Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

Potatoeman

So the mayor of LA tested positive for Covid after returning home and loads of police. I can imagine the number of protesters that picked it up. They’re on top of each other.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108623#Comment_118108623

Protests generally achieve very little and there are very few examples you can point to where they have proven successful. As it turns out they haven't done much that she asked or told people to do and she’s very annoyed so the protests have not worked. It's far more likely that the alarming reports we've been seeing over the last couple of years have had more of an effect of focusing minds.

I really wouldn't attribute it to somebody who's now reduced herself to shouting insults at people and dismissing any agreements that would have come about.  Those in power, in other words the ones who have reached these commitments, have tolerated these views without necessarily giving them much attention. The good thing so far is the fact that they have agreed and now we have targets that they can be held to task on. 

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124362#Comment_118124362

Protests generally achieve very little and there are very few examples you can point to where they have proven successful.

Nonsense.

Suffragette movement, civil rights advances, Freedom of sexual identity, the right to divorce, the right to get an abortion all came about as a consequence of the growing public desire for these things. Hell even the metered billing of water supplies in Ireland was cancelled as a consequence of protests.

The alarming reports you talk about have been reported on and heard by more people because in part of the public awareness of the topic which Greta deserves some credit in generating.

But go off, haters gonna hate.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124525#Comment_118124525

I really never understood that expression. I always saw it as a sign of somebody who'd run out of argument. You don't have to engage with things that you don’t like, any more then I need to be persuaded the opinion of this young woman is worth considering. People have different opinions so let it lie and resist the temptation to insult or pigeonhole people who disagree with you.

I don't hate the young woman, it's far worse I'm indifferent to her. She just came to my attention again this week because of some of her very stupid comments and complete intransigence. Apparently everything so far is a failure when most of the adults see that there are signs that we're going to move in the right direction. We just have to make sure that we continue in that direction and her jumping up and down unfortunately is just not going to do that.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124553#Comment_118124553

I really never understood that expression. I always saw it as a sign of somebody who'd run out of argument. You don't have to engage with things that you don’t like, any more then I need to be persuaded the opinion of this young woman is worth considering. People have different opinions so let it lie and resist the temptation to insult or pigeonhole people who disagree with you.

You might want to edit your post saying protests do nothing, it's patently false.

As for Greta, I stand by my comments as to how people react about her. She could find a permanent cure for Covid and some people would be asking why didn't she cure cancer first.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124581#Comment_118124581

I said generally and your only examples were way back in history and a monumental Phil Hogan screwup. There are thousands of others that did nothing and I am happy to repeat to repeat that they generally do not effect change. I take your point about here but you really should stop insulting people who disagree with you.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124581#Comment_118124581

I don’t think an 18yo with only her Junior Cert is gonna be curing anything.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124617#Comment_118124617

Wrong again. Divorce, abortion, same sex marriage, Irish water all were in the last few years. The BLM protests are a continuation of the civil rights protests from years ago.

That aside, this is why politicians are finally acting on the climate, because the electorate is demanding it more and more.

https://twitter.com/stuart_gibson/status/1456623954135822338

If they didn't think it would impact them at the ballot box, they'd let the energy companies continue to dictate policy.

"protests work" is an opinion about as unproven and indeed unprovable as any you might try to come up with

Pointing out anything good that has ever happened and claiming it was because of protests is not a very convincing argument

World leaders dont come to decisions because teenagers have strong opinions about things

Climate change is a massive challenge that was always on the agenda and consensus across swathes of public policy, science and opinion is a serious driver even if projected future impacts in themselves arent (politicians are short sighted beasts by nature and as a rule)

Greta thunberg being your favouretest ickle tantrumer is neither here nor there and its telling that whenever challenged to note a single thing she has actually ever achieved the only comeback of actual concrete is "get noticed", accompanied by your usual childish adhom because you think you are entitled to insult anybody not in the fan club

World leaders pandering to her was a mistake and a distraction and shes already yesterday's news and tbh now an unwelcome and unhappy little asterisk to the very real progress made by people of note

One would wish for the media to report more responsibly on her antics but one would be naive to expect it

The other poster is right about your throwing insults about also, of course. Paucity of argument is all it is.

One would presume youd be happy to see great progress on the issues that matter. I think its very telling that its another thread where a high percentage of the posts are you taking snide and baseless digs at people rather than focus on actual events

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124783#Comment_118124783

You guys can give it but can't take it. That much is as obvious as it is unsurprising. If you think my posts are merely throwing insults, go ahead and report them.

And if my arguments are so weak, go ahead and show that in response. Just saying something isn't proven, isn't the same as disproving it, that much is plain to see. And aside from the proven correlation between public opinion being evidenced through protests and this leading to politicians ultimately getting on board, we could further point to the extremes authoritarian figures go to in order to quell protests with the most recent example of this being the last President of the US who begged governors to call in the National Guard to quell BLM protests last summer.

