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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How do people calculate the death rate?
    Obviously including active cases wouldn't be a great way as we have no way of knowing how many will die.
    But if you only base it on the recovered, the opposite happens. We have no way of knowing how many active will recover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭autumnbelle




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Americans starting to panic



    Have to say that is crazy, America is led by an irrational idiot and you can now see why.I think this virus is really going to have a big impact on the USA, much bigger then Europe. Their health care system will be tested to the limit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Anyone know the estimate date that the Clare doctor arrived back from Italy?

    Don't know. But I am calling bullsh*t on any possible HSE claims they have traced all his contacts. And even if they did, it was too late to prevent its spread.

    The doctor and HSE are seriously culpable. Advising people not to be concerned and to isolate only if they display symptoms was really bad advice. We've known from the start that people can spread the virus before symptoms show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    So cancelling a couple of flights a day to a highly infected region which currently accounts for 12 of our 13 cases and puts us at risk of a rampant outbreak is damaging our economy?

    Let me see? Cancel a couple of flights, or wait until our entire economy is ruined? I know which is the smarter option.

    Up to last week I would have said it was safe enough to go ahead with St. Patricks Day parades. Unfortunately after the cases coming in from Italy, we no longer know who is potentially infected, and cancelling parades is probably the safest option.

    And still we have cheap and easy access for people to and from the infected region including Italian rugby fans.
    I would always argue against over reaction but at this stage I think looking at flights to Northern Italy should be something to consider. Even a government scheme to reimburse people who have already booked holidays if insurance won't pay out. Might be cheaper in the long run.
    St.Patricks day parade could also be cancelled at this stage IMO


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    khalessi wrote: »
    The really annoying thing is that the above has been said repeatedly on this thread and still people harp on about the flu/ car accidents/ smoking etc.

    its not the flu or any of those things and I get that thinking of it as the flu might help people cope but this is different it is early days with it.

    Wash your hands and buckle up as this hasnt even hit bad times yet.
    I think people just read flu-like symptoms and assume "oh it's just the flu" either way even as a healthy adult the flu ****ing sucks. I'm just after getting over a bout from last week. Wouldn't wish that on anybody. 4 days essentially lost because I couldn't do a thing due to fever, lack of energy and very high resting heart rates, easy to see how those more susceptible to it would be seriously affected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Good observation. That's because those who died were in high risk categories (lived in tenements / poverty / squalor) and our imperial master didn't give a ****.

    Not comparable but good attempt to shift the Overton window.

    Don't ban flights just accept that from now on you have a higher probability of contracting a potentially life changing illness.


    Many who died then were strong fit and well fed. Stop the Italian flights now!


    There are groups of Italians roaming about Dublin now because the match was cancelled. It is almost a certainty that some of these are infected..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    This has been lost in the clamour for flights to be banned. On 31 January Italy banned flights from China. They had two confirmed cases at the time, two Chinese tourists. Their third case was on 6 February, an Italian repatriated from Wuhan. On 21 February they had 20 cases and we know the story since.

    Doesn't this indicate that banning flights is somewhat pointless?

    So they shouldn't have any problem with flights from Italy being banned!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Urquell


    294 days until Christmas

    Jesus, NOW Im stressed !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    Mad for the Jacks roll


    They need lots of toilet rolls as they are full of ****.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    What a surprise. Americans tend to be very thick and easily influenced.
    The abundance of post-apocalyptic entertainment also feeds it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Covid19 - 6% death rate
    Influenza - 0.05% death rate


    you just can't compare the two at all


    Thats the percentage derived from cases that are known about and then recovered. Throw in unknown cases and its lower than that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭str8talkingguy


    The big winners in all this,Tech companies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I told someone who was worrying themselves into a heap about this the other day - why is it that the people who are least informed about the virus are the ones panicking the most about it, whereas the people who are the most informed about it (ie: doctors, health professionals etc) are panicking the least?

    Do people worry themselves stupid every flu season? Does the thought of catching a bad cold keep them up at night? The smallest amount of common sense on everyones part will keep this largely contained.


    Actually medical personnel are trained to not look like they are worrying when they are. I was trained to walk quickly not run when responding to a cardiac arrest so as not to instill panic. We don't cry telling bad news to patients, we are calm. There are lots of situations where we mask out feelings so not to alarm patient family or friends.

    But looking at some of the health professionals on tv over last few days they look worried to me and I know speaking to others that they are concerned but they arent in roles of power so what can they do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Thats the percentage derived from cases that are known about and then recovered. Throw in unknown cases and its lower than that.
    Death rate in South Korea which has handled this excellently is 0.6% which is probably a fairer reflection. Still a lot higher than the flu, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    The absolute c*nts at British Airways won't refund my friend's tickets for her honeymoon in Japan. She wants to cancel but if she does so, she'll lose all the money she paid, in addition to losing her annual leave and having her honeymoon wrecked.

