Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

fly_agaric

So I hear you're a fascist now Verhofstadt :rolleyes:

Euro-scepticism really is a mind-altering drug (as evidenced by much of the absolute scutter on the thread).

Boredstiff666

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Bollox. The Eurosceptics have been parroting these insipid soundbites for years now.

Every man and his dog has been talking of such including wannaby EU leaders like Bliar.

FrancieBrady

Can somebody tell me what the problem is with an EU Army if an army is needed?

Why would you cede control to something that is essentially run by the US?

ancapailldorcha

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what the problem is with an EU Army if an army is needed?

Why would you cede control to something that is essentially run by the US?

It's weird how some of the anti-EU brigade support Trump whose America First policy is basically the catalyst which has prompted remarks such as the above. I met a chap in London once who'd worked in military logistics who did a good job of explaining why an EU army would make sense.

Ultimately, Eurosceptics have spent so long peddling lies and BS that it's impossible to take these talking points seriously or even in good faith. Europeans are bad for relying too much on the US to protect them and Europeans are bad for seriously looking into stepping up and protecting themselves.

You couldn't make it up.

Boredstiff666

Dytalus wrote: »

Apologies, I misread your post. You are correct: It was reported as such.

But a number of legal guarantees regarding the treaty were provided, on the request of the Irish government, which addressed Irish concerns regarding the treaty. Then we voted on the amended document.

We were not asked to vote on the same thing twice. Those who say we did (including an opinion peace in the 'lefty media') are at best misinformed, at worst are willfully lying to stoke anti-EU sentiment.

The Gaurdian is one of the most pro EU papers around. Even in those days when the UK Labour party were advocating a referendum.

This also highlights one of the problems with political people and their papers/backers in every country.

For example the UK Labour party has been as much anti EU as the Tory's and just swing anyway they like to suit.

Boredstiff666

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's weird how some of the anti-EU brigade support Trump whose America First policy is basically the catalyst which has prompted remarks such as the above. I met a chap in London once who'd worked in military logistics who did a good job of explaining why an EU army would make sense.

Ultimately, Eurosceptics have spent so long peddling lies and BS that it's impossible to take these talking points seriously or even in good faith. Europeans are bad for relying too much on the US to protect them and Europeans are bad for seriously looking into stepping up and protecting themselves.

You couldn't make it up.

You have a very valid point but some people and if you look back in history you will find that Europeans have a disastrous history when it comes to armed intervention at the cost of millions of British, American, Irish and other countries lives.

To be honest on their history. I wouldnt let any of them be armed with a pea shooter.

biko

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's weird how some of the anti-EU brigade support Trump whose America First policy is basically the catalyst which has prompted remarks such as the above. I met a chap in London once who'd worked in military logistics who did a good job of explaining why an EU army would make sense.

Ultimately, Eurosceptics have spent so long peddling lies and BS that it's impossible to take these talking points seriously or even in good faith. Europeans are bad for relying too much on the US to protect them and Europeans are bad for seriously looking into stepping up and protecting themselves.

You couldn't make it up.

As I suspected, you are pro-EU and pro-EU Army.
That's fine, as long as you can understand there are some of us that don't want our children to be drafted into an army to fight battles for Germany.

100 years ago some Irish signed up for the Brits army. And some didn't.

biko

You really have two kinds of people
the first kind wants to merge with the whole, some big melting pot mentality
the second kind don't want to merge but to retain individuality and distinctiveness

ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

As I suspected, you are pro-EU and pro-EU Army.
That's fine, as long as you can understand there are some of us that don't want our children to be drafted into an army to fight battles for Germany.

100 years ago some Irish signed up for the Brits army. And some didn't.

You suspected that I'm pro-EU? I've literally thousands of posts about Brexit on this site.

And pro-EU army? Feck off with your strawman. I simply said that the idea has some merit but you've just done the usual Eurosceptic thing of distorting rather than engaging with fact with a bit of fantasy German fascism thrown in to boot.

timetogo1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

You have a very valid point but some people and if you look back in history you will find that Europeans have a disastrous history when it comes to armed intervention at the cost of millions of British, American, Irish and other countries lives.

To be honest on their history. I wouldnt let any of them be armed with a pea shooter.

So you trust the US? Is their history all rosy?

biko

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It is the French who you need to worry about. They have a history of starting something and running away leaving others to clear up and get killed.

That's racist, dude

Boredstiff666

biko wrote: »

That's racist, dude

Ah well if we are going down that route of stopping people of speaking on recent history then the whole threads pointless let alone as you say.

So time to watch what happens from now on and leaving you to solve nothing.

Boredstiff666

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Really check out who started the Vietnamn war for recent events.

Ho requested political assistance from the U.S. in preventing the French from returning after WW2 after fighting the Japanese, something that the French and British disagreed with, the British forces in place actually released French and Japanese pows to help hold power until they could hand it back to the French.

From then on the U.S. obsession with communism ended up prolonging the conflict.

RobMc59

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You suspected that I'm pro-EU? I've literally thousands of posts about Brexit on this site.

And pro-EU army? Feck off with your strawman. I simply said that the idea has some merit but you've just done the usual Eurosceptic thing of distorting rather than engaging with fact with a bit of fantasy German fascism thrown in to boot.

The advantages of being in the EU are plain to see but unconditional adoration and swallowing of every edict from Brussels is a disturbing trait.

ancapailldorcha

RobMc59 wrote: »

The advantages of being in the EU are plain to see but unconditional adoration and swallowing of every edict from Brussels is a disturbing trait.

