Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Beasty

6 cases already in the Republic, 3 in the North. I fully expect temperatures to rise but would request everyone pays attention to the mod warnings carried over from earlier threads and set out below. In particular please remain civil to each other

First thread

Thread II

Thread III

Mod warnings:

Beasty wrote: »

OK, time to step in with some mod instructions:

1. Please interact in a civil manner
2. Do not tell others what to do, or what to post
3. If you have a problem with a post report it and leave the modding to the mods

In terms of thread content:

4. Treat everything you read here with caution. Anything posted is from an anonymous internet poster. You cannot assume anyone has any "specialist" knowledge whatever they claim
5. Statistics are important to some (and I personally pay a lot of attention to them), but they are of very little use to anyone who is already caught up in this, or indeed knows of people who are caught up
6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

All the above is me talking as a complete layman on the subject. Like everything in this thread do not treat it as chapter and verse, beyond paying attention to items 1-3 above

Any questions please PM me - do not try and dissect this post in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

Last time it was a "suggestion"/request

Now it's an instruction

Stop all the tit for tat stuff on the stats. None of us are in full possession of the facts and none of us can draw any "definitive" conclusions. Bottom line. It's serious. Not serious in Ireland at this stage, but may become so. Anyone caught up in this is not going to take much solace from any stats however they are complied

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

OK

A number of posts have been sanctioned although it could have been many more

Could everyone please re-read the warnings in the OP

Could I also re-emphasise - attack the post, not the poster

I understand people can get very emotional about this sort of thing. Regardless of that there is no reason this cannot be discussed in a civil manner. Yes there are people implying there is little to worry about. Equally there are some doom and gloom merchants in the thread. Despite appearances I actually think most posters are probably somewhere in the middle recognising this is serious, but at this stage not overly so in Ireland

Whatever your own views are please recognise others are entitled to different views., Even if at different extremes please do not try and repeatedly ram your views down the throats of those who have differing views

In due course we may well have a far better understanding of this virus, but at present I do not think anyone can claim anything approaching a full understanding, and as always we need to take information posted by anonymous internet posters with a pinch of salt

Any questions PM me

Beasty wrote: »

I'm opening this one up with a very clear warning. Cut out all this cover-up/conspiracy stuff. If you have a reliable source quote it (not just their words but provide a link to a reliable source) - otherwise your claims carry little if any weight

Beasty wrote: »

A reminder to everyone

It is against site rules to seek or offer any medical advice. Please do not post here about your symptoms asking what to do. Contact your doctor by telephone and they can advise you as appropriate

All threadbans carry over, but we will reconsider if anyone wishes to discuss it further via PM

Please remember we have a Conspiracy Theories forum for speculation. Treat any information posted here as if it's from an anonymous internet poster. No-one is an expert here whatever they may claim. Please provide reliable sources where you can, and if you cannot please caveat your claims accordingly

Lashes28

You would think from the time Ireland had to watching how other countries have dealt with the out break. They would have put more proactive than reactive measures in place.

Fr_Dougal

The HSE, great bunch of lads.

timmyntc

Is it time to crack open each others heads, and feast on the goo inside?

Wombatman

Prediction time!!!!

Thursday morning next week, one week from now, how many diagnosed cases and deaths from Covid-19 in the ROI?

I'll go for 95 and 2.

pjohnson

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Meet the new thread, same as the old thread.

Dr. Tony can neither confirm or deny this statement.

Blueshoe

Chap on sky news last night. A professor who studies virus outbreaks, transmissions and the like said in 6 weeks time the UK will have serious issues.

I LOVE the thread title!!!

Gynoid

Gynoid wrote: »

Heh, sorry. My oldest has often said to me over the years, eh mam, wtf, no one else talks like that in real life

You’re grand! Every day is a school day for me. Yesterday’s linear and exponential lesson was fun.

I haven’t checked those words yet but I will and then use them in a sentence;)

Blueshoe

Wombatman wrote: »

Prediction time!!!!

