Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Blaze420

Is there anyone here either SF fans or not who dread to think what state we’d be in if they were in government now? It doesn’t even bare thinking about

Blaze420

Blaze420 wrote: »

Is there anyone here either SF fans or not who dread to think what state we’d be in if they were in government now? It doesn’t even bare thinking about

Sadly, we can see what SF did with the suicide crisis in NI. They collapsed the Assembly and played politics instead of putting their shoulder to wheel and tackling it.

It is genuinely stark when you see the figures for suicide in NI and realise that SF walked out of Government during it.

all about the mane

Yurt! wrote: »

What's your point? We're all aware of interest rates.

That was the whole point of the discussion! Ya know, the one you couldn’t help but jump into. Jesus wept...

Blaze420

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sadly, we can see what SF did with the suicide crisis in NI. They collapsed the Assembly and played politics instead of putting their shoulder to wheel and tackling it.

It is genuinely stark when you see the figures for suicide in NI and realise that SF walked out of Government during it.

Absolutely, because it doesn’t score them votes. Easier to cater to the rabble rabble low IQ classes than doing anything productive

Blaze420

Blaze420 wrote: »

Absolutely, because it doesn’t score them votes. Easier to cater to the rabble rabble low IQ classes than doing anything productive

I genuinely can't fathom how they could do it tbh.

I can kinda see their logic in not taking part in the Brexit debates in the UK parliament, even though I don't agree with it (it was too big an issue to not be involved in, imo) but to walk out of Government during a health crisis like suicide in the North is reprehensible. The Unionists are as bad.

NewRed2

The main reason SF got so many votes here was the electorates way of letting the big firm know that they weren't happy with them any more. It was a rebel vote (pun accidental). It was a way of saying yee two parties aren't cutting it so we'll look elsewhere, modern generation are like that, they won't just vote same party over and over again out of loyalty and they're right.
But at the same time, if the message has landed then it has served its purpose and I would back FF/FG to do a decent job now that the heat is on and SF will be hanting them from opposition benches so it's not a bad situation if this is how it pans out.
Martin has to be Taoiseach though, and he will. It's still not a bad result for SF either, they scored a morale victory and if they had taken power right now they wouldn't have coped with this crisis and it could have ruined their resurgence.
So all in all it's best for everyone imo.

Blaze420

NewRed2 wrote: »

The main reason SF got so many votes here was the electorates way of letting the big firm know that they weren't happy with them any more. It was a rebel vote (pun accidental). It was a way of saying yee two parties aren't cutting it so we'll look elsewhere, modern generation are like that, they won't just vote same party over and over again out of loyalty and they're right.
But at the same time, if the message has landed then it has served its purpose and I would back FF/FG to do a decent job now that the heat is on and SF will be hanting them from opposition benches so it's not a bad situation if this is how it pans out.
Martin has to be Taoiseach though, and he will. It's still not a bad result for SF either, they scored a morale victory and if they had taken power right now they wouldn't have coped with this crisis and it could have ruined their resurgence.
So all in all it's best for everyone imo.

There is no moral victory in scumbags voting for a party that will further insulate them in their scumbag ways, or the brainless youth using it as a protest vote to protest something they contribute **** all towards.

NewRed2

Blaze420 wrote: »

There is no moral victory in scumbags voting for a party that will further insulate them in their scumbag ways, or the brainless youth using it as a protest vote to protest something they contribute **** all towards.

Not a fan then?


Well they wont be in government this time round so you can sleep easy

FrancieBrady

With nearly 600 posts in this thread and the FG government finally getting around to the lockdown SF and others have been calling for...it is quite clear that SF have done anything but 'vanish'.

Discuss.

FarmerBrowne

Thankfully SF are not in power during this crisis and hopefully they will never be in power.

FarmerBrowne

Thankfully SF are not in power during this crisis and hopefully they will never be in power.

FarmerBrowne

Thankfully SF are not in power during this crisis and hopefully they will never be in power.

NewRed2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With nearly 600 posts in this thread and the FG government finally getting around to the lockdown SF and others have been calling for...it is quite clear that SF have done anything but 'vanish'.

Discuss.

I'll happily discuss it. The handling of this crisis has been reasonably good by FG. I think Mary Lou called for this total lock-down a few days ago and it happened tonight but I for one think they've done it all step by step and the timing is fine, especially with it being done on a Friday night to limit the disruption to businesses and payrolls.
Does Mary get brownie points for wanting something done the same day Boris requested it in the UK? Are yee pals again now?

tikkahunter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With nearly 600 posts in this thread and the FG government finally getting around to the lockdown SF and others have been calling for...it is quite clear that SF have done anything but 'vanish'.

Discuss.

Legislation takes time to bring in as does ramping up the resources to enforce it , it was always coming but has been brought in with a controlled fashion. You can’t just shout from the opposition and it happens. Stop playing the fool lad .

Hannibal

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

Thankfully SF are not in power during this crisis and hopefully they will never be in power.

Funny that, we've right wing parties in FG and FF who have dismantled the public service and health to the point it's on the verge of collapse (see ICU per 100k figures).


What does the right wing do in crisis? They turn to socialism and bring in a single tier health system, maybe SF and left were onto something all along by wanting to put people before money.

maccored

l'd nearly say 'no noes sf are horrible' just to stop the incessant whinging and goading. "FG are great, the shinners are crap - boys are we lucky they arent in charge now".

Right, now lets get back to the reality of trying to weather this storm with a suite of emergency services and staff who have been treated like **** and paid worse for the past few decades. We're at a **** starting point due to years of FF and FG incompetence so FG had better play a ****ing blinder now to make up for it.

