FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

FrancieBrady

all about the mane wrote: »

Not attempting to shut you out. You have as much of a right as anyone else to post here. (why are the left so sensitive!).But your bias is obvious. And you really should try and maintain a consistent view across all parties. Might give some sense of credibility to your posts.

Maybe if you stopped seeing 'left obsessed' boogeymen under the bed it would be a help.

For the record, I am neither left or right politically. I am right on some issues and left on others.

all about the mane

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe if you stopped seeing 'left obsessed' boogeymen under the bed it would be a help.

For the record, I am neither left or right politically. I am right on some issues and left on others.

To be honest there is very little real left and right parties in this country. And those that are should definitely be avoided. Both ends of the spectrum. Parties such as SF and FF are very similar with FG only slightly removed. You are definitely anti civil war party though which is understandable. Just like I am anti SF as they are just the new FF from what I can see.

Suckit

I reckon 100% head back to the electorate. If FG think they will come out of it better off, then good for them, go for it.
I would love to see it.
Rather than dance around wasting everyone's time for another 5 months, do it now, tell FF that they refuse to go into government with them.
Both FF and FG have already said they wouldn't go into government with SF, so SF are trying (as unlikely as it is) to get the numbers.
Everyone and their dog knows it's not going to happen, but at least they're not sitting on their hands shouting who's supposed to be doing what and who the onus is on.
FF will likely find out they can't get the numbers either, so just stop the sh*t acting FG, if you want another election - go for it.
Hope Soc dems put out some extra candidates too, it's likely they would also benefit.
FG quoting FF's Séamus Brennan all the time with this 'senior hurling' BS, and 'the big boys'.
Stop d*cking around and go for it. They're the only ones half in and half out. Choose, and shut up.

all about the mane

Suckit wrote: »

I reckon 100% head back to the electorate. If FG think they will come out of it better off, then good for them, go for it.
I would love to see it.
Rather than dance around wasting everyone's time for another 5 months, do it now, tell FF that they refuse to go into government with them.
Both FF and FG have already said they wouldn't go into government with SF, so SF are trying (as unlikely as it is) to get the numbers.
Everyone and their dog knows it's not going to happen, but at least they're not sitting on their hands shouting who's supposed to be doing what and who the onus is on.
FF will likely find out they can't get the numbers either, so just stop the sh*t acting FG, if you want another election - go for it.
Hope Soc dems put out some extra candidates too, it's likely they would also benefit.
FG quoting FF's Séamus Brennan all the time with this 'senior hurling' BS, and 'the big boys'.
Stop d*cking around and go for it. They're the only ones half in and half out. Choose, and shut up.

You don't think all options should be explored before going back to the electorate?

Mortelaro

We've had an election
Sf did not win a majority and neither did left wing socialists

The responsible thing to do is for the majority represented centre to form a government That's FF 39 seats (inc 2 healy Raes) FG 37 and green 12 with a rural alliance of Lowry,matty ,Verona etc
That's a whopping stable 91 seats
That's Democracy in action:)

all about the mane

Mortelaro wrote: »

We've had an election
Sf did not win a majority and neither did left wing socialists

The responsible thing to do is for the majority represented centre to form a government That's FF 39 seats (inc 2 healy Raes) FG 37 and green 12 with a rural alliance of Lowry,matty ,Verona etc
That's a whopping stable 91 seats
That's Democracy in action:)

I wouldn't have Lowry, matty & healy raes anywhere near a government. They need to be cut off. That at least would be a sign of moving away from old politics.

Suckit

FG are the ones saying "The people voted for a change, we are willing to respect that" and "The onus is on SF and then FF to for a government"
They told SF, as did FF that they refused to coalesce with them, effectively ruling SF out of government.
The only government that can be formed now realistically is FF, FG + possibly greens with some independents.
That wouldn't be the change that FG said that they are willing to respect. Or are the flip flopping again?

