Knock/Eirtrade thread

Comhrá

Seems like every day now there's news of airlines grounding their A380 fleets.

The future looks increasingly precarious for the big jet now. Emirates are currently trying to cancel a number of frames they have on order.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericrosen/2020/05/20/air-france-retiring-all-airbus-a380s-immediately/

Cookiemunster

Emirates will continue to fly them though. They make up nearly half their fleet.

Comhrá

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Emirates will continue to fly them though. They make up nearly half their fleet.

I'd guess that 2-3 years from now,or even sooner, Emirates will be the only operator of the type.

Board Walker

https://samchui.com/2020/05/06/lufthansa-technik-is-working-on-worlds-first-a380-cargo-conversion/#.XsZQdRNKhT4

Lufthansa converting A380 for freight

Board Walker

https://samchui.com/2020/05/06/lufthansa-technik-is-working-on-worlds-first-a380-cargo-conversion/#.XsZQdRNKhT4

Lufthansa converting an A380 for freight.

Hotblack Desiato

Wasn't it always said that a 380 didn't really work for freight because it ran out of weight long before it ran out of volume? Strengthening floors and adding cargo doors is going to add to the airframe weight, obviously they will remove the passenger equipment, but still...

TheBoyConor

Forgetting about the parts, would the scrapping of them be able to make a bit of profit on the back of the scrap value of the metals?

If not, then it looks like aircraft scrapping will go like ship scrapping - off to the likes of India and Bangladesh where they'll be chopped up with minimal costs on account of zero thought given to H&S or the environment. Take a look at Chittagong ship breakers to see the level that they operate at over there. I could not expect any different if they start scrapping planes over there.

Imagine if plane scrapping becomes unprofitable in Europe and other developed places. It'll be like this....

"No training, no medical care, no safety. treat him like and animal. If he dies, who cares? Replace him with another one."

imfml

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wasn't it always said that a 380 didn't really work for freight because it ran out of weight long before it ran out of volume? Strengthening floors and adding cargo doors is going to add to the airframe weight, obviously they will remove the passenger equipment, but still...

If there is a demand to move high volume light weight PPE to wherever the next epicentre happens to be for the next couple of years, it could make sense. It does seem to be the beginning of the end for the A380 though.

Lurching

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Forgetting about the parts, would the scrapping of them be able to make a bit of profit on the back of the scrap value of the metals?

A tiny fraction of the value of scrapping an aircraft lies in the metal.
It's all in the components and engines, particularly where there's remaining green time.

California Dreamer

One A380 took to the skies yesterday. First time in over 2 months.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-airbus-a380-manila/

john boye

California Dreamer wrote: »

One A380 took to the skies yesterday. First time in over 2 months.

https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-airbus-a380-manila/

There was a China Southern one in Heathrow too. They haven't stopped flying theirs throughout this.

Rawr

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wasn't it always said that a 380 didn't really work for freight because it ran out of weight long before it ran out of volume? Strengthening floors and adding cargo doors is going to add to the airframe weight, obviously they will remove the passenger equipment, but still...

Makes me wonder if it would be feasible / possible to turn an A380 into a sort of Combi Frieghter / Passenger plane. Lower deck freight, and upper deck passenger cabin as usual.

That's assuming you have routes where there's decent enough demand for both freight and passenger travel.

Lurching

Rawr wrote: »

That's assuming you have routes where there's decent enough demand for both freight and passenger travel.

The majority of air freight goes on normal passenger flights.
Dedicated freighters carry a fraction of the world's air-freight.

(or, at least that's true for Lufthansa - 90% of their freight goes on pax flights)

hopeso

It appears that the dismantling of F-HPJB has finally started at Knock.

Cosmo Kramer

The last (probably) Air France A380 flight took place today. I wonder if any more of them will be headed for Knock in the coming months?

Pat Dunne

hopeso wrote: »

It appears that the dismantling of F-HPJB has finally started at Knock.

I wonder would they sell me a set of First Class seats. Would be great in the Man Cave.

hopeso

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I wonder would they sell me a set of First Class seats. Would be great in the Man Cave.

They have contact info on their website. Can't hurt to ask...... https://eirtradeaviation.com

mickdw

I think the price might be sky high!!

RadioRetro

Would the aircraft not go for scrapping with cabin interior removed?

EDIT: Nope, just watching an episode of Plane Reclaimers and the just delivered 737 has a fully equipped cabin.

hopeso

mickdw wrote: »

I think the price might be sky high!!

Very likely.... But on the other hand, there won't be much demand for second hand A380 seating with the current situation....

scudzilla

Ive been seeing a lot of the keyrings online, jaysus they're some price for a very small piece of metal

joujoujou

So it began...













Looks like they also got SAS 737-700 (SE-REY) to be scrapped.

EchoIndia

Removal of engines is one of the first things to be done. They are liable to be owned by different parties than the airframe.

cson

That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.

cson

cson wrote: »

That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.

Damn, when I first saw the 737 from Oslo on flight radar I was hoping it was a new route being run :-( oh well maybe in the future.

Hotblack Desiato

cson wrote: »

That SAS bird is GECAS owned, only 17 years old.

I suspect the reason it's being scrapped has a lot more to do with the fact it's a -700. They don't save much on operating costs but have less capacity.

HTCOne

And, like the -600, they share a lot of parts with the -800, so in combination with what you say, they become worth more as spares relatively young, just like the A318 and A319 for the 320 or 321 or the A340 for spares for the A330

Lurching

EchoIndia wrote: »

Removal of engines is one of the first things to be done. They are liable to be owned by different parties than the airframe.

I'm not going to totally disagree with you, but I'd imagine the engines on an A380 are some of the least likely to be leased due to their specialization and cost.
Lessors have generally stayed well clear of A380's and likewise (but maybe not to the same degree) their engines.

That being said, the engines still hold a considerable proportion of the value of a scrapped airframe, so would always be whipped off first.

Lurching

Lurching wrote: »

I'm not going to totally disagree with you, but I'd imagine the engines on an A380 are some of the least likely to be leased due to their specialization and cost.
Lessors have generally stayed well clear of A380's and likewise (but maybe not to the same degree) their engines.

That being said, the engines still hold a considerable proportion of the value of a scrapped airframe, so would always be whipped off first.

Engines are generally leased from the engine manufacturers

grayzer75

Deleted User wrote: »

Engines are generally leased from the engine manufacturers

The leasing includes the 24/7 global monitoring and diagnostics in realtime.