Noel Grealish

Kivaro

pow_pow wrote: »

I doubt that. They're a hit for ratings.

It does give RTE the opportunity to pontificate down on us, and insinuate that the people who voted for these two TD's as racist .................... and all because those two people dared to ask questions about non-EU migration into Ireland.

SchrodingersCat

Noel Grealishes tally behind Eamon O Cuiv was surprising, and Verona Murphys, considering how badly the Anti-immigration candidates did overall in the elections.

Peter Casey finished third-last in both Donegal and Dublin West. Renua did worse than their 2016 results and again failing to get any seats. John Waters got ~900 votes in Dún Laoghaire before he was gone on the first count. Gemma O Doherty did poorly in Fingal too. I think she got less than 2% of the vote.

It doesn't look like Ireland is getting hit by the Anti-Immigration sentiment that has influenced the politics of other European countries.

statesaver

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Noel Grealishes tally behind Eamon O Cuiv was surprising, and Verona Murphys, considering how badly the Anti-immigration candidates did overall in the elections.

Peter Casey finished third-last in both Donegal and Dublin West. Renua did worse than their 2016 results and again failing to get any seats. John Waters got ~900 votes in Dún Laoghaire before he was gone on the first count. Gemma O Doherty did poorly in Fingal too. I think she got less than 2% of the vote.

It doesn't look like Ireland is getting hit by the Anti-Immigration sentiment that has influenced the politics of other European countries.

Ireland is maybe 20 years behind other European countries when it comes to immigration and we seem to be making the same mistakes they made.
Anti immigration sentiment will grow over the coming years. Especially if we as a country are forbidden from discussing the issue. That only encourages support for the likes of Gemma O'Doherty and others.

elperello

Murphy's frontline experience in the trucking business informed her views re. illegal immigrants.
I don't think she is actually a racist.

Kivaro

elperello wrote: »

Murphy's frontline experience in the trucking business informed her views re. illegal immigrants.
I don't think she is actually a racist.

Of course she's not.
But you have to remember that anyone who questions immigration; especially non-EU migration into Ireland are automatically deemed racist by the open border/asylum-NGO contingent.

I have the poster who made the anti-immigration comment on ignore, but noticed it when the post was quoted. It's the same story they continuously repeat i.e. that people are anti-immigration.

There is a small amount of people in this country who would be anti-immigration. The vast majority of us are anti: open borders, asylum scammers/shoppers, migration from outside the EU by people who immediately go on homeless lists, migrants who move to Ireland for the generous welfare entitlements and free housing, and migrants who move to Ireland who do not want to integrate but want us to abide by their customs and religion.

SchrodingersCat

statesaver wrote: »

Ireland is maybe 20 years behind other European countries when it comes to immigration and we seem to be making the same mistakes they made.
Anti immigration sentiment will grow over the coming years. Especially if we as a country are forbidden from discussing the issue. That only encourages support for the likes of Gemma O'Doherty and others.

We can speculate on what will or will not happen in the future but right now, the latest election results did not favor the anti-immigration candidates. Bar the exceptions of Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy, none of them got more than ~2% of their constituencies vote. This includes John Waters, Gemma O Doherty, Peter Casey, Daragh O’Flaherty, All the Renuas, Irish Freedom Party candidates, etc. This fits in with the MRBI election poll that found that only 1% of voters believed that immigration was their most important issue. Even with Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy getting a seat, thats just two anti-immigration candidates taking seats out of a total of 160. Two seats is very little.

You say the likes of Gemma O Doherty will encourage support. She got 4.1% in the 2019 Dublin Fingal by-election and was knocked out in the third count. This fell to only 1.97% in the latest election. If anything her voters are turning away.

Its the same with Peter Casey. He got 23% of the Presidential vote in 2018, but this fell to only 1,142 first preference votes in Donegal and 213 votes in Dublin West in the latest elections.

This was an election where voters were turning away in their droves from the two main parties FF and FG. The likes of these candidates could have cleaned up. But they didn't. Instead they turned to the socialist candidates like Sinn Fein.

Yes, they could potentially increase their support in future. But right now its going downhill. The voters dont care.

Boggles

enricoh wrote: »

We'll see how grealish gets on in the election after calling out the asylum spoofers compared to sinn feins kenny in Leitrim who called the protestors in Ballinamore bullies. N said that direct provision should be scrapped and asylum seekers given welfare and placed on the housing list.
I'd say kenny will have longer odds than grealish with paddy powers!

