I want a shutdown NOW!

STB.

smelly sock wrote: »

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Basic Geography I'm guessing.

I'd start at basic English, if I were you. May help you understand the words on the page.

Sam the Sham

Can you please stop the pissing contest? This is a serious issue.

CaoinDory

Sam the Sham wrote: »

Can you please stop the pissing contest? This is a serious issue.

I nearly posted the same thing. Everyone is in on this guys. No need to be getting nasty.

STB.

smelly sock wrote: »

That's your opinion on the social distancing. Apart from a few snippets in the media and faux outrage on twitter I believe people are. There are always going to be some businesses and individuals who are selfish but there is no evidence that this will result in the country turning into Italy.

Don't tell me what my opinion is. I saw it with my own eyes. You are not going to tell me black is white.

There is ample evidence. Their doctors have warned us. They are not in a position themselves to go back in time.

If you even had an inkling of this country's health system capabilities vs countries with top of the range health care that has now been rendered useless and overun, you wouldn't be spouting nonsense.

smelly sock wrote: »

Why videos of Italy or Spain? Why not somewhere like South Korea or similar who have been operating on the same guidelines as us and have been somewhat successful in containing this thing.

Because they are the ones with testimonies by the doctors who were dealing with idiots who were more concerned about themselves than the containment of a pandemic.

South Korea did not operate on the guidelines as us. They did things from the start that many other countries didn't. That is why they are a shining example. The extent of which I have already described earlier in this thread, complete with a video for those who have the inability to process words. You should watch it.

smelly sock wrote: »

That attitude of equating us to the worst case scenarios is a joke. It's a bit like having shortage of grain and showing people a video or the Ethiopian famine.

Gain buy in here. Show people how countries like ourselves with similar policies are being successful. With a message of keep up the good work.

You and your like's bláse and uneducated attitude is what will result in massive overwhelming of the Irish Health care system.

Good Luck

growleaves

The virus doesn't care about the "practicalities of life," or the bills you need to pay. They are made up by man and they mean nothing in the face of nature.

Millions in the country care about feeding their kids and paying bills.

Food, shelter and heating are non-negotiables in the face of nature.

STB.

Sam the Sham wrote: »

Can you please stop the pissing contest? This is a serious issue.

Unfortunately there are idiots who refuse to acknowledge that lads.


You are welcome to them

Cork_Langer1

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Powers should be applied against supermarkets etc letting too many in, not regulating their queues and so on.

They cannot stop people gathering outside, but they certainly can stop businesses creating queues inside their premises. They can legally require all businesses to have handwashing/sanitiser at the entrance.

Decent business have done this, but for the sake of these businesses others must not be allowed take the p|ss.

STB. wrote: »

Look there has clearly been a managed phase to scale back the panic. The last time people took this seriously was March 17th.

We already had the social distance and close the schools phase, whereby people went bananas, and all went to the shopping centre to panic buy, completely missing the point.

I'd expect some form of announcement on critical measures to be announced this week. It'll coincide with numbers coming back from the lab that will hugely escalate the numbers. Then the 40,000 awaiting tests hopefully wont be overcome by large numbers in ICU, because the results will be academic then

I understand.the need for more measures in both of your posts, but a cool level headed approach which is been taking at this moment is sufficient, until the HSE calls it than we take that advise as they're the experts, enforcement of powers will just turn people against each other for supplys of anything available and just add more problems to the situation we already face.

Has anyone suggest we take in all the diggers?

Church on Tuesday

Out of interest, are people here still having visitors over?

CaoinDory

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Out of interest, are people here still having visitors over?

No. That would defeat the self isolating premise.

Church on Tuesday

CaoinDory wrote: »

No. That would defeat the self isolating premise.

Grand will it's just that my housemate had her friend with benefits over last night and I don't know where he's been and he was all through the house.

Like, I would imagine at this stage this is not the norm?

d15ude

Not in favor of a full lockdown!

