Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

i_surge

Pretty obvious at this point that a collective response to a global problem is an impossibility in the modern world. Bit sad as the lockdowns showed how quick pollution can be reversed.

"Economy" is the only motive anyone cares about, very few people have an appetite for sacrifice unless it directly concerns them in a visible immediate way. People have shown themselves to be a terrible disappointment generally.

The environmentalists are useless. There is no intelligent design to any of it and their grasp of physical science and priorities is appalling. Meat frees Mondays are not the answer.

Might have to build a bunker or something

Pa ElGrande

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Greta Thunberg must be in a terrible place mentally now.
. .. .

Why the concern trolling now? All of this is known and written about in the media and her Mothers book. Her issues have been known from the outset of this campaign by her parents, and the public relations team that promoted her, that Greta Thunberg has the following conditions:

1. Aspergers syndrome.
2. an obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).
3. a history of self harm.


Both Greta and her sister come from a comfortable upper middle class background in Sweden and materially they want for nothing. Their parents are active in the entertainment industry in Sweden and across Europe, their mother being an opera singer who plied her trade internationally and the father running his own production company as well as some acting roles. We are told Greta has Asperger's syndrome which is a condition on the Autism spectrum, it does not render you powerless or however in manifests in behaviours that affect how you interact or understand other people. In Gretas case around puberty she probably found herself isolated from her classmates and starting to go through changes which she did not understand and with nobody to turn to to pick this up, remember the mother is an international singer and the father is the house husband who also has his own company to run. She can't cope and goes into meltdown, eventually hers sister follows suit as well.
They seem to have been starved of attention by their mother and they basically force her personally to prepare food for them and that them to school and treatment, in other words they grounded her. You can't blame the parents for not knowing about Aspergers syndrome most don't and would not expect it, however, more attentive parents might have noticed their child not doing well socially or at school and possibly would done something about it before Greta went into meltdown.

Compounding the situation of an girl in her state, her school showed a propaganda video of starving Polar bears, "extreme weather" events and impending climate doom which become highly personalised for Greta due to her condition and fed her sense of catastrophe. Eventually the parents with help figured out what is wrong and she is sent to a special school but climate change is still her obsession and the bond that ties the family together. In puberty children tend to go through one of more growth spurts, at that stage of development Greta is not eating and so her body is starved of resources and the consequence is what your picture shows. She has a vegan diet and we can speculate is likely not getting the correct balance of essential elements. Malnutrition is very common in people who adopt a vegan diet (not exclusive to Vegans other diets as well) you have to know what you are doing when you don't get it right it shows up clearly in your physical appearance.


Knowing all this the people who use Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming as a vehicle of convenience to further their interests fully exploited her condition and appearance to present her as a young child with pig tails and they did so with the consent of her parents and used a public relations machine to boost a UN conference. They probably hoped to get a few years out of Greta due to her small stature.

For Greta there is the validation not being ignored like before, however, she is now trapped with basic level education looking for every bush fire or rain storm as evidence of climate change to keep that validation alive. She has the luxury of living an environment that will support her obsession and living out her perception of ecological living. This is why you see her in second-hand clothes all part of the image she wants to portray that is her obsession and the fixation is an attribute of her condition.


The weather is something we will never control and there are much more important things to deal with today. Greta has the substantial prize money to fund her eco-lifestyle, the rest of us need to get on with the business of life and pull ourselves out of the debt and employment crisis we find ourselves in as a consequence of economic shutdowns ordered to prevent the overwhelming of the public health systems with too many sick people.


Greta does have a lesson for us, don't neglect your children while they are growing up. There are times when we need to intervene in their lives and not let something get out of control, most commonly that is bullying, and since I left school there is social media which we have no real experience so we need to be attentive.

i_surge

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Why the concern trolling now? All of this is known and written about in the media and her Mothers book. Her issues have been known from the outset of this campaign by her parents, and the public relations team that promoted her, that Greta Thunberg has the following conditions:

1. Aspergers syndrome.
2. an obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).
3. a history of self harm.


Both Greta and her sister come from a comfortable upper middle class background in Sweden and materially they want for nothing. Their parents are active in the entertainment industry in Sweden and across Europe, their mother being an opera singer who plied her trade internationally and the father running his own production company as well as some acting roles. We are told Greta has Asperger's syndrome which is a condition on the Autism spectrum, it does not render you powerless or however in manifests in behaviours that affect how you interact or understand other people. In Gretas case around puberty she probably found herself isolated from her classmates and starting to go through changes which she did not understand and with nobody to turn to to pick this up, remember the mother is an international singer and the father is the house husband who also has his own company to run. She can't cope and goes into meltdown, eventually hers sister follows suit as well.
They seem to have been starved of attention by their mother and they basically force her personally to prepare food for them and that them to school and treatment, in other words they grounded her. You can't blame the parents for not knowing about Aspergers syndrome most don't and would not expect it, however, more attentive parents might have noticed their child not doing well socially or at school and possibly would done something about it before Greta went into meltdown.

