Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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Steyr 556 wrote: »

Going into town on my break to get masks and such, I've largely avoid this whole thing up until a few days ago when it started turning up in places like Italy, Iran and so on.

They should have shut down international travel via air from China long ago.

You're probably about a month too late to get masks anywhere now.

The chan chan man

The chan chan man wrote: »

Should I cancel my Trio to Greece in April??
Iran/Turkey/Italy/Tenerife... its only a matter of time before its everywhere really!

Don’t you go jinxing Greece! I’m going on May.

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BanditLuke wrote: »

You'll be lucky to get masks anywhere now even useless dusk masks are sold out in hardware stores.

GooglePlus wrote: »

Do you know where would be best to get the masks?

Might get a few myself in the likely event that it lands on our shores, now that it's spreading fast within the EU.

If I find any I'll post up here where I got them!

KWAG2019

A thought: could we have a sticky with factual information as it develops about the nature of this virus and links to reputable sources for spread etc?

facehugger99

It's probably a good opportunity to make a bit of money from the irrational panic.

Some good value Asian stocks available.

Mic 1972

KWAG2019 wrote: »

China admitting it has locked down a city of 11 million people. Towns in Northern Italy locked down. A liner locked down. A hotel in Tenerife locked down.

I’ll leave it to people to draw their own conclusions.

I'd say WHO have alerted governments about the high mortality rate, they may have run mathematical models to predict the impact of it in the long term. Then it was agreed on how and what to communicate this to the people
The high alert is a clear sing that this is no flu-like desease

BanditLuke

This self isolation guff is laughable. Someone comes back from let's say Iran and is back in work the next day. They don't get paid if they ring in and say "Eh the government told me to stay home so im not coming in" so they go into work because they can't pay the rent otherwise.

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GooglePlus wrote: »

Do you know where would be best to get the masks?

Might get a few myself in the likely event that it lands on our shores, now that it's spreading fast within the EU.

https://www.dezeen.com/2020/02/17/alternative-coronavirus-masks-max-siedentopf/

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Harry Freezing Bifocal wrote: »

I don't get paid for sick days either nor in my job before this one, it's in a lot of contracts these days. I still need a cert for 3 or more days though.

I don't get payed for sick days either and its a
worry living in Japan.

Masks are mandatory now and any sign of symtoms we have to take 14 days off immediately. Would be fairly crippling.

Fr_Dougal

Steyr 556 wrote: »

If I find any I'll post up here where I got them!

If you can’t find any, and really want some, try Amazon for the half face respirator masks. They look fugly, but if comes to a point where you need to wear one how it looks will be the last of your worries. They’re about £20 on Amazon now, the filters will last a while.

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facehugger99 wrote: »

It's probably a good opportunity to make a bit of money from the irrational panic.
Some good value Asian stocks available.

$1trillion was wiped off global stocks yesterday, give it another few days/weeks/months/seasons until it hits close to rock bottom.

Perhaps the best money-maker this month, might be to befriend a lady with a very fast sewing machine and rolls of spandex. Place an order for 1,000 double layer face masks (the washable re-usuable type), not proper N95s which aren't really 'use-again' products due to their mixed fibers.

Mic 1972

KWAG2019 wrote: »

A thought: could we have a sticky with factual information as it develops about the nature of this virus and links to reputable sources for spread etc?

Not everyone can handle factual information in here
Anyway, most numbers and key indicators are on Worldometer


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Runaways

Open the picture. These are a handful of masks from an actual hospital here in Dublin.
These masks aren’t available in the shops.

These masks aren’t even good for holding out the common cold, they’re merely to prevent against splashes of bodily fluid.
They’re only viable for four hours and after that become more germ ridden than a tv remote. Which are filthy by the way.

Point of the story is there are almost no masks available commercially Over the counter that will prevent an infection from such a virus.

Save your money.

GooglePlus

There's plenty of masks online but it'd be handy to just pick them up.

turbbo

all about the mane wrote: »

For all you in running around in sandwich boards & giving out about the HSE:


How deadly is the coronavirus?
Based on data from 44,000 patients with this coronavirus, the WHO says:

81% develop mild symptoms
14% develop severe symptoms
5% become critically ill
The proportion dying from the disease, which has been named Covid-19, appears low (between 1% and 2%) - but the figures are unreliable.

Thousands are still being treated but may go on to die - so the death rate could be higher. But it is also unclear how many mild cases remain unreported - so the death rate could also be lower.

To put this into context, about one billion people catch influenza every year, with between 290,000 and 650,000 deaths. The severity of flu changes every year.

Stop comparing influenza with nCoV, it's ridiculous, two different categories and if nCoV would be as widespread as the influenza is, it would kill at least 60 to 100M per year. They're different

I never bought masks but I’ve got a welding face protector in the garage

Mic 1972

BanditLuke wrote: »

This self isolation guff is laughable. Someone comes back from let's say Iran and is back in work the next day. They don't get paid if they ring in and say "Eh the government told me to stay home so im not coming in" so they go into work because they can't pay the rent otherwise.

