Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108579#Comment_118108579

You are indeed dreaming. The only agreement was that all parties who signed up would submit Intended Nationally Determined Contributions (INDCs).

Anyone interested can read the saga of the UN COP here, it will also put the current COP26 in context.

The key to understanding the Paris agreement is to understand what an INDC is and what it isn’t

(1): First of all, the way we understand what the word agreement means is that there is one document – one statement, that all the participants signed and agreed to abide by but there is no such document in the Paris Agreement.

(2): This oddity of what is called an agreement is a creation of the failure of the COPs (United Nations Conference of Parties to the UNFCCC) and that failure is best understood in the context of the history of the UN’s ambition to be a kind of global Environmental Protection Agency by way of the UNEP (united nations environment program).

(3): The UNEP began life with a bang when the UN put together a Global Agreement called the Montreal Protocol where all the nations signed the same document agreeing to change refrigerants. This agreement is credited with having solved the ozone depletion crisis. This apparent success of the newly formed UNEP led to the assumption that the UN could likewise put together a “Montreal Protocol for climate change” (MPFC) with a global agreement to reduce global fossil fuel emissions.

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ggmat799

Miss Great(a), Seriously???? Well it was established that she was given a toolkit (Content) to support Farmer protest in India. Off-course, with motives other than climate or in interest if farmer. Such toolkit was used by (Unaware) media stars (Largely B/C grade movie listers) closely associated with alleged drug users in Bollywood.

She accidentally uploaded the documents and the deletes tweets. So much in name of being an activist. I do not need to add what motivated her to act on someone else instructions.

Farmer protest are paid protest, we all know as most Indian farmer cannot sustain protest as they are not rich and most are temp workers for rich farmers. Most are funded by anti ruling party, Bollywood ( Funded by Mafia and underworld). Same people are being supported by her - This lady, lost all respect.

Media creates such activist and they thrive on such publicity. Outside world will simply think - What a bad thing is taking place in India. While reality is such people have motives and they act on a pre created content to show they are acting as a activist.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/exposed-greta-thunberg-shares-google-doc-revealing-farmer-protest-conspiracy-against-india-deletes-tweet/715650

https://www.dw.com/en/indian-climate-activist-linked-to-greta-thunberg-arrested/a-56567904

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/greta-tweets-deletes-farmprotest-toolkit-creates-uproar/articleshow/80679959.cms

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118107536#Comment_118107536

GretAnon

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108693#Comment_118108693

So that's it crisis averted. Well, that's just awesome. So, is it fair to say that there was the Paris Agreement, but that didn't mean anything, then a few years of activists (Greta being just one of these) calling for meaningful action, and now at COP26, that has been delivered.

Now, even if the politicians were going to come to these agreements now irrespective of the public conversation on the topic over the last few years, I'm just glad everything is fixed. Well, it's going to be fixed, isn't it?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108595#Comment_118108595

Universal human rights, or as they actually are, Western European concepts of human rights and values.

More and more countries are rejecting them entirely or picking some bits.

Ideas of Democracy, Socialism, Capitalism, etc are European countries and a limited few outside that.

They are historical white people politics and beliefs

YFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108811#Comment_118108811

Why does Europe, Australia, Canada and New Zealand have to be the sole drivers of human rights. We help Palestine yet they walk gays off of buildings.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108833#Comment_118108833

Others are now pushing their own values and concepts on human rights, that can often clash with what we think is right.

For them, that is a fundamental social right.

We think it is as wrong as s h i7,it is but they aren't going to listen.

YFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108906#Comment_118108906

Who are others. Gulf States or South East Asia?

Danzy

Everyone east of Warsaw and South of Spain.

Not about the right or wrong of it. It's happening.

I think it is negative.

buried

This thread is hilarious

FGR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118103280#Comment_118103280

To be fair to both him and other world leaders - they all know what is going on. They've been briefed; Biden moreso as the environment is a significant part of his own agenda.

I don't think I could last listening to other politicians trying to get their 15 mins of fame on tv over and over. I would wait for the fun speeches from the heavy polluting countries who genuinely have no interest beyond talking. They'd be entertaining at least.

SEPT 23 1989

So I was watching the news there and Greta in a black hat is allowed to storm into a meeting attended by all the world leaders brushing past security with her little gang unchecked

this really is a clown show

Gaoth Laidir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108569#Comment_118108569

That guy in the 2007 video should be around 30 now. He said by the time he'd be "grown up", (i.e. now), there'd be no clean air, rainforests or polar ice caps. How wrong he was. Now we have the Greta one copying his exact words, and here I was thinking she came up with it herself.

I wonder if Ryan will have some spotty Irish kids with fake American accents on the Late Late this week. I've yet to hear the little upstarts this week.

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118107638#Comment_118107638

So if it were you daughter at school would you have let her life go like this?

I think not. No responsible parent would let that happen to their child.

Pa ElGrande

In the context of COP26 Greta is just a side show for the entertainment of us plebeians, controlled opposition if you like.

The real show can be observed by watching the comings and goings of the Gulfstreams, Bombardiers and Dassault falcons from Glasgow and Prestwick airports.

Do you think billionaires care about the weather? They are not in Glasgow for the weather, the real issues are trade wars (tarriffs) and finance (taxation).

