Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

theballz

opinionated3 wrote: »

As much and all as I want to see the pub's open both for the social aspect and for those employed/ depending on them for their income, the vibes today aren't looking good. Looks like restaurants might be allowed open but not wet pub's. Gonna be the quietest Christmas I'll ever experience I reckon ☹️

where are you reading this?

Gervais08

seannash wrote: »

It may surprise some but I would love them open at Christmas. Christmas eve in a pub is a massive tradition for me and all my mates and whilst we don't see each other as much during the year anymore its always a fantastic catch-up.
New years day is unreal as well, Would love to be able to do that this year as well.
But I will accept they might not open and not revel in decisions that dont follow scientific recommendations. If they do open I'll weigh up whether or not the risk is worth it to me personally based on people I will be in contact with over the holidays (Elderly relatives, at risk friends)

I've worked in pubs since I was 13 and only stopped working at the weekends in a pub 4 months before lock-down.
People can be supportive of pubs yet acknowledge the reality of the situation we are in and what steps need to take place to combat it.

That’s a great point - and I never left the house for ten days before visits to my dad in his home because I wanted to manage and minimize risk.

However, not everyone thought the same and the home had a massive outbreak that infected 80% plus and killed 4 including my dad.

Open pubs with every single safety measure they have in place and choose to go in - but if you choose not to, great but people should have choice.

hynesie08

theballz wrote: »

where are you reading this?

The indo have an article up behind a pay wall, hoping some kind soul c+p's it here....

Chalk McHugh

Dublin is going to be buzzing next Tuesday i would imagine. Looks like indoor drinking is going to be allowed. Wet pubs maybe not but to be honest that 9e meal rule and 95 mins farce was not enforced in three pubs i frequented in the city before lockdown. It was in about six others i was in but wasn't a big deal. I'm already making plans for Tuesday. I will toast the Nphet Misery Merchants for my first drink. It's going to be a good one.

seannash

Gervais08 wrote: »

That’s a great point - and I never left the house for ten days before visits to my dad in his home because I wanted to manage and minimize risk.

However, not everyone thought the same and the home had a massive outbreak that infected 80% plus and killed 4 including my dad.

Open pubs with every single safety measure they have in place and choose to go in - but if you choose not to, great but people should have choice.

I think you may be misrepresenting my position slightly.
My belief is that they should remain closed but if the decision is made to open I may entertain the idea of going to one but I do not believe that people are as responsible as you or I which has been demonstrated when they were open.
Quoting my friend who manages a very popular bar in my hometown that opened up when they got the go ahead "The older generation are grand but the young ones are an absolute disgrace when it comes to adhering to the rules"
Just like you are looking for your personal circumstances to be considered in the decision of opening you have to acknowledge other peoples attitudes to restrictions must be considered and with the amount of people who I see reveling in the fact they wont wear a mask in a shop there is a sizeable amount of people who simply will not follow the rules.

SB71

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Dublin is going to be buzzing next Tuesday i would imagine. Looks like indoor drinking is going to be allowed. Wet pubs maybe not but to be honest that 9e meal rule and 95 mins farce was not enforced in three pubs i frequented in the city before lockdown. It was in about six others i was in but wasn't a big deal. I'm already making plans for Tuesday. I will toast the Nphet Misery Merchants for my first drink. It's going to be a good one.

surely they cant have this 105 minutes rubbish again, absolute and utter lunacy of the highest order, the garda instead of out catching criminals doing patrols of the pubs to check people are eating the covid meal and to check they havent gone over the 105 minutes because the virus will strike if you do, you honestly couldnt write better script if you tried.:rolleyes:

Open the fcukin pubs as normal

SB71

Tony Holohan has the dubious honour as being the most hated man in the country, he literally went from hero to zero in the space of a couple of months, the vast majority detest him for that he is doing to this country, economy wrecker, putting people on the dole,etc,etc.

