CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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statesaver wrote: »

Do they have the power to do that ?

It wasn't an order, it was a recommendation.

PhoenixParker

statesaver wrote: »

Do they have the power to do that ?

They can presumably apply sanctions related to membership of the association for anyone refusing to close.

They can't send the Gards in.

lak

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

How do people see this ending? I just don't see how it completely "dies out"

With a vaccine. Imo, near everyone will get it as we are not prepared to go to extremes to prevent it from spreading. Thankfully for most people the physical /health aspect will be of little concern for themselves but for those at risk this is serious hence the stance the government is starting to take, spread it out so those most at risk can be looked after property.

Syncpolice

dan786 wrote: »

All IMC Cinemas closing from tomorrow.

Wouldn't they be more prudent to announce immediate closure rather than have people rushing to catch a last minute movie

citysights

Gods Gift wrote: »

God help us if there’s ever a diarrhoea pandemic.

Yeah this toilet paper thing is crazy...

RurtBeynolds

I see mass is on rte. Everyone drinking from the same communion cup.

Who needs a bit of cop on when you got god on your side eh?

Snow Garden

when do you think the airport in Ireland will be shut?

bobbysands81

Apparently emails from DPER to all Govt Depts doing the rounds asking for Civil Servants to voluntarily transfer to Dept of Health to assist with contact tracing and other roles.

kalkat2002

Will goverment help creche business...
A lof parents won't be able to pay them and this looks lasting for long time

nthclare

citysights wrote: »

Yeah this toilet paper thing is crazy...

One sheet, wipe, fold over wipe again

Coillte_Bhoy

statesaver wrote: »

Do they have the power to do that ?

No and not every pub is a memeber anyway

namloc1980

kalkat2002 wrote: »

Will goverment help creche business...
A lof parents won't be able to pay them and this looks lasting for long time

Let's be honest, the government can't help every industry. They give money to the creches, then someone else will look for money etc

Longing

Reuters: China tightens Quarantine has cases pick up.

imfml

A good read here about how social distancing works. Click Browse to bypass the pay wall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

caveat emptor

RandomName2 wrote: »

The guy says that if everyone stayed at home for 4 weeks and then reemerged there would be a resurgence of the virus.

If everyone actually stayed at home for 4 weeks there would be no more virus.

My main objection to the 'let 60% of the population get infected idea" is that it not only flies in the face of common sense, but it is not the approach taken in Thailand, Taiwan, or Vietnam.

These three countries can virtually considered to be free of covid-19. Taiwan and Vietnam together have less cases than Ireland. If it wasn't for people coming into Vietnam from Europe (that basket case) they would have had no new cases for weeks.

For any government to come up with a plan that doesn't emulate at least one of the Asiatic countries (excluding Japan), you'd need to have an awfully good reason. The UK's reason seems to be the advise of experts, who happen to disagree with other experts.

This is not some arbitrary argument by the way. The UK's policy directly impacts us, and the rest of Europe, in this regard.

It's a red herring to dress up economy over people. Their own expert virologists question it. The cold is a coronavirus, nobody is immune to it and reinfection is commonplace. They are playing for time, like everyone.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1238871548540456971?s=20

Fakediamond

le_girl wrote: »

Quick question, maybe someone has an idea.

In the case of a lockdown, is the postal service still likely to be running? I run a small online business and send orders three times a week. I've stocked up on supplies and stamps. I can fit then in any post box, they're just envelopes so I won't need to go to the post office, just run up the street to the nearest box.

I know this isn't a life or death question but if I can keep my business going during this it would make a big difference to me.

I heard that in Italy it's still running but I'm guessing not an efficiently as normal.

I’d say that will be ok. I think most of us will still be going to work, just not socialising or congregating in public places.

Spook_ie

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Vallance's argument has no logic.

It would mean permanent isolation for at risk categories due to the year in year out nature of it.

And it would mean permant isolation of the UK because no-one will travel there or accept visitors from there.

Its a nice idea in theory, unworkable in practice.

Funsterdelux wrote: »

In a closed system indeed, they ll have to self isolate the country!

