Restriction questions - the Megathread

Abba987

Please move / merge if appropriate

So i dont understand some of these restrictions..

Can we walk dogs ?

Can we walk in groups of 2, 3 etc if we all live together anyway

Who exactly is essential? With no outpatient services or elective procedures there is a large number of staff whose normal day to day is all but gone. Do they show up for work ?

Is there a full list of underlying illnesses that puts you more at risk ?

Is the covid 19 payment backdated ?

Is the testing going to be improved. Im hearing its a week wait?

BoatMad

Abba987 wrote: »

Please move / merge if appropriate

So i dont understand some of these restrictions..

Can we walk dogs ?

Can we walk in groups of 2, 3 etc if we all live together anyway

Who exactly is essential? With no outpatient services or elective procedures there is a large number of staff whose normal day to day is all but gone. Do they show up for work ?

Is there a full list of underlying illnesses that puts you more at risk ?

Is the covid 19 payment backdated ?

Is the testing going to be improved. Im hearing its a week wait?

Dogs , within 2Km of your home and on your own

No you can’t walk in adult groups , irrespective of living together , excercie to be conducted alone

The essential workers lists are being updated

Testing is being restricted , th3 next big thing will be antibody testing , much more useful

Abba987

BoatMad wrote: »

Dogs , within 2Km of your home and on your own

No you can’t walk in adult groups , irrespective of living together , excercie to be conducted alone

The essential workers lists are being updated

Testing is being restricted , th3 next big thing will be antibody testing , much more useful

Thank you!

Now say ive a clatter of kids so have i to being them out on my own as the individual adult.

This is scary stuff. In reality we probably wont go anywhere. But can me and himself not walk to shop together to carry it all back! I wonder will this be enforced

Quazzie

Any idea when the list of "essential" jobs is being updated>

the_pen_turner

the whole thing is crazy. total shambles of an anouncment. they basically cam out and said that we are making things illegal for some people without telling any of us who these people are. at the same time telling us that the guards have no power to do anything worthwhile. why not have the list of essential work ready at the same time so we all know where we stand.

as of now im an essential worker (construction) but at midnight it could be illegal for me to go to work. how would I know ,

Harry Palmr

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1243680518861983744

cournioni

Quazzie wrote: »

Any idea when the list of "essential" jobs is being updated>

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/

Fann Linn

cournioni wrote: »

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/[/quote


They've clarified that by saying thats only a partial list.
More to follow apparently.
Making it up as they go along.

L1011

cournioni wrote: »

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/

For retailers.


I work in a job that is considered essential in basically every other country where I can read their list; but is NOT retail or healthcare.

Basically the public, and the state, would miss us if we were gone but not to a people dying level.

Harry Palmr

Businesses that can only offer emergency call-out or delivery services

It is recognised that there may be emergency needs arising in a number of areas, the following retailers who can offer an emergency call-out or delivery service can continue to operate on that basis ONLY:

hardware stores, builder’s merchants and stores that provide hardware products necessary for home and business maintenance, sanitation and farm equipment, supplies and tools essential for gardening/farming/agriculture

Can you imagine phoning Homebase or other supplier for an emergency length of brass pipework to be delivered to fix a leaky hot water tank?

Cilldara_2000

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Can you imagine phoning Homebase or other supplier for an emergency length of brass pipework to be delivered to fix a leaky hot water tank?

I could well imagine a locally owned hardware doing so.

Cilldara_2000

L1011 wrote: »

For retailers.


I work in a job that is considered essential in basically every other country where I can read their list; but is NOT retail or healthcare.

Basically the public, and the state, would miss us if we were gone but not to a people dying level.

Have you work tomorrow? If not cool the jets and see what they say tomorrow. No reason to expect Irish essentials to be wildly different to others.

L1011

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Have you work tomorrow? If not cool the jets and see what they say tomorrow. No reason to expect Irish essentials to be wildly different to others.

I'm on 24/7 call, as would be most others in my profession realistically. Some will be in work now if in an employer with a shift rotation.

As restrictions came in at midnight and they haven't published the list they are in massive dereliction of duty there. Probably the first real case of incompetence so far.

BoatMad

the_pen_turner wrote: »

the whole thing is crazy. total shambles of an anouncment. they basically cam out and said that we are making things illegal for some people without telling any of us who these people are. at the same time telling us that the guards have no power to do anything worthwhile. why not have the list of essential work ready at the same time so we all know where we stand.

as of now im an essential worker (construction) but at midnight it could be illegal for me to go to work. how would I know ,

These lists are being published as we speak

BoatMad

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Can you imagine phoning Homebase or other supplier for an emergency length of brass pipework to be delivered to fix a leaky hot water tank?

