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Returning emigrants who big themselves up in an unsuccessful bid to impress
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The day I'll be "jealous" of living in that dump, surrounded by its armies of mass murdering sociopaths that can't pinpoint their own country on a map and where it costs 20 grand to get an eye exam... Yeah, that'll be the day all right
You got me there, state of you
You don't know sh*t and it's obvious you've never been or have any experience of the place. Lived, studied and worked there for years and still consult there. I'm fortunate to say I have many wonderful friends there. Some of the most beautiful and enjoyable places to enjoy an outdoor lifestyle. Cultured cities full of learning opportunities and interesting things to do. Frequent protests from hundreds or thousands of passionate and informed people that I sometimes joined in support. My local library here is a box size room out the side of a 200 year old building - amazing. Doesn't even compare to any and every library I've seen there. They're not surrounded by armies of anything, it cost me $60 for an eye exam, and anyone there I know is well educated, kind, and a top class person. No one I met there, ever slagged off people from another country as a rule as that would be considered rude and extremely bad form. They're actually a very diverse and accepting people from my experience. Maybe you need to keep better company. That comment of yours only exposed your ignorance. Try actually getting out of your insular little thought bubble and put down the Daily Sun for your source of information. No country is perfect including the US, and certainly neither is this one. I wouldn't have to point that out to anyone who was a decent sort. F*ecking sick of the put downs of others here which I've found more common in this country than anywhere else.0 -
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No country is perfect, sure but no other developed nation has such extreme problems as the United States.
While your man may need to keep better company, if you don't see some truth to what he said, you probably need to look beyond your own circle over there.
I already said the US isn't perfect, and part of my work involves the injustice around that. I'm well aware and operating beyond my circle there. I'm completely informed of what most of the issues are. No other developed nation has such extreme problems?
What the place isn't though is the description he used "dump, surrounded by its armies of mass murdering sociopaths that can't pinpoint their own country on a map and where it costs 20 grand to get an eye exam" There is NO truth to any of that.0 -
Stateofyou wrote: »I already said the US isn't perfect, and part of my work involves the injustice around that. I'm well aware and operating beyond my circle there. I'm completely informed of what most of the issues are. No other developed nation has such extreme problems?
What the place isn't though is the description he used "dump, surrounded by its armies of mass murdering sociopaths that can't pinpoint their own country on a map and where it costs 20 grand to get an eye exam" There is NO truth to any of that.
Actually there is a grain of truth in what he said. Most cannot pinpoint anything on a map. They sure as hell have no idea where Ireland is located (for the most part). Living in the States has made me realise how uneducated the vast majority of Americans are. Of course, you have the educated and cultured living in cities, those that are educated do very nicely in life there. Those that are uneducated are kept that way, the dumbing down of the populace is very evident.
As you said though, America is a diverse and huge place.
No place is perfect and no country is paradise.
Ireland has it’s own very real issues, many of those criticising Irish people living abroad are generalising also. What I do find interesting is that Trump has given most people in Ireland something to criticise, giving the government in Ireland a free hand instead of being under scrutiny.
ANYHOO.. back to normal programming...;)0 -
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Stateofyou wrote: »I already said the US isn't perfect, and part of my work involves the injustice around that. I'm well aware and operating beyond my circle there. I'm completely informed of what most of the issues are. No other developed nation has such extreme problems?
What the place isn't though is the description he used "dump, surrounded by its armies of mass murdering sociopaths that can't pinpoint their own country on a map and where it costs 20 grand to get an eye exam" There is NO truth to any of that.
Just to mention one thing, Mr Awareness,...
Gun violence. Every country has that same scale of problem, of course.
And you obviously know sweet fa about the health system there. While 20k for an eye exam was hyperbole, it is still outrageously unjust. And seeing as you have your finger on the pulse, you may have heard of the 28k throat swab scam in new york recently. That little story explains so much in itself.0 -
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Stateofyou wrote: »If you've lived in different parts of the US, then now I know you're deliberately being obtuse to the broad experience of the people you've undoubtedly had. You're just choosing to look down and mischaracterize and entire country of people in a sad attempt to make yourself feel bigger. Your insecurity couldn't be any more palpable.