Can you quote posts to substantiate this please?

biko

RobMc59 wrote: »

The advantages of being in the EU are plain to see but unconditional adoration and swallowing of every edict from Brussels is a disturbing trait.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Can you quote posts to substantiate this please?

Have you yourself not said there are advantages of being in the EU? Why does he need to link to posts about that?








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ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

Have you yourself not said there are advantages of being in the EU? Why does he need to link to posts about that?

He doesn't have to link anything if he doesn't want to but it'd be nice to see where I've "swallowed every edict from Brussels" while expressing "unconditional adoration".

fly_agaric

biko wrote: »

some of us that don't want our children to be drafted into an army to fight battles for Germany.

I think I smell stale lisbon treaty "no" vote poster fodder that's been left out in the sun far too long (google tells me it is almost 12 years ago now)!

tuxy

fly_agaric wrote: »

I think I smell stale lisbon treaty "no" vote poster fodder that's been left out in the sun far too long (google tells me it is almost 12 years ago now)!

The writing on my libertas cup has faded it is now just a blue cup.
Nice EU blue cup!

fly_agaric

^^Libertas, that's a blast from the past alright. Another Irish right wing political movement/party that just sank without a trace. There have been so many over the years. Must get very disheartening for true patriots.

tuxy

Eric Cartman

so is there any sort of celebration or ceremony planned for 11 tomorrow, something i could watch from the safety of a dublin pub perhaps.

fly_agaric

fly_agaric wrote: »

^^Libertas, that's a blast from the past alright. Another Irish right wing political movement/party that just sank without a trace. There have been so many over the years. Must get very disheartening for true patriots.

Ah they never really go away, they just morph into something else and try and make a few quid off asses who use gript etc

fly_agaric

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so is there any sort of celebration or ceremony planned for 11 tomorrow, something i could watch from the safety of a dublin pub perhaps.

crypto, the kid + friends have worked hard to assemble a crack team of ex-pat urban climbers. They are en route with their gear and some high power boom boxes to London to scale big ben + let freedom ring at 11 pm tomorrow.

Jokes aside, Boris Johnson will address the British public and they are lighting up some buildings in London in red, white and blue I think but don't know how much of that will make it onto the TV here (other than the news).

Eric Cartman

fly_agaric wrote: »

crypto, the kid + friends have worked hard to assemble a crack team of ex-pat urban climbers. They are en route with their gear and some high power boom boxes to London to scale big ben + let freedom ring at 11 pm tomorrow.

Jokes aside, Boris Johnson will address the British public and they are lighting up some buildings in London in red, white and blue I think but don't know how much of that will make it onto the TV here (other than the news).

itll probably be on in wetherspoons on sky news, a fitting venue for it.

RobMc59

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Can you quote posts to substantiate this please?

I know you don`t swallow everything the EU says(as shown with your earlier reaction to comments made by Guy Verhofstadt).
I don`t think I should have to quote any posts,it`s just my opinion,the same as I`m also troubled by gung-ho brexiteers posting rubbish or people defending sinn fein councillors who judge people`s sexuality.
I stand by my opinion remaining in the EU is best for the UK and although I can`t change the vote I can relocate to Ireland which I intend doing with my family next year as I don`t want any part of johnson`s UK.

fly_agaric

Eric Cartman wrote: »

itll probably be on in wetherspoons on sky news, a fitting venue for it.

Knock yourself out I suppose.
Maybe they'll put up a few Union jacks and bunting for their patrons given the evening that's in it!:pac:

Unfortunately, doesn't look like they are running below "Brexit Celebrations" price promotion in Ireland:

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/news/2020/01/lets-stay-friends

edit:

Am laughing and joking, but it is a sad day really.

For any Brexiter words of friendship, it marks the official start of a whole new chapter of acrimony & mistrust between the UK and Germany/France etc, and unless there's a miracle, the UK and ourselves. The next year or so could end up being some shít show.

ancapailldorcha

RobMc59 wrote: »

I know you don`t swallow everything the EU says(as shown with your earlier reaction to comments made by Guy Verhofstadt).
I don`t think I should have to quote any posts,it`s just my opinion,the same as I`m also troubled by gung-ho brexiteers posting rubbish or people defending sinn fein councillors who judge people`s sexuality.
I stand by my opinion remaining in the EU is best for the UK and although I can`t change the vote I can relocate to Ireland which I intend doing with my family next year as I don`t want any part of johnson`s UK.

For the second time, you don't have to quote anything but erecting a strawman like that is just a bit silly.

Tony EH

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what the problem is with an EU Army if an army is needed?

The problem is that the union was founded on bringing a lasting peace to Europe after decades of warring factions continually pulled the continent apart, ending in the most devastating war the world has ever seen. Part of Maastricht was an effort to see away with armies and military might being used to settle scores.

Verhofstadt's nonsense sounds dangerous not only to Eurosceptics, but also people who are pro-EU, as that is absolutely not what was envisaged in the early 90's.

But, Verhofstadt isn't the EU, despite him being continually used by those who want to denigrate it. His words don't represent the union any more than Nigel Farage's did.

He's just a "guy" who works there.

First Up

Tony EH wrote:

He's just a "guy" who works there.

Well he's a bit more than that but he has always been outspoken and he enjoys playing that role.

He's a handy bogeyman for the Brexiteers to quote but he is seen as a bit of a maverick and he certainly doesn't run the show. The people "who work there" are too busy dealing with today's real issues to be plotting how to build European armies or forcing countries into a federation.