Compounding the situation of an girl in her state, her school showed a propaganda video of starving Polar bears, "extreme weather" events and impending climate doom which become highly personalised for Greta due to her condition and fed her sense of catastrophe. Eventually the parents with help figured out what is wrong and she is sent to a special school but climate change is still her obsession and the bond that ties the family together. In puberty children tend to go through one of more growth spurts, at that stage of development Greta is not eating and so her body is starved of resources and the consequence is what your picture shows. She has a vegan diet and we can speculate is likely not getting the correct balance of essential elements. Malnutrition is very common in people who adopt a vegan diet (not exclusive to Vegans other diets as well) you have to know what you are doing when you don't get it right it shows up clearly in your physical appearance.


Knowing all this the people who use Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming as a vehicle of convenience to further their interests fully exploited her condition and appearance to present her as a young child with pig tails and they did so with the consent of her parents and used a public relations machine to boost a UN conference. They probably hoped to get a few years out of Greta due to her small stature.

For Greta there is the validation not being ignored like before, however, she is now trapped with basic level education looking for every bush fire or rain storm as evidence of climate change to keep that validation alive. She has the luxury of living an environment that will support her obsession and living out her perception of ecological living. This is why you see her in second-hand clothes all part of the image she wants to portray that is her obsession and the fixation is an attribute of her condition.


The weather is something we will never control and there are much more important things to deal with today. Greta has the substantial prize money to fund her eco-lifestyle, the rest of us need to get on with the business of life and pull ourselves out of the debt and employment crisis we find ourselves in as a consequence of economic shutdowns ordered to prevent the overwhelming of the public health systems with too many sick people.


Greta does have a lesson for us, don't neglect your children while they are growing up. There are times when we need to intervene in their lives and not let something get out of control, most commonly that is bullying, and since I left school there is social media which we have no real experience so we need to be attentive.

Sure and it begs the question of how much we should we should turn to people suffering from mental illnesses for advice.

Eating disorders are particularly strange and require a lot of underlying neuroses.

The climate does need to be addressed in a pragmatic design up way.

I'm not fully educated on the climate change issue, but regardless, I've always felt a bit sorry for her. She's obviously being used by others to push a particular agenda. A 16 year old with PR team, speechwriters etc... comes across as disingenuous and exploitive.

Tell me how

Greta seems to be doing fine. All things considered.

Still drawing attention to the climate issue.
Still doing her weekly school strike.
Still meeting influential politicians to discuss it.
Still winning awards for her efforts.
Still donating to groups/communities who need assistance as a result of climate issue.
Still showing up all people who are failing in their duty to implement necessary changes.
Still occupying the minds of keyboard warriors who are triggered by her.

I would agree that it must be very worrying for her to see the difficulties medical people have in getting people to do basic things to help themselves in the midst of a global pandemic.
Climate change becoming irreversible will not be a failing of Greta it will be an acknowledgment that either, society is by and large unable to act in its own best interests, or that lobby groups focused on the interests of big business have too much of a hold on governance systems worldwide.

Pa ElGrande

i_surge wrote: »

Sure and it begs the question of how much we should we should turn to people suffering from mental illnesses for advice.

Nobody takes advice from Greta. This is all public relations she is just there for the photo-op so the great and good can virtue signal before getting on their jet planes. Greta is only a pawn in game of life.

i_surge wrote: »

The climate does need to be addressed in a pragmatic design up way.

Lots of snouts in the through the intention behind the UN Greta PR campaign was to try resurrect the 2015 Paris Agreement. China and India circumvented it and the US has pulled out, only EU citizens are stuck with the bill.

Humans don't control the climate, that's our ego at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

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Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Humans don't control the climate, that's our ego at work.

Science says you are wrong.

https://twitter.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1296107822405554177

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

Science says you are wrong.

Science does not generate hyperbole and hysteria only alarmists do.

In case you did not notice this year there were 2 publications and a film that go against the alarmist narrative.

