Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

RobitTV

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

It's not possible to travel AT ALL for non essential journeys.

There's no 5km limit for travel. It's only for exercise. That's it, nothing else. It doesn't apply outside of that one activity.

You are totally confused by this. You cannot travel 4.9km from home in your car for no reason. You can travel 4.9km for the purpose of exercising that remaining 100 metres.

If you get in your car and travel even 1km for ****s and giggles, that's an offence. You are a damn fool to admit it but that's a separate issue.

So they need to remove the complete ban on non essential travel, noting to do with 5km

That's what I'm trying to say though. When they remove the complete ban on non-essential travel. We know that you can't travel for a whole list of reasons right now. It's simply illegal and this is very well known and we have now both stated this.

I've been trying to say this now for a while. I'm not directly on about the 5km limit itself, I'm trying to talk about the removal of the non-essential travel ban. Which will occur at some point in the future.

The KM distance is not relevant (2km, 5km, 10km, 50km, etc etc...) the non-essential travel ban is what I am discussing.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

That's what I'm trying to say though. When they remove the complete ban on non-essential travel. We know that you can't travel for a whole list of reasons right now. It's simply illegal and this is very well known and we have now both stated this.

I've been trying to say this now for a while. I'm not directly on about the 5km limit itself, I'm trying to talk about the removal of the non-essential travel ban. Which will occur at some point in the future.

The KM distance is not relevant (2km, 5km, 10km, 50km, etc etc...) the non-essential travel ban is what I am discussing.

Right ok, the below sounds like you are. Well to me it did anyway.

"Because it's well known the 5km limit means non-essential journeys aren't possible.

It's not possible to travel outside the 5km for non-essential journeys and this is well known. I'm talking about the removal of this limit in the future."

normanoffside

Back in October, Ryanair took the government to the supreme court over it's mandate against non-essential foreign travel.
The government argued it was an advisory, not a law, and won the case (much to jubilation from Ryanair which was trolling all along).

So if there was no legal basis to advice against travelling abroad for non-essential purposes last October, has something changed now or am I missing something?

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/high-court-ryanair-loses-covid-19-guidelines-challenge

RobitTV

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Right ok, the below sounds like you are. Well to me it did anyway.

"Because it's well known the 5km limit means non-essential journeys aren't possible.

It's not possible to travel outside the 5km for non-essential journeys and this is well known. I'm talking about the removal of this limit in the future."

Nah I understand what you mean, I probably should of used different terminology and made myself more clear looking back on my previous posts. My apologies.

RobitTV

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1354865857760022528
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1354820704273747976

bassy

any hope we can travel any where in ireland come july ??.

faceman

bassy wrote: »

any hope we can travel any where in ireland come july ??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGSSe1voBz0

RobitTV

bassy wrote: »

any hope we can travel any where in ireland come july ??.

If Ireland adopts the Icelandic system and continues to supress the virus over the coming weeks and months, then it's more of a possibility then it is currently. We will have to see what the future holds.

(Edit: I read this wrong I thought it said travel in Europe instead of Ireland :pac: I replied too soon)

Clonmel1000

any hope we can travel any where in Europe come july ??.

bassy

RobitTV wrote: »

If Ireland adopts the Icelandic system and continues to supress the virus over the coming weeks and months, then it's more of a possibility then it is currently. We will have to see what the future holds.

(Edit: I read this wrong I thought it said travel in Europe instead of Ireland :pac: I replied too soon)

yes ireland im on about,not interested in traveling europe.

not much point in traveling ireland in july if most places are closed or you have to ring up and book to go for a drink.

RobitTV

bassy wrote: »

yes ireland im on about,not interested in traveling europe.

not much point in traveling ireland in july if most places are closed or you have to ring up and book to go for a drink.

Yeah I'm unsure what is going to happen this Summer in Ireland. I think you'll be aloud to travel around the country again. But I think the restrictions on pubs and restaurants aren't going to make the experience enjoyable.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1354865857760022528
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1354820704273747976

I’d be absolutely fine with that. The 5 days self isolation between the tests can be at your own home. Given that we are currently supposed to be self isolating at home for 14 days, it’s actually better

Spanish Eyes

Who will follow this new strategy like the Iceland model? off duty nurses and doctors lol, get real here. Iceland has a small population so can probably do it, but here? I wouldn't trust any of them to run a bath.

Spanish Eyes

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

any hope we can travel any where in Europe come july ??.

Get a life FGS, it is changing by the minute. Who knows, what do you want people to say. I guess you are young and invincible.

Tazz T

It was a bit unnerving watching RTE tonight highlighting people coming from abroad at Dublin airport, then switching to a story about 'happy' people from ireland living in 'zero covid' New Zealand. but in reality not knowing when they'll ever be able to leave to come home or anywhere else for that matter.

Bit of propaganda going on?

it would make you wonder when it's finally all over for the rest of us, will zero covid countries be hit with the third wave they've been avoiding when they finally do open up, or do they not open until they have full immunity in a year or so.

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

It was a bit unnerving watching RTE tonight highlighting people coming from abroad at Dublin airport, then switching to a story about 'happy' people from ireland living in 'zero covid' New Zealand. but in reality not knowing when they'll ever be able to leave to come home or anywhere else for that matter.

Bit of propaganda going on?

it would make you wonder when it's finally all over for the rest of us, will zero covid countries be hit with the third wave they've been avoiding when they finally do open up, or do they not open until they have full immunity in a year or so.

