London Bridge Incident - mod warning in OP

robertpatterson

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/29/london-bridge-reports-gunshots-central-london/
Its being reported now that he was a convicted islamist who had been in prison for terrorism related offences.
It doesn't say if he was a uk born citizen or was someone who arrived and gained citizenship.

randomspud

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7740295/Knife-attacker-shot-dead-London-Bridge-known-police-security-sources-reveal.html

A summation of what's wrong with western society.


An 8 year sentence that ends a year early and tagging that doesn't do anything.


The sentence for terrorism should be death. These people are completely opposed to our way of life and are just biding their time until they can kill us.


You are trying to reason with people who think their god will give them a clatter of virgins for blowing themselves up.

Scarinae

He has been identified as Usman Khan from Staffordshire

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1200576842077487105?s=20

Rodin

Scarinae wrote: »

He has been identified as Usman Khan from Staffordshire

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1200576842077487105?s=20

He's been identified as being a xxxx

questionmark?

sid waddell wrote: »

The Tories have done it again.

They have failed to keep Britain safe from Islamist terror, just like in 2017.

Priti Patel reduced the terror threat on November 4th and now a tagged terrorist known to authorities, who they let out, knifes innocent people to death on the streets of London.

Boris Johnson should hang his head in shame.

He has the blood of innocent people on his hands.

One of those posts you hope is an attempt at trolling rather than serious. Jesus wept!!!!!!!

Lady Spangles

BDI wrote: »

Some Aid workers offer conversions for food. They let people starve unless they embrace Christianity. That’s why they get attacked a lot of the time aparantly.


But that’s not how they report it.

And many aid workers have nothing whatsoever to do with any religious organisation (Red Cross, Medicines Sans Frontieres etc etc). They're not Missionaries. In fact, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or how it relates to what's being discussed.

TBH, even if they are religious and want to convert others, that doesn't really justify cutting off their heads and posting the resulting snuff movies on YouTube.

Omackeral

Now that he's been identified as an Islamic terrorist, to the shock of probably nobody, let the usual accusations of racism flow.

old_aussie

Deleted User wrote: »

Police declare it a "major incident".

Isn't this getting out of proportion!?

Yes, it's a horrific attack on a handful of injured pedestrians, but does it really deserve to be dissected.

Many of these incidents are so small and self-contained, they don't warrant the extreme media attention they gather.

Well said before you knew any facts.

old_aussie

Once a person is convicted of terrorism ……. NEVER to be released.

old_aussie

old_aussie wrote: »

Once a person is convicted of terrorism ……. NEVER to be released.

Guilford four and the Birmingham six may take issue with that

Manic Moran

end of the road wrote: »

apparently they can't as white phosphorous is banned under international law. so therefore you have to care if it is used as if the west does not abide by international law, then we have less of a complaint when others play those elements of the west breaking such law, at their own game, which in turn may effect us.

Common misconception.

As long as they're not carpet bombing a concentration of civilians to do it, or if they are using, say, artillery, with suitable safeguards, killing ISIS with white phosphorous is quite legal.

Text of the protocol is here. http://disarmament.un.org/treaties/t/ccwc_p3/text

Not sure the relevance of the digression, though.

20Wheel

Scarinae wrote: »

Apparently one of the people who tackled the terrorist grabbed a narwhal tusk as a weapon - that's something I was not expecting to hear

https://twitter.com/theamycoop/status/1200513388889223169?s=20

I actually know that guy.
His name is Donald...


... Donald Tusk.

Sorry.

AlekSmart

randomspud wrote: »

A summation of what's wrong with western society.


An 8 year sentence that ends a year early and tagging that doesn't do anything.


The sentence for terrorism should be death. These people are completely opposed to our way of life and are just biding their time until they can kill us.


You are trying to reason with people who think their god will give them a clatter of virgins for blowing themselves up.

It kinda gets worse.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/29/london-bridge-reports-gunshots-central-london/

Judge warned about Khan's release

When Khan was sentenced in 2012, Mr Justice Wilkie said he was a "serious jihadist" who should not be released while he remained a threat to the public.

The judge said Khan's group were involved in a "serious, long-term venture in terrorism" that could have resulted in atrocities in Britain. Wilkie said: "In my judgment, these offenders would remain, even after a lengthy term of imprisonment, of such a significant risk that the public could not be adequately protected by their being managed on licence in the community, subject to conditions, by reference to a preordained release date."