Thursday morning next week, one week from now, how many diagnosed cases and deaths from Covid-19 in the ROI?

I'll go for 95 and 2.

45 and 1

Karmella

I work for a company which has many offices abroad including one in the Netherlands - so they sent out a communication with links to all the local health websites. I’m going on a personal trip to the Netherlands in a couple of weeks so I looked up the Dutch website out of curiosity.

For all those claiming that the HSE are spouting BS - well the Dutch website are singing from the same hymn sheet. Wash your hands, self isolate if you have travelled from one of the areas and show symptoms or have come in contact with a sick person who has travelled.
The Dutch foreign ministry have advised travel to Italy should be only ‘essential’
They diagnosed the first case on 27Feb and have 38 cases as of yesterday - most of whom travelled from Italy or have caught it from a traveller.
They are not panicking. And the Netherlands is a hell of a lot more densely populated than Ireland.

To be fair they do mention the areas. They temporarily shut down an entire hospital in one area because the sick person was there before diagnosis and they stopped new admissions to the ICU of another hospital (but the rest of that hospital operated as normal).

gozunda

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112728982&postcount=9491

Ireland not testing for community type spread apparently means we dont have it.

Great work lads. Keep it up.

cherryghost

Sorry for reposting, but its important to know some countries trying to be more proactive than reactive

"10 cases in Greece, and they have announced school closures and public gatherings in 3 districts in the west of the country.. they are more reactive than proactive and I hope it pays off. How long til we do it here (if at all...)?"

India has now barred S.Korean, Chinese, Italians, Iranians from entering country and reviewing today to expand to more countries.

Funsterdelux

Covid19
Covid19 Returns
Covid19 Forever
Covid19 and Robin

Gods Gift

Hope the virus doesn’t multiply like this thread.

Steve F

Yesterdays Totals
95,453 cases
3,286 Deaths
53,305 Recovered

Downlinz

Lashes28 wrote: »

You would think from the time Ireland had to watching how other countries have dealt with the out break. They would have put more proactive than reactive measures in place.

Very few countries in the west are acting proactively, business is too important it seems.

Is that mainland Greece, cherry ghost?

Gods Gift

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Covid19
Covid19 Returns
Covid19 Forever
Covid19 and Robin

It’s the Chinese fault so

Kung Foo Covid19.

ednwireland

Wombatman wrote: »

Prediction time!!!!

Thursday morning next week, one week from now, how many diagnosed cases and deaths from Covid-19 in the ROI?

I'll go for 95 and 2.

what can i win if im right !

Drumpot

Gynoid wrote: »

My reading on why there can be fret about these scenarios is that it taps into both our ancestral fear of plague and our scifi futuristic worry that it will be an invisible germ that is the mass assassin of the species.
Both these fears are in fact perfectly understandable and in many ways true. We are the descendents of the regular culls caused by pestilence, we will also most likely be seen off in the end as a species by pestilence.

Many remain cool and sanguine right now regarding this particular manifestation of a viral threat and may even scoff at others more panicked, but that there is a natural atavistic undercurrent in humans regarding novel invisible germs I think is perfectly understandable.

Being calm however is far better for the immune system.

This is true but there is an important caveat. For many people being calm is leading to them not caring and results in complacency. There is a threat here right now and some people are not taking it serious enough that’s going to have a huge impact on how bad it is. That St Patrick’s day parade is even up for debate is the clearest sign of that and prob one of the most concerning things of our authority’s real response. It totally contradicts what they say.

Not just that, you have said it yourself that it’s a perfectly natural reaction to a threat. Telling people to calm down is actually a silly message to put out, it doesn’t address their concerns.

Telling people there are contingency plans for all scenarios is comforting. That there are already plans on what we Will do if things do get very bad. All vital services will be maintained with electricity, gas, water and food delivery provisions plans in place if they should be needed. Information on where people can read this should be available. People should be able to put their names into a volunteer section so if we require more help in different areas we have instant access to them.