What makes you say there's no logic, to be protected from CoVid19 you need to either

A have an immunity to it from having caught and survived it
Or
B have an immunity to if from having been vaccinated

UK, Ireland and the rest of the world will still be in the same boat in that anyone not exposed or vaccinated will still be at risk.

greenfield21

patnor1011 wrote: »

This whole situation show how whole idea of european union is crashing all around us. Absolutely no word from Brussels, first thing they did was to suspend parliament and basically shut down the shop.
It seems that it is now every state for themselves. Every state taking different approach and measures.

Ah here, you can't be saying that. You're only allowed bash the UK and trump on this thread.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-eu-abandoning-italy-china-aid/

thelad95

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No and not every pub is a memeber anyway

Surely this is inevitably going to come from the government? As has been learned in Italy and Spain, you can't put trust in people's common sense and implied responsibility to contain the virus. It has to be a firm directive saying shut the f'n place down.

PinkyKaloo

nthclare wrote: »

One sheet, wipe, fold over wipe again

Use both sides

is_that_so

patnor1011 wrote: »

This whole situation show how whole idea of european union is crashing all around us. Absolutely no word from Brussels, first thing they did was to suspend parliament and basically shut down the shop.
It seems that it is now every state for themselves. Every state taking different approach and measures.

Public health policies in individual states are not a Commission competence, they have no influence over it. Individual states are using ECDC and WHO advice as they see fit.

nthclare

RurtBeynolds wrote: »

I see mass is on rte. Everyone drinking from the same communion cup.

Who needs a bit of cop on when you got god on your side eh?

Ohhh don't start me about that abrahamic sand demon from the middle East which people call god, the most psychopathic, evil and vile entity to ever come to our shores.

Hail Lucifer the one who gives us free will and brings us to the light.

wellwhynot

beolight wrote: »

Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) Tweeted:
Germany has c. 25,000 intensive care beds equipped with ventilators.
France has 5,065 intensive care beds equipped with ventilators.
Why does Germany have five times more?
All of a sudden this matters!
@TobiasBuckFT @davideghiglione
https://t.co/tpcdcm1uRH https://t.co/0JkkdUN2wK


We need some journalists to ask Minister Harris how many ventilators do we have?
Looking at that chart Andorra has better facilities than us

It was estimated we have 250 - 300. I will find the article. I posted a graph showing we have one of the lowest levels of ICU beds in Europe per capita.

Our tax rate is similar to Germany, is it not? The HSE needs to be shaken up after this. Too much money spent on admin.

Fingers Mcginty

nthclare wrote: »

One sheet, wipe, fold over wipe again

You're obviously not partial to Indian cuisine

Computer Science Student

Are they closing cafes too ? It's a bit hypocritical if we are slating small pubs in rural ireland for staying open when cafes / restaurants in the city centre remain open holding much larger crowds.

Rob A. Bank

RandomName2 wrote: »

The guy says that if everyone stayed at home for 4 weeks and then reemerged there would be a resurgence of the virus.

If everyone actually stayed at home for 4 weeks there would be no more virus.

My main objection to the 'let 60% of the population get infected idea" is that it not only flies in the face of common sense, but it is not the approach taken in Thailand, Taiwan, or Vietnam.

These three countries can virtually considered to be free of covid-19. Taiwan and Vietnam together have less cases than Ireland. If it wasn't for people coming into Vietnam from Europe (that basket case) they would have had no new cases for weeks.

For any government to come up with a plan that doesn't emulate at least one of the Asiatic countries (excluding Japan), you'd need to have an awfully good reason. The UK's reason seems to be the advise of experts, who happen to disagree with other experts.

This is not some arbitrary argument by the way. The UK's policy directly impacts us, and the rest of Europe, in this regard.

Agreed... It affects us far more than the others in Europe.

While we try to reduce spread as much as possible, north of the border they are trying to infect at least 60% of the population !

Unbelievable !

is_that_so

thelad95 wrote: »

Surely this is inevitably going to come from the government? As has been learned in Italy and Spain, you can't put trust in people's common sense and implied responsibility to contain the virus. It has to be a firm directive saying shut the f'n place down.

No not exactly, from the DoH.

Living Off The Splash

https://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

Waiting for the pub to open?

patnor1011

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The EU is not crashing down around us.

Not the EU. Try to read slowly. The idea of unity and solidarity is crashing. EU closed down the shop in case you did not notice. Apart from badmouthing Poland and Czech republic that they closed borders.

is_that_so

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No and not every pub is a memeber anyway

It sounds more like a "calling on all members" piece of advice.