German solution makes sense:
Has Germany imposed a total curfew?
No. But more than two people can't be outside together unless they're part of the same household. Going for a walk with a friend is fine, even if you don't live with them, but groups of three or more are forbidden unless you're family or roommates. A minimum distance of "at least 1.5 meters (5 feet), or better yet 2 meters" should be maintained whenever possible, Chancellor Angela Merkel said as she announced the new measures on Sunday.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-imposes-tougher-restrictions-on-public-life-a-fe5a067b-ee7a-4521-9940-edfa637f90de

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

And rate thread as excellent

CaoinDory

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Grand will it's just that my housemate had her friend with benefits over last night and I don't know where he's been and he was all through the house.

Like, I would imagine at this stage this is not the norm?

Personally I would be quite angry with her and at the very least letting her know of my thoughts. That's ridiculous. Besides hasn't see heard that pornhub is letting ppl watch for free? She can go there if needs must!

dePeatrick

smelly sock wrote: »

A question. Do face masks stop you spreading the virus if you have it?

I understand that they may not stop you contracting.

If they stop the spread then why arent govt supplying them to households or why dont they legislate to enforce the wearing of them during thos crisis.

There just aren't enough of them to go around, the frontline people need them more than we do. Give it a week or two and there will be loads available as there are lots regearing to produce them.

dePeatrick

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Grand will it's just that my housemate had her friend with benefits over last night and I don't know where he's been and he was all through the house.

Like, I would imagine at this stage this is not the norm?

Id be raging...:mad:

Church on Tuesday

dePeatrick wrote: »

Id be raging...:mad:

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

dePeatrick

Sam the Sham wrote: »

Please read this:


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

Sums up the situation perfectly, it's up to us.

is_that_so

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

Break out the wipes and wipe down every surface! I'd have a word about rules for the duration.

CaoinDory

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

No you are not!!! She is clearly one of these who thinks herself above the world. If she wont listen go to the landlord and complain. She could be risking other tenants.

dePeatrick

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

No you are not overreacting, they are possibly in denial about this, and so is the fwb....possibly need to explain the seriousness of this virus and how important it is for all of us to observe social distancing, our lives are in our hands and how we behave, you I am pretty sure know this, your flat mate needs to be educated on this...remember there is no such thing as a bad pupil, only a bad teacher...(my motto ) Be gentle....

CaoinDory

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

Also if she fights back and says she wants to be with them, insist they go to the other persons place.

is_that_so

Sam the Sham wrote: »

Please read this:


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

It really is way, way too long with far too many graphs. Enough material in there for for six articles! The summary at the top and that graph will do most folks.

Church on Tuesday

dePeatrick wrote: »

No you are not overreacting, they are possibly in denial about this, and so is the fwb....possibly need to explain the seriousness of this virus and how important it is for all of us to observe social distancing, our lives are in our hands and how we behave, you I am pretty sure know this, your flat mate needs to be educated on this...remember there is no such thing as a bad pupil, only a bad teacher...(my motto ) Be gentle....

Yeah I'm only over 2 weeks in this place (they are Spanish) and I myself go for a run but in isolated areas but I don't have anyone calling over, not even relatives.

uck51js9zml2yt

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

In a word "No"

Sam the Sham

is_that_so wrote: »

It really is way, way too long with far too many graphs. Enough material in there for for six articles! The summary at the top and that graph will do most folks.

The stakes are high enough that a little reading might be in order...

dePeatrick

CaoinDory wrote: »

Also if she fights back and says she wants to be with them, insist they go to the other persons place.

Then brings it back with them, no, she should be self isolating like everyone else. It is people like this that are the problem, not the rest of us that are tolerating almost zero human contact and trying not to go up the walls...

is_that_so

Sam the Sham wrote: »

The stakes are high enough that a little reading might be in order...

