Is it just me or have SF vanished?

ThunbergsAreGo

Runaways wrote: »

To be fair SF have been calling for a lockdown this entire week

And? The health experts didn't think it was necessary at the time.

Maybe last week was the wrong time for it. Nobody knows.

Runaways

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Mary Lou said we can access the apple money right now. Thats a lie.

I don’t think that’s what was said or meant.

I think she’s broadly suggesting those corporations on tax holidays here should at least be paying the scant minimum they’re legally obliged to. Because they’re not even paying that. We’ve become a tax haven and avenue to pass massive amounts of money through unchecked. Not great for our reputation globally even if it suits a small few.

all about the mane

tikkahunter wrote: »

Legislation takes time to bring in as does ramping up the resources to enforce it , it was always coming but has been brought in with a controlled fashion. You can’t just shout from the opposition and it happens. Stop playing the fool lad .

He wouldn't understand how government works. They have never been in power in the south. And they ran from it in the north so the lack of experience is showing.

ThunbergsAreGo

Runaways wrote: »

I don’t think that’s what was said or meant.

I think she’s broadly suggesting those corporations on tax holidays here should at least be paying the scant minimum they’re legally obliged to. Because they’re not even paying that. We’ve become a tax haven and avenue to pass massive amounts of money through unchecked. Not great for our reputation globally even if it suits a small few.

That's what Martin Browne seems to have said/meant
http://tippfm.com/news/tipperary-td-says-govt-collect-tax-owed-apple-use-covid-19-crisis/

all about the mane

Runaways wrote: »

I don’t think that’s what was said or meant.

I think she’s broadly suggesting those corporations on tax holidays here should at least be paying the scant minimum they’re legally obliged to. Because they’re not even paying that. We’ve become a tax haven and avenue to pass massive amounts of money through unchecked. Not great for our reputation globally even if it suits a small few.

A small few? Do you have any idea how many jobs in this country are dependant on MNCs? And how much the country depends on the taxes paid by those workers?

Phoebas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With nearly 600 posts in this thread and the FG government finally getting around to the lockdown SF and others have been calling for...it is quite clear that SF have done anything but 'vanish'.

Discuss.

Why were SF calling for measures that were contrary to those being asked for by the medical professionals at the time?

Maybe Louise O'Reilly knows better than Dr. Tony Holohan and his team!
Maybe SF were playing a dangerous game with people's lives by advocating a different course of action based on a political rather than a medical calculation.
Maybe this was the playing out of MLMD's 'the demographics will look after themselves' policy.

CiarraiAbu2

Runaways wrote: »

To be fair SF have been calling for a lockdown this entire week

Of course they are, it's populist

overkill602

Runaways wrote: »

I don’t think that’s what was said or meant.

I think she’s broadly suggesting those corporations on tax holidays here should at least be paying the scant minimum they’re legally obliged to. Because they’re not even paying that. We’ve become a tax haven and avenue to pass massive amounts of money through unchecked. Not great for our reputation globally even if it suits a small few.

We are going to need these corporations a lot more than the potential incompetence that could come from sinn fine ira after this is finished some people will want job security we have no home grown industry or oil.

The bill for this will make there fantasy manifesto more a case of wishful thinking if it wasnt before

smurgen

overkill602 wrote: »

We are going to need these corporations a lot more than the potential incompetence that could come from sinn fine ira after this is finished some people will want job security we have no home grown industry or oil.

The bill for this will make there fantasy manifesto more a case of wishful thinking if it wasnt before

We had decades to get our act together and develop our own industry.the multinationals will lay everyone off again as is their right.ffg will use the pressure valve of emigration once again as sure as day follows night. Terrific job all round.

FrancieBrady

Phoebas wrote: »

Why were SF calling for measures that were contrary to those being asked for by the medical professionals at the time?

Maybe Louise O'Reilly knows better than Dr. Tony Holohan and his team!
Maybe SF were playing a dangerous game with people's lives by advocating a different course of action based on a political rather than a medical calculation.
Maybe this was the playing out of MLMD's 'the demographics will look after themselves' policy.

Some 'medical professionals'.

FrancieBrady

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Let's be clear on this FG have been guided by health experts throughout the crisis and not thankfully SF in this matter.

The lock down is not happening because of SF, it's happening because our health experts say it is the right thing to do at this time

To claim otherwise is disingenuous bs

It's fairly simple medicine and it doesn't take a rocket science to work out that a
lockdown is the right move at any time once community transfer begins.

ThunbergsAreGo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's fairly simple medicine and it doesn't take a rocket science to work out that a
lockdown is the right move at any time once community transfer begins.

We haven't had a situation like this in living memory. There isn't a set in stone "right" option

smurgen

all about the mane wrote: »

He wouldn't understand how government works. They have never been in power in the south. And they ran from it in the north so the lack of experience is showing.

You're no one to judge.you mind is still blown by long term government bonds.

Runaways

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

And? The health experts didn't think it was necessary at the time.

Maybe last week was the wrong time for it. Nobody knows.

It’s a moot point tbh

I’m in lower D7. Right by city center and it’s been a ghost town for two weeks now.
Normally insane for traffic but all dead like the most Sunday Christmas Day ever. Every day.
Would love to know how they’re going to try enforce this though

Robson99

Runaways wrote: »

To be fair SF have been calling for a lockdown this entire week

And if there was a lockdown in place last week the would have been saying that there was no requirement for one.
All I will say is thank **** they are not running this or no Health Care system would survive.
Time for them to shut the **** up complaining and support what's being done.