People can work form home these days, I haven't been at the office in 2 weeks
A lot of companies can implement that. Other types of jobs will go ahead as normal, if you can't lock down everybody at least you can limit the spread

BanditLuke

Mic 1972 wrote: »

People can work form home these days, I haven't been at the office in 2 weeks
A lot of companies can implement that. Other types of jobs will go ahead as normal, if you can't lock down everybody at least you can limit the spread

The vast vast majority of people can't work from home and will ignore self isolation warnings.

blanch152

Mic 1972 wrote: »

People can work form home these days, I haven't been at the office in 2 weeks
A lot of companies can implement that. Other types of jobs will go ahead as normal, if you can't lock down everybody at least you can limit the spread

The type of people who can't work from home - waiters, shop assistants, chefs, cleaners, receptionists, medical staff, emergency services - are precisely the type that are most likely to spread the disease.

GooglePlus

Got 10 3m masks for 40e including delivery. Probably a bit steep but the best I could find from an Irish company.

Nijmegen

Oh not again with the death rate stats. Read mod OP. To an extent it doesn't matter if it's 1%, 10% or 0.1%. If it's highly infectious, which we know it is, it will kill a large number of people who would have otherwise lived if it goes uncontained. Lets go with that.

More interesting then is the spread. Given the Chinese suppressed so much data at the start, we probably don't have a reliable picture of how we can model its spread. So +144 cases in S Korea, +18% day on day. +54 in Italy, +23% day on day. Good, bad or indifferent I have no idea. Like, when do you know (relatively speaking) that you've got the outbreak in northern Italy beat? That's something that would be interesting to know. Then I'd say we can tell if you get a super spreader in a region, OK, this is an X weeks containment and we should top out at Y cases and then we're good versus Wuhan where it was allowed go like wildfire, and perhaps now Iran. Repeat until a cure is created.

Rob A. Bank

A lot of dispute here about the accuracy, reliability and significance of the figures available to date.

However we do have accurate Japanese Ministry of Health figures for that floating Petri Dish known as the cruise liner Diamond Princess …. 3,063 were tested with 634* testing positive.

* includes 328 asymptomatic cases

That scary asterisked figure plus the fact that asymptomatic infected people can spread the virus, means that all the temperature checking etc. at airports/borders is probably useless for detecting over half of those who are infected.

Perhaps it is not surprising that they have been unable to trace the index cases in Italy and Iran also that the illness has popped up in 36 countries so far.

BanditLuke

Things look like they are out of control in Iran

https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1232270017439371265

laurah591

turbbo wrote: »

Stop comparing influenza with nCoV, it's ridiculous, two different categories and if nCoV would be as widespread as the influenza is, it would kill at least 60 to 100M per year. They're different

I'm not getting into stats.... but i dont think you have any grounds to make that statement ....

odyssey06

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

That scary asterisked figure plus the fact that asymptomatic infected people can spread the virus, means that all the temperature checking etc. at airports/borders is probably useless for detecting over half of those who are infected.

And the HSE tells you go about your business unless you feel unwell.
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus-advice-recently-in-china.html

Tenzor07

GooglePlus wrote: »

Got 10 3m masks for 40e including delivery. Probably a bit steep but the best I could find from an Irish company.

Dust masks used by construction workers won't protect you from anything, apart from breathing in dust from working on a building site.

Call Me Jimmy

Nijmegen wrote: »

Oh not again with the death rate stats. Read mod OP. To an extent it doesn't matter if it's 1%, 10% or 0.1%. If it's highly infectious, which we know it is, it will kill a large number of people who would have otherwise lived if it goes uncontained. Lets go with that.

More interesting then is the spread. Given the Chinese suppressed so much data at the start, we probably don't have a reliable picture of how we can model its spread. So +144 cases in S Korea, +18% day on day. +54 in Italy, +23% day on day. Good, bad or indifferent I have no idea. Like, when do you know (relatively speaking) that you've got the outbreak in northern Italy beat? That's something that would be interesting to know. Then I'd say we can tell if you get a super spreader in a region, OK, this is an X weeks containment and we should top out at Y cases and then we're good versus Wuhan where it was allowed go like wildfire, and perhaps now Iran. Repeat until a cure is created.

WHO promised to answer what containment measures they recommend after skipping the question yesterday. I think it's the guy who's been looking at the China stuff who will be speaking about it. Since they praise China's effort, they should have some good data on how severe quarantine measures effect spread.

Akrasia

GooglePlus wrote: »

Do you know where would be best to get the masks?

Might get a few myself in the likely event that it lands on our shores, now that it's spreading fast within the EU.

The principle benefit of the mask, is to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose. And even this won't work if the mask is stuffy and you keep having to move it to get comfortable

You're as well off wearing disposable gloves and changing them regularly, or simply remembering to wash your hands frequently using a careful methodical technique

wakka12

https://apps.derstandard.at/privacywall/story/2000115000698/erster-positiver-test-auf-coronavirus-in-tirol?ref=article
First two positive cases in Austria

BanditLuke

blanch152 wrote: »

The type of people who can't work from home - waiters, shop assistants, chefs, cleaners, receptionists, medical staff, emergency services - are precisely the type that are most likely to spread the disease.

And exactly the type who won't get paid when out sick. Would be very proactive of the government here to tell people returning from regions with high infection rates that if they self isolate they will cover the cost of wages if they are left out of pocket so people don't go into workplaces, on public transport etc.. That would require a massive change in the Irish governments reactive thought process though.