Many countries say they need the money to reach their climate targets and invest in projects that lower emissions. When Indian prime minister Narendra Modi pledged on Monday to reach net zero emissions by 2070, there was a demand attached: $1tn in climate finance to developing countries.

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Everyone agrees there should be more money for climate finance. But that is where the consensus ends. There is little agreement on how to spend the money, who should receive it, or how to make sure it is used effectively. There is even a dispute about how it should be measured, and what should be counted as climate finance.

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Climate change is nothing more than wealth transfer. Our governments are auctioning off our productivity and labour, that's what's happening in Glasgow. This is the standard formwat of these COP meetings

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111413#Comment_118111413

So you're an Alexandria Ocasio Cortez fan.

I mean, she developed a bill to help make the changes required to help the planet.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111968#Comment_118111968

AOC has had the bollox to actually run and is in a position to make actual changes, unlike Greta, who is supposedly fantastic for, well, moaning in your view.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111984#Comment_118111984

Greta is only 18. Pretty sure she can't run for office until she is older, 21 or higher. So hardly fair to criticise her for something that's actually impossible.

And despite being unelected she has managed to get her message heard internationally and by the most important leaders around the world. Not bad for someone that is unelected. That's a hell of a lot more than most back benchers in government.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112210#Comment_118112210

'Her' message has been heard long before she came about on the scene. Climate change has been in the public conscience for a long time now. Nothing in her messaging is new. We've had climate agreements/accords dating back to 1992.

She can run for election in Sweden given she is 18, granted, she has only recently turned 18. But she has made no indication of running ever, let alone any time soon. Time, will of course, tell.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118107788#Comment_118107788

Hypocritical? You holiday abroad. Greta is on a holiday right now.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112269#Comment_118112269

Message was heard but not listened to or acted upon.

And as you said you just admitted your expectations on her running for office are unreasonable.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112356#Comment_118112356

Not acted upon? We had the UNFCCC, Kyoto agreement, Paris accords. This Cop stuff is nothing more than a continuation of what we've had for 30 years. Maybe this time it'll be different, who knows. But to credit what's happening now to Greta T is absurd. You are going on as if these current talks are the first of their kind.

And it's not unreasonable. She can run if she wants, she is an adult, she is supposed to have a big movement behind her. She has not indicated she has any intention, as is her choice obviously.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111413#Comment_118111413

The summit was in Scotland so the fact most took planes is both inevitable and arguments against a totally disingenuous attempt to smear leaders/business leaders.

How else were most of them going to get there?

Even if you accept some European leaders could in theory get trains everyone else would inevitably have to fly to the Continent or London.

So it's a total strawman.

Retr0gamer

She hasn't said she isn't either.

And I never credited it all on Greta, more changing the goalposts by yourself. As for all those agreements and accords, they've been proven to be ineffective and not forward thinking enough which is an issue. They've been limp and ineffective at curbing climate change and real action needs to be taken instead of pussyfooting around the issue with carbon taxes that massive multinationals can find loop holes around or just buy a few trees to be planted.

Greta's message might be unoriginal but it still needs to be heard and put in the forefront of public conscious considering the powers that being have been warned for well over 100 years about it and have yet to do anything meaningful about it.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112210#Comment_118112210

Nope, 18 is old enough to run for office in Sweden. Not sure if there are any educational barriers, considering she's only got the Swedish equivalent of a Junior Cert.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112210#Comment_118112210

You can run for office in Sweden at 18, anyway she has said she has no intentions of doing so, after seeing some of her unscripted performances I can see why.

elperello

That old "why don't you run for election" jibe is regularly thrown at people who make their voices heard on matters of public policy.

Properly organised civil society allows citizens become involved in issues on many levels and representative politics is just one.

Interest groups like IBEC, ICTU, IFA etc. all represent their members and various NGOs speak for a variety of interests as well.

If everyone who had something to say about some contentious issue ran for election the ballot paper would have to come in instalments.

kowloonkev

If Greta and her friends were really interested in making a change they wouldn't be so aggressive and insulting to people in power and older generations. Why don't these kids cancel Christmas and reject materialism and set an example? Make an impact by telling their own generation to stop being selfish consumers.

Adults don't like being lectured to by kids who don't have a clue about how hard life is because the kids involved here don't have to make decisions like... should I eat today and contribute to climate change or starve to death because I can't afford the greener alternative.

They can spout their catchy slogans, offer zero solutions and be heroes while the people charged with making agreements across 200 countries that is going to kill people either way, and grind human civilization to a halt, and all the complexities of that; these guys get to be the villains.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112528#Comment_118112528

It's been heard for the previous 26 years, what do you think the 26 in COP 26 means? As you have admitted yourself, her message is not original at all, making it rather pointless. What we need is original thinking in how to go about solving the problem, not silly slogans and useless speeches that regurgitate what everyone already knows but done so in a completely hyperbolic way.

And I never said you gave her all the credit, maybe move your own goalposts back.

Gaoth Laidir

I see Greta has rubbished the COP before it's even finished, labelling it the most "excluding COP ever" and a "two week celebration of business as usual and blah blah blah". Maybe she's just pissed that she didn't get an invite and is getting her retaliation in first. What a dose she is, but I see some Irish teens are over there too lending a hand. Watch for the fake American accents when they'll no doubt be interviewed on Six One later.

Youth activists to demand climate action at COP26 (rte.ie)