting for the ventilators as they government would have put an export ban in until the state had an adequate number for itself (same for PPE)

Phoebas

iamwhoiam wrote: »

One here is just 70 and one of us under 70 . Can the one under 70 go shopping for food ? Also can the one aged 70 go for a walk here in the estate ( if its quiet naturally )

Over 70s cannot leave their homes.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/923825-guidance-on-cocooning-to-protect-people-over-70-years-and-those-extr/

sentient_6

First world problems question but I'm going to ask anyway....will the couriers, dpd dhl etc, stay running? Daughters birthday middle of April and Smyths and the rest are fully closed now.

Fann Linn

Sleeper12 wrote: »

How can it be open to the public when the public aren't allowed to leave their home to bring rubbish to the council yard? I'd be gobsmacked if the council dealt with the general public over the next two weeks

Well according to the latest update for mine it states;

'All civic amenities are currently open.... And we would ask all the members of the public to observe and maintain social distancing measures. ' or words to that effect.

Why is this even an issue here when a quick call to the local council could provide the answer?

kenmm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They took it serious from the start. They couldn't bring in tough measures till legislation was rushed through the Dail & signed by the president. The ink wasn't even dry as Leo spoke last night. They always have treated this as serious. They only ever let us see two weeks into the future. By Easter Sunday this will be extended by another two weeks & another. The flatter the curve the longer it goes on for. A very flat curve could see this going for months.

We can agree to disagree on the seriousness of the response but for me the 'start' was only taken as couple of weeks ago. We knew this was coming way before.

I think though, legislation aside, a stronger message should have been put out sooner. We got an almost carbon copy of the UK response the day after (Tue) and all week we still see and hear reports of the general population not taking it very seriously (BBQs, football in Fairview park, kids everywhere, people noticing neighbours having kids over). I hope this stronger announcement, backed by legalisation will help as the next month or more could be absolute carnage.

Shellzzz

chimerical26 wrote:

My parents live about 20km from me. They are cocooned. Is it possible for me to exceed the 2km limit to leave groceries on their doorstep?

Of course,if that's not essential I don't know what is,People just need to use common sense.

kenmm

sentient_6 wrote: »

First world problems question but I'm going to ask anyway....will the couriers, dpd dhl etc, stay running? Daughters birthday middle of April and Smyths and the rest are fully closed now.

Couriers will still be running as long as the employees don't get sick. Logistics still needed, especially for essential items. I would make an appeal to consider what we are all buying tho. I'm not saying don't get your daughter a gift, but some was telling me about going online shopping to try and cheer themselves up.. which I think is a bit if a frivolity in these times.

iamwhoiam

Phoebas wrote: »

Over 70s cannot leave their homes.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/923825-guidance-on-cocooning-to-protect-people-over-70-years-and-those-extr/

Thank you , very helpful

kenmm

Need a Username wrote: »

I won’t last that long living with my grandfather.

The family will to conference call and discuss who can take him or replace me here.

We are not a family who can agree on anything though.

I am sorry for you, many are stuck in situation that are mentally not good. Try and keep the communications up with as many as possible. If there is something more serious than 'not getting along' ie there is an issue if safety, please do call the authorities.

Need a Username

sentient_6 wrote: »

First world problems question but I'm going to ask anyway....will the couriers, dpd dhl etc, stay running? Daughters birthday middle of April and Smyths and the rest are fully closed now.

I think maybe keep an eye on their websites. Best way to find out if and when they stop.

I have two packages coming in the next week. One is due Monday.

I hope they keep going. They will have important stuff to deliver for people.

Have you ordered already?

Sleeper12

Checkpoint on the Kilbarrack road. Told the Gardai that I was going to to work to repair showers in Blanchardstown, Tallaght, Rathfarnham, Stilorgan and East Wall. I showed him the invoices for the day. He bid me a good day & off I went

whiskeyman

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thank you , very helpful

Going to the shops is one thing, not going for a walk another.

I doubt many people of that age will stop going for a walk.

physioman

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thank you , very helpful

I was at the shop this morning. At least 4 people who were over 70 at the shop. If it was 4 teenagers people would be telling them to go home!

Boggles

physioman wrote: »

I was at the shop this morning. At least 4 people who were over 70 at the shop. If it was 4 teenagers people would be telling them to go home!

How did you know they were over 70?

Did you ID them?

iamwhoiam

whiskeyman wrote: »

Going to the shops is one thing, not going for a walk another.

I doubt many people of that age will stop going for a walk.

I think it probably would very much depend on where you live .Pottering down a lane with no one far and wide should be fine .,Walking around a busy flat complex maybe not

whiskeyman

Phoebas wrote: »

Over 70s cannot leave their homes.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/923825-guidance-on-cocooning-to-protect-people-over-70-years-and-those-extr/

Going to be one thing telling my fit 70 year old Dad to stay away from the shop.

Not going for a walk or cycle will be impossible.

Need a Username

kenmm wrote: »

I am sorry for you, many are stuck in situation that are mentally not good. Try and keep the communications up with as many as possible. If there is something more serious than 'not getting along' ie there is an issue if safety, please do call the authorities.

I had the notion that my Nana should be in her own house and wouldn’t like to be elsewhere(not nursing home, other relatives who could take her and she would happy). I realised too late I am wrong and now I’m in the situation that I’d hdd as be nowhere to live, which would be okay except Nana knows this so won’t budge from here.

This virus business makes getting a job and place to live difficult. I gave options abroad but that is even more difficult.

Cilldara_2000

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Checkpoint on the Kilbarrack road. Told the Gardai that I was going to to work to repair showers in Blanchardstown, Tallaght, Rathfarnham, Stilorgan and East Wall. I showed him the invoices for the day. He bid me a good day & off I went

I would hope and I expect that your work will be considered essential on the coming list. Best of luck.

Out of interest, how close was the contact with the Garda? Did they have a mask on?

tabby aspreme

sentient_6 wrote: »

First world problems question but I'm going to ask anyway....will the couriers, dpd dhl etc, stay running? Daughters birthday middle of April and Smyths and the rest are fully closed now.

According to there website ,Fastway are providing an essential service, so I reckon the other couriers are the same and will stay working