This whole “we can’t panic the country” has to stop. You have to get serious and start being honest with the people so people can prepare properly. From reports in Iran and Italy I heard there was an initial panic and then things settled down after people got used to isolation or changing the way they had to live. We are taking a head in the sand approach that will lead to more panic as the virus takes hold. We have no reason to believe it’s not going to get bad here (bad for vulnerable people).

I think this “focus on stopping” panic is the wrong strategy and it’s leading to distrust as we all know that they are talking sh*te about the chances of it spreading in Ireland. This makes anybody with a bit of of idea on this more concerned because it suggests they are way out of their depth and are going to make this worse then it needs to be.

Snow Garden

I know people that avoid news media entirely. They do not know what's going on in the outside world. I think that's rare on this small island but quite common abroad. They realise the amount of scaremongering and fear peddling is increasing year by year. It's something people should consider if they are anxious in nature. For example they completely missed the whole Brexit nonsense which was a waste of many people's time.

YFlyer

Heavy fog in Limerick city. The situation is beginning to get grim.

Gods Gift

ednwireland wrote: »

what can i win if im right !

A beautiful skiing trip for you and your family to northern Italy.

mlem123

gozunda wrote: »

Ireland not testing for community type spread apparently means we dont have it.

Great work lads. Keep it up.

But they are testing contacts?

Funsterdelux

ednwireland wrote: »

what can i win if im right !

2 Viles of the vaccine are up for grabs

Hector Savage

So ... assuming cases in Italy are doubling every 6 days - we are looking at 50K cases there in the next 30 days, do they have the capacity to put 5K people in ICU ?

A small number of schools have been affected. If a school closes for two weeks:

- Do teachers still get paid?
- Can some level of Skype/Webex support be offered to students e.g. a morning call to set work for the day?

A couple of weeks ago a UK doctor said if they get into school closures it could last two months i.e. close for two weeks but then roll on week-by-week until the crisis abated.

Wombatman

ednwireland wrote: »

what can i win if im right !

A case of Corona of course.

Heres that Worldometer source mentioned by Mic 1972 towards the end of the last thread:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Using the closed cases ratio the death rate is 6%. Thats sounds a bit grim to me.......

Mortelaro

Do we have a coronavirus hotline equivalent to the NHS UK's 111 ?

stephenjmcd

Karmella wrote: »

I work for a company which has many offices abroad including one in the Netherlands - so they sent out a communication with links to all the local health websites. I’m going on a personal trip to the Netherlands in a couple of weeks so I looked up the Dutch website out of curiosity.

For all those claiming that the HSE are spouting BS - well the Dutch website are singing from the same hymn sheet. Wash your hands, self isolate if you have travelled from one of the areas and show symptoms or have come in contact with a sick person who has travelled.
The Dutch foreign ministry have advised travel to Italy should be only ‘essential’
They diagnosed the first case on 27Feb and have 38 cases as of yesterday - most of whom travelled from Italy or have caught it from a traveller.
They are not panicking. And the Netherlands is a hell of a lot more densely populated than Ireland.

To be fair they do mention the areas. They temporarily shut down an entire hospital in one area because the sick person was there before diagnosis and they stopped new admissions to the ICU of another hospital (but the rest of that hospital operated as normal).

I did wonder what way other mainland european countries were dealing with it, those numbers aren't bad and being honest i'd be surprised if we reached those numbers in the next week.

Funsterdelux

YFlyer wrote: »

Heavy fog in Limerick city. The situation is beginning to get grim.

Fog? Or is it "The Mist"?

seamus

Downlinz wrote: »

Very few countries in the west are acting proactively, business is too important it seems.

It's always a balancing act. You can't shut down an economy every time there's an illness spreading through it.

The "shut down everything" brigade don't seem to be factoring in how many people will die from the economic fallout afterwards.