Chalk McHugh

SB71 wrote: »

surely they cant have this 105 minutes rubbish again, absolute and utter lunacy of the highest order, the garda instead of out catching criminals doing patrols of the pubs to check people are eating rthe covid meal and to check they havent gone over the 105 minutes because the virus will strike if you do, you honestly couldnt write better script if you tried.:rolleyes:

Open the fcukin pubs as normal

Thats my point..They pretty much were normal for me anyway. Wont name them on here but it was all systems go for three pubs/hotels around the O Connel.St, Parnell St, Dorset St and Ballybough area. Another one close to Connolly Station. And one on Abbey St. I had a few good sessions. I presume it will be the same again.

fleet_admiral

On of the main sticking points between the LVA and the department of justice is the proposed 10 o clock closing time. Its counterproductive as its Xmas and will mean countless house parties

SB71

Ireland as it stands has the 3rd lowest 14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100,000 in all of Europe yet these absolute ghouls in NPHET want us to continue in lockdown without offering up a shred of evidence why society should not be opened with the correct safety protocols in place.

I can't stand this spineless government, but ill have some respect for them if they ignore these unelected ghouls in NPHET and go to level 2,sadly cant see it happening.


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

SB71

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Thats my point..They pretty much were normal for me anyway. Wont name them on here but it was all systems go for three pubs/hotels around the O Connel.St, Parnell St, Dorset St and Ballybough area. Another one close to Connolly Station. And one on Abbey St. I had a few good sessions. I presume it will be the same again.

i know of at least 2 pubs your referring to mate, nice one enjoy the gargle, cant wait for a session with the lads

SB71

fleet_admiral wrote: »

On of the main sticking points between the LVA and the department of justice is the proposed 10 o clock closing time. Its counterproductive as its Xmas and will mean countless house parties

Agreed it's ridicalous, but at this stage id take it, anything to escape constanly sitting in which is soul destroying.

CIARAN_BOYLE

SB71 wrote: »

Ireland as it stands has the 3rd lowest 14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100,000 in all of Europe yet these absolute ghouls in NPHET want us to continue in lockdown without offering up a shred of evidence why society should not be opened with the correct safety protocols in place.

I can't stand this spineless government, but ill have some respect for them if they ignore these unelected ghouls in NPHET and go to level 2,sadly cant see it happening.


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

So you celebrate that we made smart decisions to have the 3rd lowest incidence rate in europe and you want us to do something similar to the rest of europe and open up too fast leading us to a new lockdown over Christmas.

Sensible relaxation of restrictions please

Get the most vulnerable vaccinated and when we open up let's open up for good.

Chalk McHugh

SB71 wrote: »

i know of at least 2 pubs your referring to mate, nice one enjoy the gargle, cant wait for a session with the lads

And we could still practise some personal responsiblity. Usually no more than 3 or 4 at a table. Sometimes just two. And on my own at other times for a while. One of the places has a massive outdoor beer garden out the back, another you could sit out front on the path a small beer garden, another left the front door open so plenty ventilation and clean air. Every place had hand washing facilities and no one went the jacks at the same time. No one was roaring or singing. I still dont know anyone who got covid. Get them doors back open and let us have some social interaction.

SB71

If we get the good news we're hoping for then i can see loads going out for a right session on the Tuesday and taking the Wednesday off work ,the anti pub brigade and misery merchants can sit at home cursing to themselves :pac::D

El_Duderino 09

Gervais08 wrote: »

It is when you don't have it.

Ok. Maybe you've been proactive in pursuing new ways of socialising, maybe you've been sitting about waiting for pubs to reopen.

SB71

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And we could still practise some personal responsiblity. Usually no more than 3 or 4 at a table. Sometimes just two. And on my own at other times for a while. One of the places has a massive outdoor beer garden out the back, another you could sit out front on the path a small beer garden, another left the front door open so plenty ventilation and clean air. Every place had hand washing facilities and no one went the jacks at the same time. No one was roaring or singing. I still dont know anyone who got covid. Get them doors back open and let us have some social interaction.

Exactly,all pubs are safe controlled environments, any pubs ive been in everyone was sitting down enjoying the pints there was no up dancing on tables or anything of the sort, but the anti pub brigade would try and say differently, numerous times ive asked for them to produce evidence that pubs were the cause of a spike in cases and im still waiting so i gave up, it's like trying to have a conversation with a brick wall with these people.