Oh I've been through it and it's really poorly laid out and broken up every few sentences by larger text or a graph. And with respect to the effort he put in he never expands much beyond that summary anyway. In short, it's not a great piece of writing.

aido79

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

most of our country voted sinn fein,

No they didn't

KrustyUCC

I'd prefer the new German rules to a complete lockdown but stories like this make a lockdown more of an option for the government

Exclusive: Social distancing concerns force gardaí to shut down Longford house party after 80 youngsters attend 21st birthday bash

Fears Longford community put at unnecessary risk from Covid-19 after weekend incident

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/528325/exclusive-social-distancing-concerns-force-gardai-to-shut-down-longford-house-party-after-80-youngsters-attend-21st-birthday-bash.html

hmmm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'd prefer the new German rules to a complete lockdown but stories like this make a lockdown more of an option for the government

Exclusive: Social distancing concerns force gardaí to shut down Longford house party after 80 youngsters attend 21st birthday bash

How would a lockdown stop this? The Guards currently have the power to break this up and did.

Some people seem to think a lock-down will involve the army going around shooting people. We don't have enough soldiers for a start, and they currently have better things to be doing than policing the country.

The only thing a lockdown will do is force the law-abiding citizens to do what they are already doing. Worse, it will lead to untold health impacts.

We have to follow the medical advice, not the advice from Twitter.

jem

A full lock down is at this stage madness.
If one is introduced the in effect all business except supermarkets and chemist;s close.
This is un nesecary in the vast majority of cases.
A solicitors office can go about their business and have large physical gaps between people.
Likewise accountants , businesses actually need them now more than ever for advice, for geting in returns , yes the revenue still want them and many do the payrole for small businesses so no accountant no pay.
What about your local petrol station ?
Your locksmith in case you break your key.
The plumber where your washing machine dies.

There are many many more.
Also remember the more that close the more geting social welfare and therefore more coming out of the pot while if left to trade they would be in fact paying into the state funds.
Also the more that close the more that will never open again.

KrustyUCC

hmmm wrote: »

How would a lockdown stop this? The Guards currently have the power to break this up and did.

Some people seem to think a lock-down will involve the army going around shooting people. We don't have enough soldiers for a start, and they currently have better things to be doing than policing the country.

The only thing a lockdown will do is force the law-abiding citizens to do what they are already doing. Worse, it will lead to untold health impacts.

We have to follow the medical advice, not the advice from Twitter.

True that just harder to gather when under a lockdown

Idiots will still be idiots I agree and spoil it for the rest of us

Still though the government are being asked time after time about increased measures

Only a matter of time I feel before they cave in

Foxhound38

Lesnar Defender wrote: »

I for one, do not want my civil liberties removed.

The most vulnerable in our society don't want their lives removed either, I'm sure...

Plumbthedepths

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'd prefer the new German rules to a complete lockdown but stories like this make a lockdown more of an option for the government

Exclusive: Social distancing concerns force gardaí to shut down Longford house party after 80 youngsters attend 21st birthday bash

Fears Longford community put at unnecessary risk from Covid-19 after weekend incident

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/528325/exclusive-social-distancing-concerns-force-gardai-to-shut-down-longford-house-party-after-80-youngsters-attend-21st-birthday-bash.html

Members of a family engaged in an ongoing ' feud'. Not known for high IQ levels tbh. Any advice would fall on deaf ears in that community.

Steve F

Further dithering will cost lives..end of story

juru

I for one, do not want my civil liberties remove by lesner defendar

Seriously,my sister has just volunteered for ICU work and my cousin also. They are both in their 50's. How can I say this if its a choice between my sister living and you having to follow rules. Will I just leave it there. This is why we will struggle because we all know our rights but none of our responsibility. My sister had to choose this morning with other members of staff who would get a critical care bed a 66 year old or a 68 year old. Just imagine if she was making that choice about a member of your family. By the way I cant believe 5 people thanked you for that comment I can only surmise they are as selfish as you.

niallo27

Someone posted it on the other thread, we are already in a lockdown, nothing is open we have no where to go. What more do people want.

KrustyUCC

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Members of a family engaged in an ongoing ' feud'. Not known for high IQ levels tbh. Any advice would fall on deaf ears in that community.