And I could give a million examples of boneheaded, thick comments made from Irish people, that's not a point and I would certainly never treat an entire country of people as one way because of it. I have friends on social media from every walk of life, but it's consistently the Irish friends that post with horrible grammar and spelling, and inflammatory memes which put others down. At the same time, I have some of the loveliest friends in the world who are Irish and do not post or write in the manner I described. I simply don't let my biases control my thinking and then treat people badly because of them. You should try it sometime.
All the negative things you described there are elements yes, but they also exist all over the world and including here in Ireland too. Again, you're only choosing to focus on the worst of that society and elevating it to the point of catastrophic thinking just so you can try to feel superior. Pathetic really.
"insecurity"
If I trod on an insect, it doesn't impart any kind feeling. If I criticise a place and people that I know very well, it equally doesn't impart any emotion.
Gravity exists, it has no bearing on my sense of self. Stating that on the whole Americans, relative to many of the other parts of the world I've lived in, are up there at the top in terms of ignorance ALSO has no bearing on myself. It's factual experience to me, nothing more.
Yes, there are knuckle heads and imbeciles everywhere, I've heard many stupid things all over. But I've still experienced MORE of it in America than elsewhere. Relativity: do you understand?
And you lauding their education system as something special, that's something all right
Anyway, your uniquely lovely experience of the United States is noted. Congratulations.0 -
"insecurity"
If I trod on an insect, it doesn't impart any kind feeling. If I criticise a place and people that I know very well, it equally doesn't impart any emotion.
Gravity exists, it has no bearing on my sense of self. Stating that on the whole Americans, relative to many of the other parts of the world I've lived in, are up there at the top in terms of ignorance ALSO has no bearing on myself. It's factual experience to me, nothing more.
Yes, there are knuckle heads and imbeciles everywhere, I've heard many stupid things all over. But I've still experienced MORE of it in America than elsewhere. Relativity: do you understand?
And you lauding their education system as something special, that's something all right
Anyway, your uniquely lovely experience of the United States is noted. Congratulations.
You're full of it and talking nonsense now. There is nothing factual or inherently just or right about saying that because you encountered some thick comments from a few (and nothing else, yeah right) that you're going to continue to treat a whole culture of people in a condescending manner. My child was IN their education system, I was in it, and many of my friends, and ALL of my American friends so yeah I know something about it. I also am aware of underfunded schools that exist, schools with low attendance and test scores, etc due to societal, familial and funding factors. Your uniquely, entirely all bad (cough, yeah right you've lived there) is equally noted down as someone desperately trying to feel superior due to their own inferiority complex. Well done!0 -
Stateofyou wrote: »You're full of it and talking nonsense now. There is nothing factual or inherently just or right about saying that because you encountered some thick comments from a few (and nothing else, yeah right) that you're going to continue to treat a whole culture of people in a condescending manner. My child was IN their education system, I was in it, and many of my friends, and ALL of my American friends so yeah I know something about it. I also am aware of underfunded schools that exist, schools with low attendance and test scores, etc due to societal, familial and funding factors. Your uniquely, entirely all bad (cough, yeah right you've lived there) is equally noted down as someone desperately trying to feel superior due to their own inferiority complex. Well done!
Have you noticed, as an admitted product of American "education", that you persistently keep trying to put me down personally, persistently hardwave the gigantic problems over there, and persistently attempt to put me in the "superior" category, persistently attempt to portray me as a liar?
Have you noticed that? Or perhaps ignorance goes hand in hand with americanisation. Full circle, is what that's called
Be careful with your children when going to mass or a cinema or taking a walk, now, just in case you all get gunned down for no reason. But sure, isn't it the same everywhere!
Lovely place, lovely people. And whats best? That it can infect people by simple proximity, powerful stuff.0 -
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Have you noticed, as an admitted product of American "education", that you persistently keep trying to put me down personally, persistently hardwave the gigantic problems over there, and persistently attempt to put me in the "superior" category, persistently attempt to portray me as a liar?
Have you noticed that? Or perhaps ignorance goes hand in hand with americanisation. Full circle, is what that's called
Be careful with your children when going to mass or a cinema or taking a walk, now, just in case you all get gunned down for no reason. But sure, isn't it the same everywhere!
Lovely place, lovely people. And whats best? That it can infect people by simple proximity, powerful stuff.
You put yourself down and show yourself up by saying you will treat ALL people in a less than manner because of your personal biases-have you noticed that? Only ignorance showing here is yours, and blatant prejudice. You can’t deny your own words there.
I’m not a “product” of their school system but I have attended further education.