First you have Jeff Gibbs/Michael Moores Planet of the Humans, then Bjorn Lomborg’s False Alarm, and Michael Schellenberger’s Apocalypse Never. All have a common theme that the environmental activists have been captured, politicised, and monetised and that the concern for the environment has, as Lomborg said created a false climate alarm which has “costs us trillions, hurts the poor, and fails to fix the planet.” These guys all come from an environmental activist background and that alone makes their public revelations even more noteworthy. The tide may be turning.

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Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Science does not generate hyperbole and hysteria only alarmists do.

In case you did not notice this year there were 2 publications and a film that go against the alarmist narrative.

2 publications and 1 film. Versus the tens of thousands of publications and hundreds of documentaries saying there is a problem.

That disparity alone should tell you something.

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

2 publications and 1 film. Versus the tens of thousands of publications and hundreds of documentaries saying there is a problem.

That disparity alone should tell you something.

Of course, that's where the money is all parroting the same propaganda. As Shellenberger said environmentalism has become a manifestation of an “underlying anxiety and unhappiness in my own life that had little to do with climate change or the state of the natural environment." It became a quasi-religion offering “emotional relief” and “spiritual satisfaction” for those, like him, who may have lost the guidance of traditional spiritual faiths.

Schellenberg also made the observation that "the trouble with the new environmental religion is that it has become increasingly apocalyptic, destructive, and self-defeating."


The best parallel for the cult of Thunberg is probably the 16th and 17th centuries spread of Puritanism which was essentially a campaign to purify worship and signal virtue and look what that started. . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYY1CFKzTg

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I'd be more inclined to say the 'cult of thunberg' is more accurately apportioned to people who cant stop talking about her.

gozunda

Paddygreen wrote: »

Greta’s message is what matters “listen to the science”. If it wasn’t for grassroots activists like Greta we would still think nazism was a viable concept.

Paddy that's the funniest thing you've written to date

I do suspect it is a mirrored image of Godwins law where "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches"

So who was this gretesque figure who actively campaigned against nazism becoming a "viable concept" following WW2 exactly?

Considering Swedens and Swedish industrialist history of hopping into bed with Hitler et al - I somehow reckon they weren't from Sweden or any other Lebensborn affiliated countries ...

The other trouble is greta doesn't appear to listen to the "science" herself - she just scolds everyone that they have ruined her childhood etc etc ...

CertifiedSimp

Why do humans get blamed for things like animals going extinct when animals have been going extinct since the beginning of time?

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CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Why do humans get blamed for things like animals going extinct when animals have been going extinct since the beginning of time?

Why are people charged with murder when people have been dying since the beginning of time?

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

Greta seems to be doing fine. All things considered.

Still drawing attention to the climate issue.
Still doing her weekly school strike.
Still meeting influential politicians to discuss it.
Still winning awards for her efforts.
Still donating to groups/communities who need assistance as a result of climate issue.
Still showing up all people who are failing in their duty to implement necessary changes.
Still occupying the minds of keyboard warriors who are triggered by her.

and she still got love for the streets

its the g.r.e.

Pa ElGrande

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Why do humans get blamed for things like animals going extinct when animals have been going extinct since the beginning of time?

Well, Some we do (The Great Auk) and some we don't (Mammoths). Other extinctions are extremely specialised creatures that cannot adapt to changes in their environment and they are already marginal so even the introduction of rats or cats to their local environment will kill them.

Randall Carlson is always interesting on the geologic pre-history catch the Joe Rogan interviews.

Here he is on Mammoths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQUGRJIrzfw

mikeym

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not fully educated on the climate change issue, but regardless, I've always felt a bit sorry for her. She's obviously being used by others to push a particular agenda. A 16 year old with PR team, speechwriters etc... comes across as disingenuous and exploitive.

Shes going to be 18 next January.

Truthvader

mikeym wrote: »

Shes going to be 18 next January.

Maybe she will get a $10,000,000 carbon fibre yacht of her own so she wont have to borrow the neighbours every time she wants to go on holiday - which is all the time cos she won't go to school

gozunda

Truthvader wrote: »

Maybe she will get a $10,000,000 carbon fibre yacht of her own so she wont have to borrow the neighbours every time she wants to go on holiday - which is all the time cos she won't go to school

Thats not beyond imagination tbh.

Pa ElGrande

Deleted User wrote: »

and she still got love for the streets

its the g.r.e.

This is virtue signalling same as the great and good do before they hop on their private jets to drop off their children to "liberal arts" school or fly some place warm with another twenty something.

On the radio programme, she was critical of the way high-ranking figures had behaved after her UN appearance.