Kenny topped the poll, 15,000+ first preferences.

Almost 3 times more than he got in 2016 and almost double what the bould Noel got.

Bullocks

He is on SOR now. He will be happy to take a ministry if it helps form a government

Boggles

Bullocks wrote: »

He is on SOR now. He will be happy to take a ministry if it helps form a government

I imagine the bould Noel will continuing doing what he has always done.

The absolute bare minimum so he call collect his salary and his 100s of 1000s in unvouched expenses.

Diceicle

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

We can speculate on what will or will not happen in the future but right now, the latest election results did not favor the anti-immigration candidates. Bar the exceptions of Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy, none of them got more than ~2% of their constituencies vote. This includes John Waters, Gemma O Doherty, Peter Casey, Daragh O’Flaherty, All the Renuas, Irish Freedom Party candidates, etc. This fits in with the MRBI election poll that found that only 1% of voters believed that immigration was their most important issue. Even with Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy getting a seat, thats just two anti-immigration candidates taking seats out of a total of 160. Two seats is very little.

You say the likes of Gemma O Doherty will encourage support. She got 4.1% in the 2019 Dublin Fingal by-election and was knocked out in the third count. This fell to only 1.97% in the latest election. If anything her voters are turning away.

Its the same with Peter Casey. He got 23% of the Presidential vote in 2018, but this fell to only 1,142 first preference votes in Donegal and 213 votes in Dublin West in the latest elections.

This was an election where voters were turning away in their droves from the two main parties FF and FG. The likes of these candidates could have cleaned up. But they didn't. Instead they turned to the socialist candidates like Sinn Fein.

Yes, they could potentially increase their support in future. But right now its going downhill. The voters dont care.

Two points I'd make to run along with this.
Firstly, it seems to me the anti-establishment candidates and parties (if I can couch them all under that term for now) need to come together into a cohesive unit. Having alot of disparate voices of National Party, Irexit, Renua etc suits the status-quo. Their efforts should centralize around Renua or Aontu - similar to what Momentum did around Labour in the UK.

As an individual, I'm vested in the idea / goal of a sensible immigration policy. One that brings us appropriate numbers of high and low skilled workers relative to our economic needs. But if you were to ask me where in the top 10 'immigration' ranks - right now, probably 5th or 6th. I voted on issues like Crime and Cost of Living / Quality of life issues - or a desire to see those things improve for people.

Taking Renuas poor performance , and from what I've read I'd support much of their platform, - taking their performance and contrasting it with V Murphys and Grealish'. Murphy and Grealish had something Renua (and the other parties I've mentioned) didn't - that is profile. I can count on one hand the amout of times leading up to and during the campaign anyone in the media mentioned 'renua'. That certainly played a factor into the results that they got.

Riskymove

Bullocks wrote: »

He is on SOR now. He will be happy to take a ministry if it helps form a government

Minister for Immigration Services Delivery

Boggles

Diceicle wrote: »

Taking Renuas poor performance , and from what I've read I'd support much of their platform, - taking their performance and contrasting it with V Murphys and Grealish'. Murphy and Grealish had something Renua (and the other parties I've mentioned) didn't - that is profile. I can count on one hand the amout of times leading up to and during the campaign anyone in the media mentioned 'renua'. That certainly played a factor into the results that they got.

Meh. The biggest factor in Renua not getting elected is their policies are stuck in the 1980's where they belong, bible thumping social conservatism is gone and thank fúck for that.

Pronto63

Boggles wrote: »

Meh. The biggest factor in Renua not getting elected is their policies are stuck in the 1980's where they belong, bible thumping social conservatism is gone and thank fúck for that.

The problem with any “anti immigration” candidates is that most seem to be totally bonkers!

Most seem to be extreme pro-life. While I voted against the amendment that particular horse has well and truly left the stable. In fact the stable has been converted into a home cinema room at this stage. Time to move on!

Boggles

Pronto63 wrote: »

The problem with any “anti immigration” candidates is that most seem to be totally bonkers!

Most seem to be extreme pro-life. While I voted against the amendment that particular horse has well and truly left the stable. In fact the stable has been converted into a home cinema room at this stage. Time to move on!

And extremely for the death penalty.

They are absolute loons.

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

Meh. The biggest factor in Renua not getting elected is their policies are stuck in the 1980's where they belong, bible thumping social conservatism is gone and thank fúck for that.

