Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

ThePopehimself

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/britons-returning-coronavirus-italy-self-isolate-quarantine-regions

“People returning to the UK from quarantine zones in northern Italy should immediately self-isolate to stop the spread of coronavirus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has said.”

“Those entering the UK from areas quarantined by the Italian authorities – 10 small towns in Lombardy and one in Veneto – should follow the guidance, even if they do not have symptoms.”

Meanwhile in Dublin...
Flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin is due to land on schedule at Terminal 1 Dublin at 12.05 today ….
and the 13.20 EI413 Milan to Dublin is also on schedule to land at Dublin Terminal 2.

stwome01

With regards to Tenerife -

Keep in mind also that due to loads of flights being cancelled over the weekend due to the Sand Storm, there have been lots of travelling switching hotels (Hotel situation was suppose to have been Chaotic over the weekend) so it mightn't be all that easy to contain this outbreak.

eviltimeban

Someone I know is due to fly to Rome this weekend - not really liable to panicking or overreacting, but should she be making plans to cancel the trip? It would be a weekend break so would be staying in a hotel and going to tourist sites, where there would be crowds.

fr336

The posts criticising those worried about this as "panicking" and "over the top" are getting REALLY boring. Why not just ignore this thead, and do something else when it's on the news etc? The fact is you don't know what will happen, none of us do. Do you really think those you accuse of panicking don't really really hope you are right? For the millionth time, it isn't the flu. Even if it's just a tiny bit worse than the flu, that's enough to kill older people we care about without the huge safety net of the flu jab which is really very effective. And we aren't sure how much this thing could get younger healthier people over time or if it mutates. What is such an inconvience to you about people being worried (not panicking) and being ready for things that are happening in Europe already? It doesn't take much imagination to see what's going on in north Italy spreading to the south and to Europe and further west. We are such a pampered generation and such hypocrites - you can guarantee the very same people accusing others of panicking will be climbing over others if the shops were running short as obviously their needs (wants) are greater than everyone else's. I really wouldn't want you guys running a government because there would be health emergencies, terrorism and god knows what else going on all the time as you think opening your eyes and preparing is over the top.

ThePopehimself

Chopper83 wrote: »

If your parents were due to fly to Tenerife tomorrow, what would your advice be?

I wouldn't go.

Other than that, face masks, hand sanitizer.....?

wakka12

12 passengers on a flight from Iran to Turkey with high temperatures, plane lands in early in Ankara instead of the destinaton which was instanbul
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-iran-turkey-airplane/turkish-airlines-plane-from-iran-diverted-to-ankara-amid-coronavirus-worry-idUSKCN20J1B2?utm_source=reddit.com

Mic 1972

ThePopehimself wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/britons-returning-coronavirus-italy-self-isolate-quarantine-regions

“People returning to the UK from quarantine zones in northern Italy should immediately self-isolate to stop the spread of coronavirus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has said.”

“Those entering the UK from areas quarantined by the Italian authorities – 10 small towns in Lombardy and one in Veneto – should follow the guidance, even if they do not have symptoms.”

Meanwhile in Dublin...
Flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin is due to land on schedule at Terminal 1 Dublin at 12.05 today ….
and the 13.20 EI413 Milan to Dublin is also on schedule to land at Dublin Terminal 2.

The thing is, what are we really trying to stop at this point?
the virus has been flying in and out all EU countries for a month already

odyssey06

fr336 wrote: »

The posts criticising those worried about this as "panicking" and "over the top" are getting REALLY boring. Why not just ignore this thead, and do something else when it's on the news etc? The fact is you don't know what will happen, none of us do. Do you really think those you accuse of panicking don't really really hope you are right? For the millionth time, it isn't the flu.

And to add, who do you think we're going to pay more attention to... their posts or the actions of the Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Russian, American, and Italian authorities who obviously aren't treating this in any way similar to the flu. It's not in the same category.

charlietheminxx

I've posted this over in travel already, but I am supposed to go to Costa Adeje in Tenerife on Thursday. I've been following this thread for weeks and am now stressing.

In desperate want of a holiday but I'm not sure it's worth going now.