FG seem to be the most mouthy on it, saying last night that they may even welcome another election.
They also said that they would be will to a C&S agreement with FF if the shoe was on the other foot.
Another flip flop.... :rolleyes:
It seems the reality is, all FG want to do is p*ss about for another 5 months, or longer.
It's not that hard to 'explore' all the options.

all about the mane

Suckit wrote: »

FG are the ones saying "The people voted for a change, we are willing to respect that" and "The onus is on SF and then FF to for a government"
They told SF, as did FF that they refused to coalesce with them, effectively ruling SF out of government.
The only government that can be formed now realistically is FF, FG + possibly greens with some independents.
That wouldn't be the change that FG said that they are willing to respect. Or are the flip flopping again?

FG seem to be the most mouthy on it, saying last night that they may even welcome another election.
They also said that they would be will to a C&S agreement with FF if the shoe was on the other foot.
Another flip flop.... :rolleyes:
It seems the reality is, all FG want to do is p*ss about for another 5 months, or longer.
It's not that hard to 'explore' all the options.

Oh really, whats involved in exploring all the options?

Suckit

Mortelaro wrote: »

We've had an election
Sf did not win a majority and neither did left wing socialists

The responsible thing to do is for the majority represented centre to form a government That's FF 39 seats (inc 2 healy Raes) FG 37 and green 12 with a rural alliance of Lowry,matty ,Verona etc
That's a whopping stable 91 seats
That's Democracy in action:)

I didn't say anyone won.



Where are the 37 FG seats coming from?

blanch152

Suckit wrote: »

FG are the ones saying "The people voted for a change, we are willing to respect that" and "The onus is on SF and then FF to for a government"
They told SF, as did FF that they refused to coalesce with them, effectively ruling SF out of government.
The only government that can be formed now realistically is FF, FG + possibly greens with some independents.
That wouldn't be the change that FG said that they are willing to respect. Or are the flip flopping again?

FG seem to be the most mouthy on it, saying last night that they may even welcome another election.
They also said that they would be will to a C&S agreement with FF if the shoe was on the other foot.
Another flip flop.... :rolleyes:
It seems the reality is, all FG want to do is p*ss about for another 5 months, or longer.
It's not that hard to 'explore' all the options.

As I keep saying that is not on FG, there are 125 seats available to all those who wanted FG out, the responsibility is on them to form a government.

Crying that FG won't play with them makes a lie of everything those 125 said in the election campaign about getting FG out.

Mortelaro

Suckit wrote: »

It seems the reality is, all FG want to do is p*ss about for another 5 months, or longer.
It's not that hard to 'explore' all the options.

Ah c'mere now,they are exploring all options
If FF have the greens on board for an FF green FG rural independents government, they can say FF put it together..

easypazz

blanch152 wrote: »

As I keep saying that is not on FG, there are 125 seats available to all those who wanted FG out

Exactly, its not FG's they got beaten down to 20% of the vote and the other 80% can't get it together to drive them out and implement all this change they keep going on about.

Mortelaro

I think,Michael as taoiseach ,an Fg Tanaiste,a green minister for climate and health and housing fixed would be a pretty fucking big example of change, to be fair

Suckit

blanch152 wrote: »

As I keep saying that is not on FG, there are 125 seats available to all those who wanted FG out, the responsibility is on them to form a government.

Crying that FG won't play with them makes a lie of everything those 125 said in the election campaign about getting FG out.

Nobody is suggesting that anything is on anyone, except FG.
They have repeatedly said that the onus is on SF and then FF, which it isn't, but if seeing as SF are very unlikely to be able to form a government, and FF are agreeing to go into government with FG, coupled with FG's openness to go into a C&S with FF, then FG can try that route.

You can't keep saying people are crying that FG won't play with them, when they blatantly aren't.

FG have also said that they believe another election might improve things for them.
They are consistently flip flopping from one to the other, playing games and dragging this out for longer than it needs to be dragged out.

If FG are the 'big boys', then step up and choose one. Either agree to go into talks with FF, or agree that another election is their choice.

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ah c'mere now,they are exploring all options
If FF have the greens on board for an FF green FG rural independents government, they can say FF put it together..

"Exploring all options", with who exactly? Could you ellaborate?

easypazz

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think,Michael as taoiseach ,an Fg Tanaiste,a green minister for climate and health and housing fixed would be a pretty fucking big example of change, to be fair

I saw something about uk recently. They need 6500 houses a week for 10 years to get their housing crisis under control.

That extra population will need a lot of hospitals built and there will be a lot of climate pollution building houses, roads and extra hospitals.