We're already looking at widespread redundancies and closures in the tourism industry. Hotel and flight bookings are being cancelled at a rate of knots. If this continues on through the summer, we could see up to 50,000 people on the dole queue come September.

The reality is that going on a major quaratine spree will end up causing more damage than may be necessary.

Ludo

Downlinz wrote: »

Very few countries in the west are acting proactively, business is too important it seems.

It is easy to say that and it makes for a good sound-bite.
In fairness there IS a balance needed. If business all go to the wall, that will cause untold problems also which in the long term could nt be as bad as or worse than the virus itself.
Imagine if airlines all went to the wall tomorrow. The knock on effects would be enormous. Hotels, restaraunts, taxis, supply chains all massively distupted. Factories shutting down. Unemployment through the roof. Food shortages. Medicine shortages. Social unrest would soon follow.
It is not a pretty picture. So yea business does matter. It is interwoven in to our lives now and simply stopping it, would stop society. Over dramatic? Maybe, but not too far off I would imagine.

*edit* Lol Seamus...did we just copy each other :-)

Fr_Dougal

Deleted User wrote: »

A small number of schools have been affected. If a school closes for two weeks:

- Do teachers still get paid?
- Can some level of Skype/Webex support be offered to students e.g. a morning call to set work for the day?

A couple of weeks ago a UK doctor said if they get into school closures it could last two months i.e. close for two weeks but then roll on week-by-week until the crisis abated.

Yes.
Could be, but highly doubtful they will be.

mlem123

Mortelaro wrote: »

Do we have a coronavirus hotline equivalent to the NHS UK's 111 ?

We've had it for months. HSE Live will connect you to your local public health dept

Funsterdelux

Ludo wrote: »

It is easy to say that and it makes for a good sound-bite.
In fairness there IS a balance needed. If business all go to the wall, that will cause untold problems also which in the long term could nt be as bad as or worse than the virus itself.
Imagine if airlines all went to the wall tomorrow. The knock on effects would be enormous. Hotels, restaraunts, taxis, supply chains all massively distupted. Factories shutting down. Unemployment through the roof. Food shortages. Medicine shortages. Social unrest would soon follow.
It is not a pretty picture. So yea business does matter. It is interwoven in to our lives now and simply stopping it, would stop society. Over dramatic? Maybe, but not too far off I would imagine.

*edit* Lol Seamus...did we just copy each other :-)

Get a room

megabomberman

Our Minister and health officials acknowledge that this could be around for 12 months, why are we faffing about providing the virus with ideal transmission conditions for the sake of one week? Please don't tell me it's for the sake of a Paddy's day bonanza, it could end up being a colossal mistake.

Snow Garden

YFlyer wrote: »

Heavy fog in Limerick city. The situation is beginning to get grim.

11:55, almost midnight. Enough time for one more story. One more story before 12:00, just to keep us warm. In five minutes, it will be the 21st of April. One hundred years ago on the 21st of April, out in the waters around Spivey Point, a small clipper ship drew toward land. Suddenly, out of the night, the fog rolled in. For a moment, they could see nothing, not a foot in front of them. Then, they saw a light. By God, it was a fire burning on the shore, strong enough to penetrate the swirling mist. They steered a course toward the light. But it was a campfire, like this one. The ship crashed against the rocks, the hull sheared in two, masts snapped like a twig. The wreckage sank, with all the men aboard. At the bottom of the sea, lay the Elizabeth Dane, with her crew, their lungs filled with salt water, their eyes open, staring to the darkness. And above, as suddenly as it come, the fog lifted, receded back across the ocean and never came again. But it is told by the fishermen, and their fathers and grandfathers, that when the fog returns to Antonio Bay, the men at the bottom of the sea, out in the water by Spivey Point will rise up and search for the campfire that led them to their dark, icy death.

is_that_so

mlem123 wrote: »

We've had it for months. HSE Live will connect you to your local public health dept

Ah OK, thought it was Liveline!