Then you phone a plumber and he comes

rob316

cournioni wrote: »

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/

That looks like the old one.

Sleeper12

Abba987 wrote:

Who exactly is essential? With no outpatient services or elective procedures there is a large number of staff whose normal day to day is all but gone. Do they show up for work ?

This melted my head tonight. No joined up thinking at all. The list should have been published on the Health & safety website at the time of the press conference or at the end of it.

List will be health workers, plumbers, electricians, supermarket workers, trade counter staff, filling stations, mechanics. I even think electric appliance stores will be on the list. They might ban take aways but allow delivered take away food. Building sites might close but individual tradesmen will be needed to ensure the supply and maintenance of electricity, gas and water. You can't have a family locked in a house with no heating /water /electricity.

Plumbing trade myself, I expect to be working six days a week for the duration of the emergence or until I get ill

BoatMad

Fann Linn wrote: »

cournioni wrote: »

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/[/quote


They've clarified that by saying thats only a partial list.
More to follow appar ently.
Making it up as they go along.

Err , yes , everything is being made up as we go along , that’s the whole point

rob316

cournioni wrote: »

It’s done.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/

That looks like the old one.

Fann Linn

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Have you work tomorrow? If not cool the jets and see what they say tomorrow. No reason to expect Irish essentials to be wildly different to others.

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

BoatMad

Sleeper12 wrote: »

This melted my head tonight. No joined up thinking at all. The list should have been published on the Health & safety website at the time of the press conference or at the end of it.

List will be health workers, plumbers, electricians, supermarket workers, trade counter staff, filling stations, mechanics. I even think electric appliance stores will be on the list. They might ban take aways but allow delivered take away food. Building sites might close but individual tradesmen will be needed to ensure the supply and maintenance of electricity, gas and water. You can't have a family locked in a house with no heating /water /electricity.

Plumbing trade myself, I expect to be working six days a week for the duration of the emergence or until I get ill

Trade counters can’t open , only stores that deliver

Cilldara_2000

L1011 wrote: »

I'm on 24/7 call, as would be most others in my profession realistically. Some will be in work now if in an employer with a shift rotation.

As restrictions came in at midnight and they haven't published the list they are in massive dereliction of duty there. Probably the first real case of incompetence so far.

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

Fair points.

I'd also add the employee reimbursement scheme based on net pay rather than gross that no employer can claim unless they admit to reckless trading and want their names published to the incompetence list.

BoatMad

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

The list has been published , or can’t you use google , it’s been referenced dozens of time on various boards posts in th3 last hour

Cilldara_2000

BoatMad wrote: »

The list has been published , or can’t you use google , it’s been referenced dozens of time on various boards posts in th3 last hour

That's only retail as far as I am aware.

daheff

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

Probably they got wind of problem coming and had no choice but to make a quick announcement. Details to follow .

Would much rather they do this than faff about trying to get a list everybody can agree to & then announce

I just don’t see how this is going to be policed?

Fann Linn

BoatMad wrote: »

The list has been published , or can’t you use google , it’s been referenced dozens of time on various boards posts in th3 last hour

Wrong. Even Heather Humphries has said she hopes to have the full list as early as possible in the morning. That's the partial, retail list.

Sleeper12

L1011 wrote:

For retailers.

No mention of trades & services. Building sites & the likes.

The whole thing seems to be thrown together in a very rushed way

Cilldara_2000

SnowyMuckish wrote: »

I just don’t see how this is going to be policed?

The same way any other law is policed? By Gardaí witnessing breaches or by members of the public witnessing breaches an reporting them?

PickYourName

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

That's only retail as far as I am aware.

Exactly!

Not a sufficient list.

Who makes the stuff the essential retailers sell?

Who makes the stuff the stuff on sale is packed in?

How does it get there?

Where does the electricity to power the hospitals and essential retail come from?

Who services the equipment in the hospitals when it breaks down?

Who makes the replacement parts for that equipment?

How does all that srtuff get ordered and paid for?

Who pays the taxes?

Who advises on payment of the taxes?