I have to agree with this, Their economics are spot on but if theres one way to stop me voting for tax cuts its to lump it in with religious dogma , renua did just that

ELM327

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have to agree with this, Their economics are spot on but if theres one way to stop me voting for tax cuts its to lump it in with religious dogma , renua did just that

Same
I even joined Renua back in the day before I knew just how hard line their religious BS was going to be!

Loafing Oaf

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Bar the exceptions of Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy, none of them got more than ~2% of their constituencies vote.

And there's no guarantee that either of them was elected primarily on the basis of their position on immigration, well not for Grealish anyway...

selectamatic

Pronto63 wrote: »

The problem with any “anti immigration” candidates is that most seem to be totally bonkers!

Most seem to be extreme pro-life. While I voted against the amendment that particular horse has well and truly left the stable. In fact the stable has been converted into a home cinema room at this stage. Time to move on!

This hits the nail on the head.

It's very unfair on Noel Grealish and Verona Murphy to lump them in with headers like John Waters and Gemma O'Doherty.

It's possible to criticise some immigration policies without feeling the need to be pro something absolutely mental such as Irexit.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have to agree with this, Their economics are spot on but if theres one way to stop me voting for tax cuts its to lump it in with religious dogma , renua did just that

Tax cuts?

The had no economic policy paper, just some bullet points of populous notions.

None of it costed.

They also had there finger on the pulse of problems Irish people fret about.

RENUA will ensure that the only flag to be flown on all public buildings will be the Irish Tricolour. If the EU flag is to be flown, it must be at a lower level than the national flag

RENUA will bring back the ‘Green’ passport. In recent decades Ireland abandoned the green passport in favour of the common ‘burgundy’ passport of the EU

Time for them to fúck off into the ether no one wants there brand of loony in 2020.

rgossip30

Boggles wrote: »

Tax cuts?

The had no economic policy paper, just some bullet points of populous notions.

None of it costed.

They also had there finger on the pulse of problems Irish people fret about.





Time for them to fúck off into the ether no one wants there brand of loony in 2020.

I recall the Indo debunking Sinn Feins policies on many issues from the TV debate .

Boggles

rgossip30 wrote: »

I recall the Indo debunking Sinn Feins policies on many issues from the TV debate .

There is a shock.

SF cost their alternative budget submissions, at least it's based on actual maths and not inspirational bullet points.

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

There is a shock.

SF cost their alternative budget submissions, at least it's based on actual maths and not inspirational bullet points.

I think its fascinating that you defend SF budgets yet think wanting green passports is the height of idiocy.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think its fascinating that you defend SF budgets

Stating the fact they cost their alternative budgets is not defending their budgets.

You are aware of that right?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yet think wanting green passports is the height of idiocy.

Time wasting nonsense that no one cares about.

If you want to imply they are idiots, go ahead.

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

Stating the fact they cost their alternative budgets is not defending their budgets.

You are aware of that right?



Time wasting nonsense that no one cares about.

If you want to imply they are idiots, go ahead.

Renua are idiots, But so are SF. For similar reasons, clinging to weird violent authoritative nonsense from the past.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Renua are idiots, But so are SF. For similar reasons, clinging to weird violent authoritative nonsense from the past.

Kinda like the British Empire.

Ash.J.Williams

Boggles wrote: »

Kinda like the British Empire.

the british empire is doing fine without us, we should now forget about them and worry about our own ****e

rgossip30

Boggles wrote: »

There is a shock.

SF cost their alternative budget submissions, at least it's based on actual maths and not inspirational bullet points.

I suggest you take that up with the Indo . You can show proof the costing is correct or are you just being fanciful .
There was a better article on this
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-independent/20200129/281689731788218

Great if they can abolish the property tax and reduce the pension age to 65 I am not complaining .

Boggles

rgossip30 wrote: »

I suggest you take that up with the Indo .

The Indo?

Well if they so, they are completely impartial when it comes to Sinn Fein like I have all ready pointed out.

Anything about the siteserve inquiry?

Or when CAB are going to doing anything about that dusty report?

rgossip30

Boggles wrote: »

The Indo?

Well if they so, they are completely impartial when it comes to Sinn Fein like I have all ready pointed out.

Anything about the siteserve inquiry?

Or when CAB are going to doing anything about that dusty report?

You dont show any alternative link only Sinn Fein are correct in your opinion.

Boggles

rgossip30 wrote: »

You dont show any alternative link only Sinn Fein are correct in your opinion.

What you mean alternative link?

They publish their budgets and they are costed.

I never said I agreed with them.