True

Other video of a drinking session in a van in Rathkeale doing the rounds at the weekend

They would still clog up the hospitals when sick though

Plumbthedepths

Steve F wrote: »

Further dithering will cost lives..end of story

Have you told the government? Just be prepared to show your credentials.

ThewhiteJesus

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not too happy about it myself tbh, might have have to have a word with her later but I don't want to come off as a prude either.

Being serious here, am I overreacting?

i haven't seen my own kids in 2 weeks and i'd usually have them stay over every weekend but we're trying to do the right thing, so yes i'd be fuming at your housemate, showed zero respect to you and anyone else in the house

sheep26

Lollipop95 wrote: »

Seems a lot of people in the UK think a full on lockdown over there could be announced today and that if it doesn’t happen they could end up worse than Italy :eek:

it could.. i think the best way to contain the virus is to be sensitive and sacrifice a bit

SuperRabbit

Rose, you remember, what I told you... about the life boats...

shesty

They have left it quite late though.
I saw a comment from Tony Holohan in a recent briefing that there are smaller numbers of people being contacted when contact tracing is going on suggesting that people are being more careful.

rossie1977

A full lockdown is inevitable once our ICUs reach full capacity

Skyfloater

The people who are calling for a lockdown "for however long it takes" should reacquaint themselves with the devastation caused by the Great Depression of the 1930's, the millions of lives foreshortened by malnutrition, hypothermia and lack of basic healthcare. Far, far more than covid 19 will ever claim.
On another point, the median age of the deceased in Italy is 80.5! That's a fine age to last for. What do some people here think happens when you hit your eighty's?
What happens is, you get sick and then you die. Why is that such a shock for some people.

Boggles

Skyfloater wrote: »

The people who are calling for a lockdown "for however long it takes" should reacquaint themselves with the devastation caused by the Great Depression of the 1930's, the millions of lives foreshortened by malnutrition, hypothermia and lack of basic healthcare. Far, far more than covid 19 will ever claim.
On another point, the median age of the deceased in Italy is 80.5! That's a fine age to last for. What do some people here think happens when you hit your eighty's?
What happens is, you get sick and then you die. Why is that such a shock for some people.

#edgelord

realdanbreen

Skyfloater wrote: »

The people who are calling for a lockdown "for however long it takes" should reacquaint themselves with the devastation caused by the Great Depression of the 1930's, the millions of lives foreshortened by malnutrition, hypothermia and lack of basic healthcare. Far, far more than covid 19 will ever claim.
On another point, the median age of the deceased in Italy is 80.5! That's a fine age to last for. What do some people here think happens when you hit your eighty's?
What happens is, you get sick and then you die. Why is that such a shock for some people.

It is precisely for knobheads with that kind of viewpoint that a lockdown is required!

Sam the Sham

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh I've been through it and it's really poorly laid out and broken up every few sentences by larger text or a graph. And with respect to the effort he put in he never expands much beyond that summary anyway. In short, it's not a great piece of writing.

No, it isn't a great piece of writing. But it's not in those terms that it should be assessed. It's the insight into the respective responses of successful and unsuccessful countries and the conclusions about how that should inflect policy in other countries that makes the article worth reading.

jj880

Nermal wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to go out. You are free to shutdown by yourself. The rest of us may have a different risk tolerance to you, and can make our own decisions.

Wow - real team player you are!

This kind of attitude is scaring the sh!t out of me.

This virus doesn't care how high someone's "risk tolerance" is.

Selfish morons like you are why we need lockdown.

CaoinDory

I saw a video of Piers Morgan (I know, I know... but bear with me) giving out about people still going out and not social distancing and he made a comment about how we no longer understand the word "no".

And he is absolutely right. The problem is that there are people here who live their lives without ever being told no and now they are the people who think they have the right to do whatever the fcuk they like regardless of what it costs the nation. It is these people we need to force into lockdown! The rest are behaving responsibly.

If you need evidence just look at the comments about "civil rights" and being part of the low risk group.