We are going to hold tight and see how things develop today and tomorrow. If there are more cases in Tenerife, we will cancel. It's a bad blow as it's our first trip away together in a year and a half and we are unlikely to get anything back on the travel insurance if we don't go.

I'm not even that concerned about catching the virus over there, my fear is being put in lockdown/quarantine and not being able to get home. I have a vulnerable person to care for next week and I have to be back and obviously can't chance being infected.

BanditLuke

markodaly wrote: »

Nonesense. If you are a full-time worker, you do get sick days.

I'm not posting up my contract or saying where I work but that is how it is. One of them in and out on the Luas to Sandyford the other drives. One other just called in sick in fairness to them.

Bob Harris

Mic 1972

fr336 wrote: »

The posts criticising those worried about this as "panicking" and "over the top" are getting REALLY boring. Why not just ignore this thead, and do something else when it's on the news etc?

Because they are panicking, denial is an indication of that

Shuhada Davitt

eviltimeban wrote: »

Someone I know is due to fly to Rome this weekend - not really liable to panicking or overreacting, but should she be making plans to cancel the trip? It would be a weekend break so would be staying in a hotel and going to tourist sites, where there would be crowds.

well my partner is cabin crew and flew to rome this morning not a bother.
they are not told to wear gloves, masks or any sort of protective gear. why? because they know it's not something to panic about. the security handling peoples luggage etc in every airport i've been through recently havent been bothered either. that's 5 different airports since the "outbreak".

tell your friend to go and enjoy her holiday, because otherwise, imagine how silly she'd feel if she wasted all that money on a hoax/media scam?!



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The chan chan man

Should I cancel my Trio to Greece in April??
Iran/Turkey/Italy/Tenerife... its only a matter of time before its everywhere really!

DrumSteve

odyssey06 wrote: »

And to add, who do you think we're going to pay more attention to... their posts or the actions of the Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Russian, American, and Italian authorities who obviously aren't treating this in any way similar to the flu. It's not in the same category.

I dont think the point at the moment is to stop it; they already know its out. It's to stifle the spread long enough that it doesn't overwhelm the health services.

This is going to be a yearly thing now; hopefully a vaccine will be in place for next year.

BanditLuke

ThePopehimself wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/britons-returning-coronavirus-italy-self-isolate-quarantine-regions

“People returning to the UK from quarantine zones in northern Italy should immediately self-isolate to stop the spread of coronavirus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has said.”

“Those entering the UK from areas quarantined by the Italian authorities – 10 small towns in Lombardy and one in Veneto – should follow the guidance, even if they do not have symptoms.”

Meanwhile in Dublin...
Flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin is due to land on schedule at Terminal 1 Dublin at 12.05 today ….
and the 13.20 EI413 Milan to Dublin is also on schedule to land at Dublin Terminal 2.

Self isolation just won't happen.

gozunda

all about the mane wrote: »

For all you in running around in sandwich boards & giving out about the HSE:
How deadly is the coronavirus?
Based on data from 44,000 patients with this coronavirus, the WHO says:
81% develop mild symptoms
14% develop severe symptoms
5% become critically ill
The proportion dying from the disease, which has been named Covid-19, appears low (between 1% and 2%) - but the figures are unreliable.

Thousands are still being treated but may go on to die - so the death rate could be higher. But it is also unclear how many mild cases remain unreported - so the death rate could also be lower.

To put this into context, about one billion people catch influenza every year, with between 290,000 and 650,000 deaths. The severity of flu changes every year.

Wow thanks - I didnt know any of that! It should certainly be comforting to the millions currently under lockdown ...

It remains the HSE is a walking disaster zone. I see no 'sandwich boards' ...

Flu eh!

WhatsGoingOn2

ThePopehimself wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/britons-returning-coronavirus-italy-self-isolate-quarantine-regions

“People returning to the UK from quarantine zones in northern Italy should immediately self-isolate to stop the spread of coronavirus, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has said.”

“Those entering the UK from areas quarantined by the Italian authorities – 10 small towns in Lombardy and one in Veneto – should follow the guidance, even if they do not have symptoms.”

Meanwhile in Dublin...
Flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin is due to land on schedule at Terminal 1 Dublin at 12.05 today ….
and the 13.20 EI413 Milan to Dublin is also on schedule to land at Dublin Terminal 2.