    What a vile company they are. Staff members testing positive and they're still forcing to people to fly or lose all their money.

    Slightly off topic but when my mother passed away a few years ago when I was due to travel on a multi-leg trip, my travel insurance squirmed out of it (she had a pre-existing illness), the hotels wouldn't refund, Air Canada wouldn't refund for the internal Canadian flight I booked with them, but British Airways were extremely helpful, the staff I spoke to showed a lot of empathy, and they fully refunded me for my transatlantic flights.

    There's no travel advice against Japan right now and just because 2 out of their 45 thousand employees are sick doesn't mean all their customers have an instant right to a full refund - if airlines start doing this they'll all be out of business in weeks. It's an unfortunate situation for your friend but if they wait it out and government advice is issued they may still get a refund. Or if not then they could always just go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,374 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I told someone who was worrying themselves into a heap about this the other day - why is it that the people who are least informed about the virus are the ones panicing the most about it, whereas the people who are the most informed about it (ie: doctors, health professionals etc) are panicing the least?
    Do people worry themselves stupid every flu season? Does the thought of catching a bad cold keep them up at night? The smallest amount of common sense on everyones part will keep this largely contained.

    First of all I reject the premise of your post with the word 'panic'.
    But common sense in many people is in short supply full stop when it comes to personal hygiene so there is concern about them spreading it.

    Random thoughts in response to this:
    How many current doctors and health professionals are in the high risk categories? Why would they be concerned?

    Did they panic in China when they sent an army of medical staff and equipment into battle against the virus in Wuhan-Hubei?

    How many current doctors and health professionals are even aware of what happened in Wuhan? Should they be concerned?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Thats the percentage derived from cases that are known about and then recovered. Throw in unknown cases and its lower than that.

    And how many cases of the flu are never reported? I for one have never gone to the doctor the 2 times in my life I've had the flu.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    Americans starting to panic

    That guy with the mask sounds really out of breath, either he’s been fighting people for the nappies or wearing masks is actually pretty hard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Thats the percentage derived from cases that are known about and then recovered. Throw in unknown cases and its lower than that.

    Very true, it will take a very long time to figure out the true fatality rate of COVID-19


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,374 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats the percentage derived from cases that are known about and then recovered. Throw in unknown cases and its lower than that.

    Maybe. On the other hand, how many unknown cases of flu do we have?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    It is shocking that someone could post such a question 2 months later.
    I guess we're not all glued to the interweb awaiting the next headline. I wonder, is that why they took my temperature getting off the plane in Bratislava last week? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Don't know. But I am calling bullsh*t on any possible HSE claims they have traced all his contacts. And even if they did, it was too late to prevent its spread.

    The doctor and HSE are seriously culpable. Advising people not to be concerned and to isolate only if they display symptoms was really bad advice. We've known from the start that people can spread the virus before symptoms show.


    This only.



    Can't really blame him he was following protocols besides do we want others afraid to come forward by blaming them personally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    The big winners in all this,Tech companies.

    Expand on this please.

    From where im sitting, Tech companies Share Prices are dropping through the floor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    There has been 148 deaths in Italy in the past few weeks. This is way worse than the flu.

    No it's not. 4 year study period here. Average 17k deaths per annum.

    So it's still 16,852 deaths less worse than the flu.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    First of all I reject the premise of your post with the word 'panic'.

    Random thoughts in response to this:
    How many current doctors and health professionals are in the high risk categories? Why would they be concerned?

    Did they panic in China when they sent an army of medical staff and equipment into battle against the virus in Wuhan-Hubei?

    How many current doctors and health professionals are even aware of what happened in Wuhan? Should they be concerned?

    I visited my GP this afternoon. Nice fella. Desperately worried.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    joe40 wrote: »
    I would always argue against over reaction but at this stage I think looking at flights to Northern Italy should be something to consider.

    Why only now, when it could well be too late? Surely flights from Northern Italy should have been cancelled as soon as it became clear that region was a major hotspot for the disease, if it was going to be done at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    From The Guardian feed @14.06 today
    In Koblenz, a city in western Germany, 1400 emergency care doctors and emergency care staff have been meeting for a “Corona Conference” and have warned against the growing hysteria surrounding the virus.

    Jörg Brokmann, the congress president, said: “What we have is not a medical situation, we have a political situation”.

    Brokmann said that Corona, or Covid-19 illnesses, were, “looked at closely, a somewhat severe case of flu, which was relatively mild for most patients.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Covid19 - 6% death rate
    Influenza - 0.05% death rate


    you just can't compare the two at all

    The 6% death rate is not certain yet and I wasn't exactly comparing the 2 diseases.
    I was comparing the apathy from large numbers in relation to the flu vaccine, compared to the panic caused by this virus. Both are deadly diseases in vulnerable populations


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