Don’t go to mass, no worries there and doubtful any of us are getting gunned down anywhere down the town. Wtf are you on about.
There is no chance you lived there because if you had you would appreciate the wonderful friends and acquaintances you made. Or perhaps you made none with that huge superiority chip on your shoulder. A waste at least to have (claimed) to lived somewhere but you know nothing about how the health care system works or seem to know of anyone who gave any good impression or integrated at any meaningful level, sharing lives with regular people. Yet Irish people are the first to talk sh*te about immigrants who allegedly won’t integrate.0 -
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Stateofyou wrote: »You put yourself down and show yourself up by saying you will treat ALL people in a less than manner because of your personal biases-have you noticed that? Only ignorance showing here is yours, and blatant prejudice. You can’t deny your own words there.
I’m not a “product” of their school system but I have attended further education.
Don’t go to mass, no worries there and doubtful any of us are getting gunned down anywhere down the town. Wtf are you on about.
There is no chance you lived there because if you had you would appreciate the wonderful friends and acquaintances you made. Or perhaps you made none with that huge superiority chip on your shoulder. A waste at least to have (claimed) to lived somewhere but you know nothing about how the health care system works or seem to know of anyone who gave any good impression or integrated at any meaningful level, sharing lives with regular people. Yet Irish people are the first to talk sh*te about immigrants who allegedly won’t integrate.
There you go with that disbelief again. Just imagine (try real hard), that I actually DID live there for years. Now, if you've managed that feat, just imagine how ridiculous you are to me.
Imagine me believing you are not a human being, how critically thick would you believe me to be?
Funny stuff, man. And now I know "nothing" of their backwards arse health system either, apparently. But of course, you have dreamt up that irrefutable fact based on all the information you have
Yes, I have met and know decent Americans. But exceptions do not make rules.
You alluded to helping some kind of injustices in the United States, well, God speed to the ones relying on your faculties, such as they are.
"mass shootings in the United States?! What do you mean!? ". Man, just go away and wallow amongst your equals.0 -
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There you go with that disbelief again. Just imagine (try real hard), that I actually DID live there for years. Now, if you've managed that feat, just imagine how ridiculous you are to me.
Imagine me believing you are not a human being, how critically thick would you believe me to be?
Funny stuff, man. And now I know "nothing" of their backwards arse health system either, apparently. But of course, you have dreamt up that irrefutable fact based on all the information you have
Yes, I have met and know decent Americans. But exceptions do not make rules.
You alluded to helping some kind of injustices in the United States, well, God speed to the ones relying on your faculties, such as they are.
"mass shootings in the United States?! What do you mean!? ". Man, just go away and wallow amongst your equals.
Man, you literally described America as a “dump,” “the day you’d be jealous of living there” So why were you there then and why did you stay living there, amongst all the “exceptions?” The rest of your post is you just being deliberately obtuse.0 -
Stateofyou wrote: »Man, you literally described America as a “dump,” “the day you’d be jealous of living there” So why were you there then and why did you stay living there, amongst all the “exceptions?” The rest of your post is you just being deliberately obtuse.
Why I was initially there, well, I suppose naivety and a sense of adventure. Then down through the years it became necessary for work and such. Steadily the sheen wears off and f I got to see the reality of the place.
Have nothing to do with it anymore, won't even land in it for a stopover.
Anecdotally, I find that a lot of younger people here no longer find the United States attractive, whereas it wasn't too long ago it would have been number one choices all round.
The propaganda machine of Hollywood has run its course, I suppose.
Anyway, good luck with things and this is all just bumfluff, life goes on
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Why I was initially there, well, I suppose naivety and a sense of adventure. Then down through the years it became necessary for work and such. Steadily the sheen wears off and f I got to see the reality of the place.
Have nothing to do with it anymore, won't even land in it for a stopover.
Anecdotally, I find that a lot of younger people here no longer find the United States attractive, whereas it wasn't too long ago it would have been number one choices all round.
The propaganda machine of Hollywood has run its course, I suppose.
Anyway, good luck with things and this is all just bumfluff, life goes on
Where did you live, if you don’t mind me asking? No worries if you don’t want to say. Well I’ll say that for myself my family and I were treated very well, and for a place rife with its own problems it was also a place that gave us many wonderful memories, opportunities and friends. Still know plenty who stayed and still travel there... but there ya go.0 -
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