As are the 40 flights from Milan to London. Not to mention the flights from Milan to Manchester, Edinburgh, Bristol, Birmingham etc. Along with flights from Venice and other Italian airports.

Akrasia

markodaly wrote: »

Nonesense. If you are a full-time worker, you do get sick days.

There is no legal obligation for an employer to pay sick pay in Ireland. If you are out of work for a week (more than 6 days) you can claim Illness benefit from the welfare office but it is an incredibly harsh system, especially for the lower paid workers in jobs with minimal working conditions who can least afford to lose a whole week of income.

nigeldaniel

I am still not too worried myself. If 10,000 people suddenly die in a week around the world I will start to think about things.

Mic 1972

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

As are the 40 flights from Milan to London. Not to mention the flights from Milan to Manchester, Edinburgh, Bristol, Birmingham etc. Along with flights from Venice and other Italian airports.

Yep, virus is everywhere now
Italy represents our sample test for the rest of Europe
They are showing to us what the reality is like when you start running tests

odyssey06

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This is a general discussion thread for the virus, not one exclusively for panic. The WHO are making comparisons to the flu. For the moment, I'll take their opinion on things over an unverified YouTube report.

They're not equating it to the flu though are they?
Or using comparisons with the flu to argue for reduced concern about the virus?
The flu is a point of reference for its spread etc.

KWAG2019

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

a hoax/media scam?!

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China admitting it has locked down a city of 11 million people. Towns in Northern Italy locked down. A liner locked down. A hotel in Tenerife locked down.

I’ll leave it to people to draw their own conclusions.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Going into town on my break to get masks and such, I've largely avoid this whole thing up until a few days ago when it started turning up in places like Italy, Iran and so on.

They should have shut down international travel via air from China long ago.

fr336

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This is a general discussion thread for the virus, not one exclusively for panic.

The WHO are making comparisons to the flu. For the moment, I'll take their opinion on things over an unverified YouTube report.

I've never mentioned YouTube videos. The WHO have spent the past few days skirting around the issues of whether to call this a pandemic or not. Their press conferences are basically saying "we don't want to call it a pandemic yet, we cling to hope, but be ready". I don't remember this with swine flu or sars. Remind me of when the WHO were holding daily briefings on the flu?

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BanditLuke wrote: »

I'm not posting up my contract or saying where I work but that is how it is. One of them in and out on the Luas to Sandyford the other drives. One other just called in sick in fairness to them.

I don't get paid for sick days either nor in my job before this one, it's in a lot of contracts these days. I still need a cert for 3 or more days though.

DrumSteve

fr336 wrote: »

I've never mentioned YouTube videos. The WHO have spent the past few days skirting around the issues of whether to call this a pandemic or not. Their press conferences are basically saying "we don't want to call it a pandemic yet, we cling to hope, but be ready". I don't remember this with swine flu or sars. Remind me of when the WHO were holding daily briefings on the flu?

Again, I think the WHO are being like this due to the long incubation period of COVID.

Really, the whole world just needs to lock itself away for about 2 weeks.

Mic 1972

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This is a general discussion thread for the virus, not one exclusively for panic.

The WHO are making comparisons to the flu. For the moment, I'll take their opinion on things over an unverified YouTube report.

The WHO are also trying to protect us from the consequences of irrational panic. In fact they are not saying anything wrong. The choice of words and the choice of key indicators have an impact on people perceptions. Sugarcoating might be the most appropriate way to communicate the state of things at the moment
But the actual data is there for everyone to verify

BanditLuke

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Going into town on my break to get masks and such, I've largely avoid this whole thing up until a few days ago when it started turning up in places like Italy, Iran and so on.

They should have shut down international travel via air from China long ago.

You'll be lucky to get masks anywhere now even useless dusk masks are sold out in hardware stores.

GooglePlus

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Going into town on my break to get masks and such, I've largely avoid this whole thing up until a few days ago when it started turning up in places like Italy, Iran and so on.

They should have shut down international travel via air from China long ago.

Do you know where would be best to get the masks?

Might get a few myself in the likely event that it lands on our shores, now that it's spreading fast within the EU.