Duke of Url

Deleted User wrote: »

Heres that Worldometer source mentioned by Mic 1972 towards the end of the last thread:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Using the closed cases ratio the death rate is 6%. Thats sounds a bit grim to me.......

Why is it grim?

Every day it has gone down.

Currently at 5.78%

Blueshoe

megabomberman wrote: »

Our Minister and health officials acknowledge that this could be around for 12 months, why are we faffing about providing the virus with ideal transmission conditions for the sake of one week? Please don't tell me it's for the sake of a Paddy's day bonanza, it could end up being a colossal mistake.

Who makes the call on the Paddy's Day parade? Who has the final say?

s7ryf3925pivug

YFlyer wrote: »

Heavy fog in Limerick city. The situation is beginning to get grim.

Very grim.

Last night I painted my gate. This morning I found it was still wet.

Rain is forecast.

megabomberman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Heres that Worldometer source mentioned by Mic 1972 towards the end of the last thread:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Using the closed cases ratio the death rate is 6%. Thats sounds a bit grim to me.......

Of no value thankfully, all countries with larger outbreaks stopped testing asymptomatic carriers. Also it won't account for the large numbers infected and deaths in third world countries which are currently exporting cases without showing any cases in their own stats.

Marty Bird

Snow Garden wrote: »

11:55, almost midnight. Enough time for one more story. One more story before 12:00, just to keep us warm. In five minutes, it will be the 21st of April. One hundred years ago on the 21st of April, out in the waters around Spivey Point, a small clipper ship drew toward land. Suddenly, out of the night, the fog rolled in. For a moment, they could see nothing, not a foot in front of them. Then, they saw a light. By God, it was a fire burning on the shore, strong enough to penetrate the swirling mist. They steered a course toward the light. But it was a campfire, like this one. The ship crashed against the rocks, the hull sheared in two, masts snapped like a twig. The wreckage sank, with all the men aboard. At the bottom of the sea, lay the Elizabeth Dane, with her crew, their lungs filled with salt water, their eyes open, staring to the darkness. And above, as suddenly as it come, the fog lifted, receded back across the ocean and never came again. But it is told by the fishermen, and their fathers and grandfathers, that when the fog returns to Antonio Bay, the men at the bottom of the sea, out in the water by Spivey Point will rise up and search for the campfire that led them to their dark, icy death.

Love The Fog.

Drumpot

Snow Garden wrote: »

I know people that avoid news media entirely. They do not know what's going on in the outside world. I think that's rare on this small island but quite common abroad. They realise the amount of scaremongering and fear peddling is increasing year by year. It's something people should consider if they are anxious in nature. For example they completely missed the whole Brexit nonsense which was a waste of many people's time.

That is true and I’ve been taking more of a step back from this thread lately because it can consume you. I also went to my doctor (who is brilliant) and discussed my concerns in relation to myself and family/friends and my wider concerns. I had a good conversation with him and asked him why our authority’s appear to be communicating that we prob won’t get it as bad here as they do abroad. All I can say is I don’t feel paranoid after that conversation.

While I feel a bit more relieved personally , I’m even more angry with how our authority’s have been handling this. I don’t trust them for multiple reasons and think their “nothing to see here” strategy is going to causs a lot of damage , particularly to their own credibility when things get progressively worse. While they mess about with the Patrick’s day parade choice they have no credibility at all as far as I am concerned.

Rob A. Bank

Blueshoe wrote: »

Who makes the call on the Paddy's Day parade? Who has the final say?

Having a big celebration and showing ‘Ireland's rich culture’ of spreading the virus around, while the rest of the world are burying their grandparents !

Great look that... Failte Ireland !

Hector Savage

hearing about 2 strains, seems the Wuhan strain was stronger - would explain the higher death rate there, lets hope it's the weaker strain in Europe.,

Fr_Dougal

Cases are on the rise again in China. Current reinfection rate is 14%

old_aussie

First prediction on numbers 400 cases. 6 deaths

Second prediction, new boards section ... Now ye're talking - to a Coronavirus Survivor