I don’t think they will open up until not only they are all vaccinated, but enough of the rest of the world is vaccinated such that the chances of new strains is reduced. Hasn’t Arden already said 2022 at the earliest to open borders? As much as we are locked into a cycle of lockdowns, they are locked to their self isolation strategy. It something happens with vaccine efficacy; or a new strain, they could stay closed off from the world for years. At some stage I think that the population will start to question the exit strategy

Atlantic Dawn

What I can't understand is if you have vaccinated 95% of the group of people who died during the previous waves in the next 3 months or so why would you restrict travel once you have this done? Would massive groups of people begin to randomly die against what all previous statistics told us? I'd only restrict travel in to the country at that stage on people who can't prove they have travel insurance as they would be a burden on our health service if they were infected.

Donald Trump

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

any hope we can travel any where in Europe come july ??.

Get a life FGS, it is changing by the minute. Who knows, what do you want people to say. I guess you are young and invincible.

I'd probably be the same if I was stuck in Clonmel to be fair

Donald Trump

Acer33 wrote: »

Retina scans ? Mandatory vaccines ? Mandatory cavity searches ?

That's an unusual list of demands.



I think you can pay for that kind of thing over in Amsterdam when the pandemic is over if that is what you are into.

theguzman

Acer33 wrote: »

The whole Covid thing is a farce. An exaggerated pandemic being used as cover to bring everything too a slowdown and institute various new political, economic and legal changes. You could call it a sinister conspiracy, or being more generous, a cynical tactic to make perceived structural improvements. Either way our lives are being unfairly interfered with and our civil rights are being eroded. I was in no hurry to travel, but at this rate who knows what kind of fascist restrictions will in place months from now.

Retina scans ? Mandatory vaccines ? Mandatory cavity searches ?

The fifth columnists in our midst can ban me for this comment for all i care.

It's more a case of never let a good crisis go to waste to implement extremism, history is littered with examples of this, the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar in the Russian Civil War, the rise of National Socialism in Germany out of economic devastation of the Weimar Republic, 9/11 interventions. We are living through dark times for freedom, liberty, free speech, economic freedom and the right to prosper. This is not confined to Ireland and it is a global phenomena.

Donald Trump

theguzman wrote: »

It's more a case of never let a good crisis go to waste to implement extremism, history is littered with examples of this, the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar in the Russian Civil War, the rise of National Socialism in Germany out of economic devastation of the Weimar Republic, 9/11 interventions. We are living through dark times for freedom, liberty, free speech, economic freedom and the right to prosper. This is not confined to Ireland and it is a global phenomena.

Ah 'tis terrible alright.

They planned all this mainly to stop you going to Spain again and renting another car

Xi Jingping and Hasan Rouhani came up with the plan together in a series of secret meetings over the last decade in order to have everything put into motion.

Jealous feckers so they are

Tazz T

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's an unusual list of demands.



I think you can pay for that kind of thing over in Amsterdam when the pandemic is over if that is what you are into.

Both China and Greece are finding anal tests effective at the moment.

smurfjed

dartboardio wrote: »

Checkpoints as people drive into the airport, or Gardai standing around stopping people walking by?

Maybe it’s time for you to seriously reconsider your Dubai trip. UK just banned direct flights.

faceman

Just 28 passengers out of 4,500 didn't have tests between Monday and Wednesday of this week. And the figure for people going on holibobs is now a third, it was half.

More interestingly, Paul Reid "doesn't think too much focus should be on the risk from international travel."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/28-people-arrived-at-dublin-airport-this-week-without-negative-covid-test-1072283.html

Gael23

Is there any reason to expect the wypuarantine at home will be enforced?

faceman

faceman wrote: »

Just 28 passengers out of 4,500 didn't have tests between Monday and Wednesday of this week. And the figure for people going on holibobs is now a third, it was half.

More interestingly, Paul Reid "doesn't think too much focus should be on the risk from international travel."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/28-people-arrived-at-dublin-airport-this-week-without-negative-covid-test-1072283.html

Paul Reid is right on that in the sense that if you travel and just simply do your best effort to keep away from as many people as you can when back home and at least tell people you are likely to need to meet that you have been away so they can take their own decision on whether or how to meet you
Thats probably what most decent people are doing and most people when not drunk are decent like that

naughtysmurf

faceman wrote: »

Just 28 passengers out of 4,500 didn't have tests between Monday and Wednesday of this week. And the figure for people going on holibobs is now a third, it was half.

More interestingly, Paul Reid "doesn't think too much focus should be on the risk from international travel."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/28-people-arrived-at-dublin-airport-this-week-without-negative-covid-test-1072283.html

I’d say Paul Reid is correct especially considering where the outbreaks actually are, private family homes, hospitals, nursing homes, residential institutions, workplaces, travelling community & direct provision, maybe that’s where the focus should be

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/sharp-increase-in-the-number-of-covid-19-family-outbreaks-1.4469484

titan18

I see Martin still intends to go to Washington for St Patricks Day. Bloody hypocrites. Surely a web call will suffice and he can set an example.

Tenzor07

titan18 wrote: »

I see Martin still intends to go to Washington for St Patricks Day. Bloody hypocrites. Surely a web call will suffice and he can set an example.

When will people learn that with the Political elites in Ireland it's always been a case of "Do as we say, not as we do"

How much will this trip cost the state anyways? Mehole Martin no doubt will be flown by private jet, and not the Government Jet as it hasn't got the range, so will be a private hire of an expensive long range aircraft and crew so will cost €100's of thousands to the taxypayer..

faceman

titan18 wrote: »

I see Martin still intends to go to Washington for St Patricks Day. Bloody hypocrites. Surely a web call will suffice and he can set an example.

If he follows the isolation and testing rules it’s not an issue.

People really underestimate the importance of the Paddy’s week trips