Phoebas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some 'medical professionals'.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's fairly simple medicine and it doesn't take a rocket science to work out that a
lockdown is the right move at any time once community transfer begins.

Jaysus Francie - thank God we have anonymous internet folk like you to tell us all about the 'fairly simple medicine'.

No need for the CMO or NPHET.

FrancieBrady

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

We haven't had a situation like this in living memory. There isn't a set in stone "right" option

Exactly...so you should be taking sensible advise. There was a mood in the country two weeks ago for this and it should have been done.

We also have relatively small numbers infected here but because successive governments have so depleted the health service we are facing capacity already.

We should have very 'humble' members of government as a result not arrogant...'what would you know' dictators.

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

Why were SF calling for measures that were contrary to those being asked for by the medical professionals at the time?

Maybe Louise O'Reilly knows better than Dr. Tony Holohan and his team!
Maybe SF were playing a dangerous game with people's lives by advocating a different course of action based on a political rather than a medical calculation.
Maybe this was the playing out of MLMD's 'the demographics will look after themselves' policy.

There was plenty of doctors telling the government to hurry up and lock it down.

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1237159133800955905?s=19

FrancieBrady

Phoebas wrote: »

Jaysus Francie - thank God we have anonymous internet folk like you to tell us all about the 'fairly simple medicine'.

No need for the CMO or NPHET.

There is a need for those agencies, as there is a need for all opinions. Of which 'mine' is just one.

ThunbergsAreGo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Exactly...so you should be taking sensible advise. There was a mood in the country two weeks ago for this and it should have been done.

We also have relatively small numbers infected here but because successive governments have so depleted the health service we are facing capacity already.

We should have very 'humble' members of government as a result not arrogant...'what would you know' dictators.

If by depleting you mean spending more and more money on it, then yes. A 500 percent increase since 1997.

I'm glad the government are taking advice from medical professionals and not "the country". Taking advice from "the country" would be pure populism, and not what we need more when hard decisions need to be taken.

Phoebas

Runaways wrote: »

Would love to know how they’re going to try enforce this though

The vast majority of people will simply abide by it, so it will not need enforcement for them.

The reason it's important that this is coming from the health professionals and not politicans is that you need more or less everyone on board for it to be successful.
SF going off script isn't helpful.

FrancieBrady

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

If by depleting you mean spending more and more money on it, then yes. A 500 percent increase since 1997.

I'm glad the government are taking advice from medical professionals and not "the country". Taking advice from "the country" would be pure populism, and not what we need more when hard decisions need to be taken.

They are taking advice from 'some medical professionals'. There is different opinions among medics and even specialists.

And why would I be talking about 'money'?

Inaction and incompetence has depleted the health service. Employing and listening to the 'wrong professionals' there as well.

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

The vast majority of people will simply abide by it, so it will not need enforcement for them.

The reason it's important that this is coming from the health professionals and not politicans is that you need more or less everyone on board for it to be successful.
SF going off script isn't helpful.

Going off script?in what sense?are they asking for things to be reopened or did I miss something?

Phoebas

smurgen wrote: »

There was plenty of doctors telling the government to hurry up and lock it down.

I'm sure you can find a hundred doctors with a hundred different opinions.

If only we could have a group of medical professionals in a leadership role who could look at the various options and come up with a plan that we could all follow together.

Phoebas

smurgen wrote: »

Going off script?in what sense?are they asking for things to be reopened or did I miss something?

They were asking for things to be closed contrary to the advise of the NPHET.

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

I'm sure you can find a hundred doctors with a hundred different opinions.

If only we could have a group of medical professionals in a leadership role who could look at the various options and come up with a plan that we could all follow together.

But they'll be swayed by those that hire them undoubtedly. Just look at trump in the U.S with Fauci and co.Do you agree that Harris not restricting flights from Northern Italy was a good or bad decision?

Runaways

Phoebas wrote: »

The vast majority of people will simply abide by it, so it will not need enforcement for them.

The reason it's important that this is coming from the health professionals and not politicans is that you need more or less everyone on board for it to be successful.
SF going off script isn't helpful.

Oh god

When did they go off script?
What script.
They were calling for full lockdown over a week ago and consistently since

smurgen

Runaways wrote: »

Oh god

When did they go off script?
What script.
They were calling for full lockdown over a week ago and consistently since

You don't get it. If you don't call for the exact thing the government and it's select group of doctors want at the exact time they want in and not a moment sooner then you're a dissident and a threat to the public.

Sultan_of_Ping

Phoebas wrote: »

The vast majority of people will simply abide by it, so it will not need enforcement for them.

The reason it's important that this is coming from the health professionals and not politicans is that you need more or less everyone on board for it to be successful.
SF going off script isn't helpful.

It would be better if SF kept quiet - they've spent decades telling people not to trust "the system" and as long trying to subvert the various authorities and institutions in the Republic and in the North. They can't undo that work among their followers and membership in a few weeks.

Plus, they literally have no expertise - leadership and progression in SF depends on ideological reliability, not inherent ability, which explains why they have what they have running their party.

smurgen

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

It would be better if SF kept quiet - they've spent decades telling people not to trust "the system" and as long trying to subvert the various authorities and institutions in the Republic and in the North. They can't undo that work among their followers and membership in a few weeks.

Plus, they literally have no expertise - leadership and progression in SF depends on ideological reliability, not inherent ability, which explains why they have what they have running their party.

Is that why Leo got the leadership ahead of coveney?