Oul Judges get much well-deserved stick,but Judge Wilkie was on the money here.

It also provides the first question to be explored with our own newly returned Colleen Bán today......"Howya Lisa...did you ever have any dealings with Usman ?"

suicide_circus

but what do you do with them? he was sentenced for his crime and served most of it. Internment?

Bring back treason.

Make it clear that anyone who is a member of, or supporter of, these proscribed terrorist organisations, are killed due to that fact alone.

Why are we so timid in the face of what is a serious threat?

Richard Hillman

He didn't even face a parole board. He was just let out with a tag on, whatever the tag was supposed to do???

Nobody to even ask him "hey mate, you're not still a jihadi are you?".

pjohnson

Terrorist conviction = life


Maybe less if you can send him to Pakistan (his parents are there apparently and dunno his birthplace)

Either life or 8 years and back to Pakistan.

Involved in terrorism should mean jailed for life. No parole.

And no return. I'd suggest the countries they went to to fight should just shoot or hang them.

malinheader

O'Connell bridge next. Sure have we not one of our own soon to be let loose in this country again.

Das Reich

pjohnson wrote: »

Terrorist conviction = life


Maybe less if you can send him to Pakistan (his parents are there apparently and dunno his birthplace)

Either life or 8 years and back to Pakistan.

What that's change? Once there the person can re emigrate to Europe. Italian retarded justice already does a lot of this mistakes. Send criminals home and then they return back to another country. Being from Brazil I guarantee that terrorism from the religion of peace will NEVER happen there for the simply fact that the day after they would have a return, not from justice system but from local criminality, police out of duty (death squadrons) and population.

walshb

It’s being reported that the terrorist had a 2012 terror conviction, and served a 6 year stretch. Out, and goes on to murder two people. Utterly sickening. He did not kill these people. The system did...disgusting...

Why in God’s name are these, clearly evil people, allowed roam free in society?

joe40

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Involved in terrorism should mean jailed for life. No parole.

And no return. I'd suggest the countries they went to to fight should just shoot or hang them.

Would you support the same approach for people convicted of Irish terrorism.
The pub bombings in the 70s were as indiscriminate and much more deadly than these attacks.

walshb

joe40 wrote: »

Would you support the same approach for people convicted of Irish terrorism.
The pub bombings in the 70s were as indiscriminate and much more deadly than these attacks.

I would. Terrorism has zero place in our society. Life without parole for anyone convicted of a terrorism offence!

walshb

walshb wrote: »

It’s being reported that the terrorist had a 2012 terror conviction, and served a 6 year stretch. Out, and goes on to murder two people. Utterly sickening. He did not kill these people. The system did...disgusting...

Why in God’s name are these, clearly evil people, allowed roam free in society?

Fishmongers Hall where the attack started was holding a talk about criminals and rehabilitation and he was a speaker at it!

I’d like to know on what grounds his original conviction was appealed and overturned. The judge in the original case analysed his mindset to a tee.

DrumSteve

walshb wrote: »

I would. Terrorism has zero place in our society. Life without parole for anyone convicted of a terrorism offence!

The problem is what happens when it's convenient for whoever is in government to label someone a terrorist?

RocketRaccoon

suicide_circus wrote: »

but what do you do with them? he was sentenced for his crime and served most of it. Internment?

Death. No questions asked.

walshb

walshb wrote: »

I would. Terrorism has zero place in our society. Life without parole for anyone convicted of a terrorism offence!

Have you seen "In the Name of the Father"?

DrumSteve

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Death. No questions asked.

Surely you would want to ask some questions?

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen "In the Name of the Father"?

What has this got to do with it?

That is called a miscarriage of justice. And happens in all types of crimes...

If found guilty of being involved in terrorism, like being guilty of murder, life in prison...

Unless you want to apply miscarriages of justice to all crimes, and simply not jail anyone on conviction, because of the possibility of convicting the wrong person(s)?

walshb

DrumSteve wrote: »

The problem is what happens when it's convenient for whoever is in government to label someone a terrorist?

Labeling and convicting are separate. I am saying that if convicted in a court of law if a terrorism offence, life!