Degag

SB71 wrote: »

Tony Holohan has the dubious honour as being the most hated man in the country, he literally went from hero to zero in the space of a couple of months, the vast majority detest him for that he is doing to this country, economy wrecker, putting people on the dole,etc,etc.

Eh, i don’t think that’s in any way correct. I think the vast majority of people recognise the extraordinary effort he has put in, often in the face of personal worries. Things are hard for alot of people but i don’t think they blame him for it.

If they did.... well i have a certain opinion of them that i’ll just leave there.

SB71

Degag wrote: »

Eh, i don’t think that’s in any way correct. I think the vast majority of people recognise the extraordinary effort he has put in, often in the face of personal worries. Things are hard for alot of people but i don’t think they blame him for it.

If they did.... well i have a certain opinion of them that i’ll just leave there.

Eh no i think you'll find this is correct, anyone ive spoken to cant stand him, you only have to look at the comments section on social media news pages,etc , the vast majority are cursing Holohan, this wouldnt have been the case a few months ago, the man is an absolute prophet of doom, a ghoul if there ever was one and dont even get me started about the cervical check scandal, i guarantee you if he had to survive on a pandemic payment you'd see a completely different attitiude from him, but he has a very comfortable existence on his huge 6 figure salary and nice house and car.

Degag

SB71 wrote: »

Eh no i think you'll find this is correct, anyone ive spoken to cant stand him, you only have to look at the comments section on social media, the vast majority are cursing Holohan, this wouldnt have been the case a few months ago, the man is an absolute prophet of doom, a ghoul if there ever was one and dont even get me started about the cervical check scandal, i guarantee you if he had to survive on a pandemic payment you'd see a completely different attitiude from him, but he has a very comfortable existence on his huge 6 figure salary and nice house and car.

I guess you are right. I’ll form my opinions based on the comments on SM posts going forward.

They absolutely form the basis of the opinions of the rest of the country.

PTH2009

So hard to feel confident in anyway

One minute a government official will come out and say 'pubs look likely too open' and then another min we get bloody MM come out with 'i don't think will open, I meet old pals once a year and with the circumstances of the year that will not happen' or another load of waffle

We all now Dr Tony/NPHETs stance on Xmas/pubs

SB71

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

So you celebrate that we made smart decisions to have the 3rd lowest incidence rate in europe and you want us to do something similar to the rest of europe and open up too fast leading us to a new lockdown over Christmas.

Sensible relaxation of restrictions please

Get the most vulnerable vaccinated and when we open up let's open up for good.

And im sure you can produce proof to show that pubs are the cause of a spike in cases, ill happily retract my comments if you can.

Are you ok with more and more people being put on the dole for good, because if pubs dont open for christmas then many pubs will close for good, my pown locak might be one of them and ill be absolutelty gutted for the owner and his long serving staff and all the locals who ive got to know very well over the years.

The only part of your comment i agree with is get the most vulnerable vaccinated

seannash

SB71 wrote: »

Ireland as it stands has the 3rd lowest 14-day cumulative number of COVID-19 cases per 100,000 in all of Europe yet these absolute ghouls in NPHET want us to continue in lockdown without offering up a shred of evidence why society should not be opened with the correct safety protocols in place.

I can't stand this spineless government, but ill have some respect for them if they ignore these unelected ghouls in NPHET and go to level 2,sadly cant see it happening.


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

How do you think they got the 3rd lowest. Did restrictions have anything to do with it?
The failure to connect the dots is staggering to say the least

SB71

Degag wrote: »

I guess you are right. I’ll form my opinions based on the comments on SM posts going forward.

They absolutely form the basis of the opinions of the rest of the country.

you do as you like mate, im not a huge fan of social media myself but these are still people who are comenting and from what ive been seeing the last 2 months especialy people have totally lost any faith they might have once had in NPHET.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

So hard to feel confident in anyway

One minute a government official will come out and say 'pubs look likely too open' and then another min we get bloody MM come out with 'i don't think will open, I meet old pals once a year and with the circumstances of the year that will not happen' or another load of waffle

We all now Dr Tony/NPHETs stance on Xmas/pubs

Do we? I know the man's name from the cervical scandal, can't say as I've ever heard his opinions on Christmas...... Is he in favour of opening the pyjamas as the Christmas eve present? Does he prefer an early or late dinner? Eastenders or coronation street? Roses or quality street......