FrancieBrady

NewRed2 wrote: »

I'll happily discuss it. The handling of this crisis has been reasonably good by FG. I think Mary Lou called for this total lock-down a few days ago and it happened tonight but I for one think they've done it all step by step and the timing is fine, especially with it being done on a Friday night to limit the disruption to businesses and payrolls.
Does Mary get brownie points for wanting something done the same day Boris requested it in the UK? Are yee pals again now?

An awful lot of running a country relies on judging the mood...for me, the majority mood was to lockdown long ago. But FG dithered on schools and pubs etc...so much so that pubs started closing despite them and FG very much so..caught up with the public.


Where would we be exactly without a decent opposition keeping the government on track and honest.

NewRed2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An awful lot of running a country relies on judging the mood...for me, the majority mood was to lockdown long ago. But FG dithered on schools and pubs etc...so much so that pubs started closing despite them and FG very much so..caught up with the public.


Where would we be exactly without a decent opposition keeping the government on track and honest.

Long ago? When did Mary call for lockdown? I heard her say it roughly 3 days ago. And let's be honest what happened was there was a partial lockdown and she asked for total. But the way it was handled was better because it happened in different stages instead of one night saying BANG.
So it gave us employers time to prepare and still it was confusing for us with payrolls and schemes but better than Mary wanted because if we had done it her way it would have been too sudden and caused a panic.
This way we're all half prepared already.


I'm no FG fan at all but I'll happily give credit where its due and they have handled this fairly well, nothing spectacular but decent nonetheless.
I'd be happier if an actual government is appointed soon and M-Martin is in control, Leo is too fond of the limelight and soundbites for me but I wouldn't have many complaints about how FG have done so far during this crisis.
SF will indeed be valuable from the benches, absolutely. But just for now that's the best place for them imo.

Junkyard Tom

I wrote before that after WWII the British population had witnessed how quickly 'conservatives/centrists' become profligate when it's an issue they care about like war or rescuing banks/businesses in our case.

I could well be that the 'centrists' that have shat the bed recently with the swing away from FG/FF will lose all bowel control after the next election.

Runaways

I’ve checked.

And the very same same people complaining endlessly about SF are the same people complaining about dole scroungers and free houses and welfare
FFG make this happen. Not SF.

So there it is. We all agree things cannot continue like this. FFG have created and continue to enable this ever worsening sh!t cycle we’re in on every level.

It’s time to do something else.

Can we all agree on that at least?

Otherwise you’re hypocrites.

NewRed2

Runaways wrote: »

I’ve checked.

And the very same same people complaining endlessly about SF are the same people complaining about dole scroungers and free houses and welfare
FFG make this happen. Not SF.

So there it is. We all agree things cannot continue like this. FFG have created and continue to enable this ever worsening sh!t cycle we’re in on every level.

It’s time to do something else.

Can we all agree on that at least?

Otherwise you’re hypocrites.

I don't know what you've checked. But just wee bit of advice, when you say everyone should agree with your view "or you're all hypocrites", that's exactly when people will disagree with you.

Runaways

NewRed2 wrote: »

I don't know what you've checked. But just wee bit of advice, when you say everyone should agree with your view "or you're all hypocrites", that's exactly when people will disagree with you.

People on this site will argue blue is red if you say red is red.
And I can send you their profiles and you can check for yourself.
Same rants about the people they don’t like across every single thread
On repeat. Ad nauseum.

Sultan_of_Ping

Hannibal wrote: »

Funny that, we've right wing parties in FG and FF who have dismantled the public service and health to the point it's on the verge of collapse (see ICU per 100k figures).


What does the right wing do in crisis? They turn to socialism and bring in a single tier health system, maybe SF and left were onto something all along by wanting to put people before money.

verge of collapse?

According to the OECD we've gained 6 years of life expectancy since 2000 and mortality from preventable causes is below the EU average, leading them to conclude that the system is "effective" - whether it's efficient is another question.

And looking at the admission stats there's still plenty of room for improvement if we can get primary and community care to work better than has thus far been the case.

ThunbergsAreGo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

With nearly 600 posts in this thread and the FG government finally getting around to the lockdown SF and others have been calling for...it is quite clear that SF have done anything but 'vanish'.

Discuss.

Let's be clear on this FG have been guided by health experts throughout the crisis and not thankfully SF in this matter.

The lock down is not happening because of SF, it's happening because our health experts say it is the right thing to do at this time

To claim otherwise is disingenuous bs

collywobble7

Neither FF or FG are right wing. The way this term is bandied around it has lost all meaning. There are NO right wing parties in Ireland... unfortunately.
The nonsense posted on this forum is unbelievable. RIP critical thinking

collywobble7

Runaways wrote:

Can we all agree on that at least?

Yes..but SF would make it far worse looking after their voter base. Can we all agree on that aswell.

collywobble7

Hannibal wrote:

What does the right wing do in crisis? They turn to socialism and bring in a single tier health system, maybe SF and left were onto something all along by wanting to put people before money.

Bravo on the over simplification of what is a massively complex situation. Mind blown

Annasopra

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The EU will decide the Apple case not Ireland. We will be owed a healthy amount of it if the EU decides to take the money. If they do decide to take it then Apple will have to accept that.
Corporations have to fulfill their tax obligations like everybody else, they cannot hold countries to ransom.

Mary Lou said we can access the apple money right now. Thats a lie.

Runaways

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Let's be clear on this FG have been guided by health experts throughout the crisis and not thankfully SF in this matter.

The lock down is not happening because of SF, it's happening because our health experts say it is the right thing to do at this time

To claim otherwise is disingenuous bs

To be fair SF have been calling for a lockdown this entire week

Runaways

collywobble7 wrote: »

Yes..but SF would make it far worse looking after their voter base. Can we all agree on that aswell.

Who do FFG look after?

Cos it’s not even their base or the ‘early risers’