She said: “Presidents, prime ministers, kings and princesses came and wanted to talk to me.

“They saw me and suddenly saw the chance that they could take a photo with me for their Instagram account. Then the hashtag #savetheplanet.

source

They gave her a few quid for her tax efficient non-profit foundation and then bunged another million her way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBYJdZlpBT4

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Tell me how wrote: »

Science says you are wrong.

https://twitter.com/ScottDuncanWX/status/1296107822405554177

Looks spectacular, but .010 of a degree? If I made the same graph on a different scale it would be flat.

Thelonious Monk

I really don't see the point of these threads any more. Some people believe in man made climate change and the science, and from what I can tell the majority of boards people don't believe in it, and are unwilling to make any changes in their life.
So just a never ending discussion with Pa El Grande posting video after video that no one will ever watch.

hetuzozaho

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So just a never ending discussion with Pa El Grande posting video after video that no one will ever watch.

That we can all agree on!

hetuzozaho

I see the making fun of her appearance is still going on too!

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I really don't see the point of these threads any more. Some people believe in man made climate change and the science, and from what I can tell the majority of boards people don't believe in it, and are unwilling to make any changes in their life. So just a never ending discussion with Pa El Grande posting video after video that no one will ever watch.

I would ask - are you somehow suggesting that only certain posters be allowed to comment on such threads or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

The subject of the thread is 'greta thunberg' her travels etc and is a continuation of the first thread titled "Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet."
and not soley a discussion on 'climate change' or any other topic.

You certainly don't have to be a greta supporter to be a card carrying climate change believer afaik.

That said the comment reminds me of something I read a while ago which I think may be of relevance to all posters regardless of viewpoint ...

If maintaining courtesy, respect, and exercising tolerance of opposing views is difficult for you, then a public forum format may not be a good fit.

I personally find Pa's posts interesting and detailed. No idea why you are having a pop at him personally. Plenty of other regular posters contributing to be fair.

Truthvader

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I really don't see the point of these threads any more. Some people believe in man made climate change and the science, and from what I can tell the majority of boards people don't believe in it, and are unwilling to make any changes in their life.
So just a never ending discussion with Pa El Grande posting video after video that no one will ever watch.

Don't think that is the point. The unfortunate Gretta is not required to explain anything to the rest of us and many are rightly concerned and annoyed that a disturbed teenager is wheeled out as some kind of messiah when she brings nothing new to the table and is living a delusional, unsustainable fantasy life herself.
If she can get me a $10,000,000 yacht (and fly in a crew) I promise (covid permitting) to give a Ryanair a miss next Summer

Tea drinker

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I really don't see the point of these threads any more. Some people believe in man made climate change and the science, and from what I can tell the majority of boards people don't believe in it, and are unwilling to make any changes in their life.
So just a never ending discussion with Pa El Grande posting video after video that no one will ever watch.

IMHO You are incorrect. Yes many people don't believe the science that was proved incorrect time and time again. Yes as time goes on and compute power improves it gets better.
BUT! I think vast majority see there's something a bit wrong in the consumer society and have taken on board the simple slogan "reduce, re-use, recycle."
Habitat destruction is important to many people too. Greening where we live too.
There's many initiatives now countering human impact that just weren't there 30 years ago.

In contrast I think online life has become much more toxic, this thread is just another **** show where no one is learning anything just soapboxing.
I can probably be included in that.

CertifiedSimp

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I see the making fun of her appearance is still going on too!

It's seemingly ok for everyone else who's in public life? Why not Greta?

Thelonious Monk

Tea drinker wrote: »

IMHO You are incorrect. Yes many people don't believe the science that was proved incorrect time and time again. Yes as time goes on and compute power improves it gets better.
BUT! I think vast majority see there's something a bit wrong in the consumer society and have taken on board the simple slogan "reduce, re-use, recycle."
Habitat destruction is important to many people too. Greening where we live too.
There's many initiatives now countering human impact that just weren't there 30 years ago.

In contrast I think online life has become much more toxic, this thread is just another **** show where no one is learning anything just soapboxing.
I can probably be included in that.

We're consuming more than ever now. We're destroying habitat more than ever now. There might be a few pissing in the wind initiatives but if we wanted to make a real difference to the Earth we'd need a huge overhaul of how we live our lives. And that isn't happening any time soon, people would sooner go to war than have less money/stuff.

Thelonious Monk

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

It's seemingly ok for everyone else who's in public life? Why not Greta?

Mocking the looks of a teenage girl should never be excused, in my opinion. It's just pathetic.