Is there a yearly history of him trying to shut down pubs at Christmas......

I'm no fan of the man, but it's funny how people who couldn't pick him out of a lineup know his innermost thoughts and opinions.

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

So hard to feel confident in anyway

One minute a government official will come out and say 'pubs look likely too open' and then another min we get bloody MM come out with 'i don't think will open, I meet old pals once a year and with the circumstances of the year that will not happen' or another load of waffle

We all now Dr Tony/NPHETs stance on Xmas/pubs

What do you actually expect him to say??

Hes making the point that we can't go around meeting loads of people in the pub like we do at Christmas.

He never said he doesn't think they'll open, what he said is we can't have packed pubs as we have every Christmas. He's not wrong there

It looks like middle ground will be reached which is better than nothing.

BringBackMick

I have a feeling the restaurants wont be opened until 14 December

CIARAN_BOYLE

SB71 wrote: »

And im sure you can produce proof to show that pubs are the cause of a spike in cases, ill happily retract my comments if you can.

Are you ok with more and more people being put on the dole for good, because if pubs dont open for christmas then many pubs will close for good, my pown locak might be one of them and ill be absolutelty gutted for the owner and his long serving staff and all the locals who ive got to know very well over the years.

The only part of your comment i agree with is get the most vulnerable vaccinated

1. You called for level 2. Not for the pubs to opened.
2. Of course I donr have proof. Our contact tracing system doesnt generate any sort of proof unless you know everyone you were in contact with. Therefore it's designed not to generate proof of pub related transmissions. It does make sense that there are spikes in pubs.
3 If we go to level 2 the R number will rise. Significantly given that the R number will rise naturally over christmas. The vintners were out last week saying that opening and closing would be worse than staying closed. If we open up at level 2 we could be permanently closing a lot of pubs when a new lockdown comes.

What I want here is a lockdown that let's us open up and not have to close again. With 3 vaccines showing good news we know this whole thing is on the way out. Let's get over the line without lockdown 3.

SB71

seannash wrote: »

How do you think they got the 3rd lowest. Did restrictions have anything to do with it?
The failure to connect the dots is staggering to say the least

Level 3 was working fine, there was no need whatsoever to go to level 5 which has only put more people out of work and another huge hit to the ecomony, ive asked numerous people on here to produce eveidence to show that pubs are the cause of a spike in cases and not once has anyone offered up any proof because they cant because there is none, these absolute ghouls in NHPET have blamed pubs and travel from the outset, Holohan and his lackeys seem to be fixated on keeping the country in lockdown for as long as possible,every evening get your daily dose of misery from Tony and friends.

SB71

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

1. You called for level 2. Not for the pubs to opened.
2. Of course I donr have proof. Our contact tracing system doesnt generate any sort of proof unless you know everyone you were in contact with. Therefore it's designed not to generate proof of pub related transmissions. It does make sense that there are spikes in pubs.
3 If we go to level 2 the R number will rise. Significantly given that the R number will rise naturally over christmas. The vintners were out last week saying that opening and closing would be worse than staying closed. If we open up at level 2 we could be permanently closing a lot of pubs when a new lockdown comes.

What I want here is a lockdown that let's us open up and not have to close again. With 3 vaccines showing good news we know this whole thing is on the way out. Let's get over the line without lockdown 3.

Can you predict the future mate, how do you know all of this for sure,nothing is set in stone in life.

That's a major failing on the governments behalf to add to the list of monumental fcup ups during their shockingly bad tunure, no proper track and trace system in place and 9 months later still no sign of it, with NPHET though it's all a blame game, and pubs and foreign travel have always been something they seem fixated with.

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever why pubs and restautrants cant open for good with the proper safety protocols in place, why are some people so fixated with demonising pubs,with ghouls like Holohan and the clout he has pubs are always goimg to be massively up against it in order just to trade and make a living, no problem people pubs going out of business to him on his huge salary