These problems cant be solved because people keep living longer and longer, meaning their houses are occupied longer, hospitals busier etc. etc.

Mortelaro

Suckit wrote: »

"Exploring all options", with who exactly? Could you ellaborate?

Haven't they exchanged policy papers with FF who as the largest party in the Dáil have a baton to negotiate (armed with an outline from a,I must say very helpful list of what their voters might accept)
When FF have agreement in principle from others,then FG can say if they'll join to make it work
All three parties vote then

Plumbthedepths

Mortelaro wrote: »

We've had an election
Sf did not win a majority and neither did left wing socialists

The responsible thing to do is for the majority represented centre to form a government That's FF 39 seats (inc 2 healy Raes) FG 37 and green 12 with a rural alliance of Lowry,matty ,Verona etc
That's a whopping stable 91 seats
That's Democracy in action:)

When did FG pick up an extra 2 seats?
Lowry= corrupt
Murphy= racist
McGarth= idiot.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

As I keep saying that is not on FG, there are 125 seats available to all those who wanted FG out, the responsibility is on them to form a government.

Crying that FG won't play with them makes a lie of everything those 125 said in the election campaign about getting FG out.

Nobody is crying as you well know.
The discussion is FG saying they are relishing going into opposition, meeting with FF and then reaffirming they are going into opposition, then organising talks with FF.
That's their business of course. Playing a game. We are discussing it. The only ones crying and getting irate are the FG flock.

James Brown

easypazz wrote: »

I saw something about uk recently. They need 6500 houses a week for 10 years to get their housing crisis under control.

That extra population will need a lot of hospitals built and there will be a lot of climate pollution building houses, roads and extra hospitals.

These problems cant be solved because people keep living longer and longer, meaning their houses are occupied longer, hospitals busier etc. etc.

When you break records year on year in homelessness and other areas I'd suggest take a look at policy. 'Look over there' or 'It's worse/the same elsewhere' doesn't cut it, nor should it.
The problem will always be there to an extent however breaking records or throwing your hands up is not acceptable. Could you imagine if FG's benefactors were losing profit margin year on year what would happen? They'd bend over backwards to tackle it.
Governments are in the business of managing and looking after the affairs of society as a whole.

Mortelaro

Of course it cuts it
They're the 4th or 5th biggest economy in the world
On our doorstep competing for our labourers, our doctors and our nurses
It was ever thus and wont change

cryptocurrency

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So who's fault is Brexit?

FG???

They are at fault for the position we are about to find us in

all about the mane

cryptocurrency wrote: »

They are at fault for the position we are about to find us in

sure they are

all about the mane

Bowie wrote: »

When you break records year on year in homelessness and other areas I'd suggest take a look at policy. 'Look over there' or 'It's worse/the same elsewhere' doesn't cut it, nor should it.
The problem will always be there to an extent however breaking records or throwing your hands up is not acceptable. Could you imagine if FG's benefactors were losing profit margin year on year what would happen? They'd bend over backwards to tackle it.
Governments are in the business of managing and looking after the affairs of society as a whole.

Not anymore. 80% of the electorate voted for someone else. Let them go and make a government.

James Brown

all about the mane wrote: »

Not anymore. 80% of the electorate voted for someone else. Let them go and make a government.

All the crises over? There's no quick fix or magic wand you know.

all about the mane

Bowie wrote: »

All the crises over? There's no quick fix or magic wand you know.

just get it sorted

James Brown

all about the mane wrote: »

just get it sorted

Not making it worse would be a win at this stage.

all about the mane

Bowie wrote: »

Not making it worse would be a win at this stage.

Thats up to the new government. You know...the 80% that are going to take over?

James Brown

all about the mane wrote: »

Thats up to the new government. You know...the 80% that are going to take over?

No party got 80% comrade. You are bringing 'us and them' to new heights.
At least FG/FF can't do any further damage in the interim.

all about the mane

Bowie wrote: »

No party got 80% comrade. You are bringing 'us and them' to new heights.
At least FG/FF can't do any further damage in the interim.

I never said any party got 80%...

James Brown

all about the mane wrote: »

I never said any party got 80%...

You suggest the 80% could form a government. Even FF/FG are looking like they won't.