Unless you have a planned distribution of a very small set of essential goods and services, the ripples of what is an essential service just keep on spreading.......

youngblood

Hotels closing? Two nearby that have been open, not mentioned on the list

LadyMayBelle

BoatMad wrote: »

Dogs , within 2Km of your home and on your own

No you can’t walk in adult groups , irrespective of living together , excercie to be conducted alone

The essential workers lists are being updated

Testing is being restricted , th3 next big thing will be antibody testing , much more useful

Quote RTE: To take brief individual personal exercise within 2km of your own home which may include children from your own household as long as you adhere to two-metre physical distancing


Surely you can go as a family?! Makes no sense to stop people living together who want to walk together from doing so?

Guy:Incognito

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

Only if you missed this:

". If you consider your business or service to be an essential service the advice is you should open tomorrow, pending the publication of the list"

Guy:Incognito

youngblood wrote: »

Hotels closing? Two nearby that have been open, not mentioned on the list

Whos been staying in them?

Alun

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Surely you can go as a family?! Makes no sense to stop people living together who want to walk together from doing so?

There's only my wife and I living here. What possible reasons could there be for us not going for a walk together rather than separately?

youngblood

36 rooms tonight, 4 left after announcement

Fann Linn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Only if you missed this:

". If you consider your business or service to be an essential service the advice is you should open tomorrow, pending the publication of the list"

Would it not have made sense to have the list and save all those workers getting onto buses, trains etc in the morning?

Guy:Incognito

Alun wrote: »

There's only my wife and I living here. What possible reasons could there be for us not going for a walk together rather than separately?

Forced breaks to prevent murders?

BoatMad

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Quote RTE: To take brief individual personal exercise within 2km of your own home which may include children from your own household as long as you adhere to two-metre physical distancing


Surely you can go as a family?! Makes no sense to stop people living together who want to walk together from doing so?

No it’s means one adult can bring their kids along , the key point is to minimise the household to the virus.
Surely you get the point of the whole thing

Maz2016

BoatMad wrote: »

The list has been published , or can’t you use google , it’s been referenced dozens of time on various boards posts in th3 last hour

That’s the old list published this morning. Not to use your own rudeness , but a google search would tell you the list will be published in the morning (28th)

BoatMad

Alun wrote: »

There's only my wife and I living here. What possible reasons could there be for us not going for a walk together rather than separately?

So that both of you don’t become virus carriers and infect others. ,

chimerical26

My parents live about 20km from me. They are cocooned. Is it possible for me to exceed the 2km limit to leave groceries on their doorstep?

L1011

Sleeper12 wrote: »

No mention of trades & services. Building sites & the likes.

The whole thing seems to be thrown together in a very rushed way

It is specifically a retail only list, which most people here seem to be missing

I'm fairly sure that sites will be closed.

Repair work for trades would be emergency, new works would not.

BoatMad

chimerical26 wrote: »

My parents live about 20km from me. They are cocooned. Is it possible for me to exceed the 2km limit to leave groceries on their doorstep?

Only if this is an essential activity , ie not a social visit, of there is another safer way ( yiu order , they deliver etc) , then you should consider that

Alun

BoatMad wrote: »

So that both of you don’t become virus carriers and infect others. ,

What? How is it more likely that we'll become infected if we go out together as opposed to separately?

LadyMayBelle

BoatMad wrote: »

No it’s means one adult can bring their kids along , the key point is to minimise the household to the virus.
Surely you get the point of the whole thing

Thank you for clarifying! Got a bit lost! Cheers

chimerical26

BoatMad wrote: »

Only if this is an essential activity , ie not a social visit, of there is another safer way ( yiu order , they deliver etc) , then you should consider that

I have heard on the radio that online deliveries are fully booked lately. It may end up being essential.

aceman67

I wonder if computer repair callouts would be considered essential

BoatMad

chimerical26 wrote: »

I have heard on the radio that online deliveries are fully booked lately. It may end up being essential.

Then you decide and justify it. That’s fine.

El Weirdo

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think the point being raised is that 'only essential services are to open from tomorrow'.
Followed by obvious question:'what are those essential services? '

Followed by answer: 'We'll tell you tomorrow'.
Do you not see something amiss?

Just go to work or open tomorrow if you're due to. If it turns out that you're not on the list, go home/close.

You're not gonna be arrested and thrown on jail if you have a reasonable excuse for being out.

How is this so difficult for people?

L1011

El Weirdo wrote: »

Just go to work or open tomorrow if you're due to. If it turns out that you're not on the list, go home/close.

You're not gonna be arrested and thrown on jail if you have a reasonable excuse for being out.

How is this so difficult for people?

In my case, the level of prep required for next week will either be Quite A Lot or Absolute Death Inducingly Insane depending on whether we're considered essential (so have some time) or not (so need to try blag it all in a few hours)

Its amateur to make an announcement without the list.