It is interesting to see the argument shift from one where 'there isn't really a problem' to Climate change is a massive challenge that was always on the agenda'. As for the inference that Greta is a favourite little protester of mine, I'm not the one starting threads about her am I?

AllForIt

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1456659358230720512

She's a bit blah blah blah herself if you ask me.

Who writes her speeches? Who are the people behind her? Do we actually know who they are by name or are they hidden?

Anyway, what 'she' is essentially saying there is demanding that our governments prevent us living our lives the way we do, by force. That there is no technological way to reduce emissions or getting around it by doing things differently - but by not doing things at all. Which is more than a bit unrealistic.

padd b1975

Someone like Andrew Neil really needs to sit this madam down and give her an unmerciful filleting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/greta-thunberg-leads-cop26-protests-climate-change-glasgow-youth/100599934

Australia to Glasgow is about as far as you can fly

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126760#Comment_118126760

given she would chew him up and spit him back out again, he would be wasting all of our, and his time given he wouldn't be able to argue against her.

SouthWesterly

I just can't understand how any right minded individual can give her the time of day

She's a jumped up, self opinionated little girl who needs to be told be useful and get back to school and learn something instead of shouting slogans.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129566#Comment_118129566

In fairness to her she is being used and being given speeches to read by what seems to be an increasingly frustrated group of people. As she started off with extreme speeches she now has no where to go bar incitement to violence. It’s all a bit sad really the way she is being treated.

walshb

What exactly is this attention seeking unruly trouble stirring anarchist child looking for? Other than attention and anarchy and trouble..

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126095#Comment_118126095

Anarchists and very dodgy characters, she has allready alligned herself with antifa thugs.

No doubt she is a big fan of radical Islam too .

XR will be bombing airports soon ... and the media have been cheering her on all this time.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129375#Comment_118129375

Yes, so when they return they'll have travelled the equivalent of one revolution of the globe. That's more air travel I've done in my lifetime.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129644#Comment_118129644

Yes she is clearly being used. She's much more presentable that those long bearded long haired wrinkly dowdy tree hugger types.

I see kids are getting in on the act here - usually middle class kids I've noticed with flowing long hair down to their hips with a flower stuck somewhere in it. Very clever whomever got the kids in on the act. They come across as genuine but of course are clueless of the consequences and unrealistic-ness of what they are demanding.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129667#Comment_118129667

Her mission is to gain attention not for herself per se but to stir individuals & organisations to maintain political pressure to the cause of halting the growth of climate change. If she brings upon herself attention so be it, her mind would say. In my reckoning. I don’t think she’s too worried about likes of Boardsies reckoning she’s egotistical as ling as the goal is in sight whether achieved or not.

Hego Damask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129701#Comment_118129701

And then daddy picks them up in the range rover, you couldn't write this sh1t...

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129701#Comment_118129701

Given the scientists are on the side of the kids I'd say the cluelessness with respect to consequences is largely on the side of the people who think things can continue as they are.

But hey, you've a couple of oil CEO's who tell you don't worry about it and I'm sure they know best...

TomSweeney

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-59254298

And the BBC emboldening them, this will become a normal thing soon, and when will "small cars" not be enough ? just cars in general.

These people are unemployed little thugs looking for an excuse to cause anarchy, they want to destroy not find practical solutions.

As mentioned before, let's see how long it takes them to start bombing airports.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154763#Comment_118154763

Hard to believe an adult probably wrote this.

You really think that 'unemployed little thugs' sat around thinking about creating anarchy and the best they could come up with is 'lets deflate tyres on luxury cars'?

And deduced from that that they're only a few steps from bombing airports. That's a leap in logic so unlikely only the likes of Tucker Carlson or Michael Graham would be capable of making it.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154895#Comment_118154895

It achieves nothing other than annoying people. Not one of the victims of this are going to reflect on their vehicle choice. The note alone may have achieved more, but what was the carbon footprint of printing the flyers and the extra travel by service vehicles travelling to fix this little stunt. It was done to make themselves feel like they are doing something, nothing else.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154895#Comment_118154895

Tucker Carlson, Michael Graham or The Economist, eh??

https://www.economist.com/the-world-if/2020/07/04/what-if-climate-activists-turn-to-terrorism

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155084#Comment_118155084

It achieved getting several news items being published on the matter leading to more public conversation, including here.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155094#Comment_118155094

I don't know what point you were trying to prove by actually proving such views are limited to make belief stories. The very first line.

Editor’s note: Each of these climate-change articles is fiction.

You gotta wonder where we are at when people are getting antsy about make belief stuff and ignoring the facts of what is happening in the real world don't you?

SupplyandDemandZone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118129775#Comment_118129775

It's all about the virtue signalling .