Noel Grealish

weldoninhio

Today in the Dail, Noel Grealish spoke about the amount of money leaving the country (10bn in the past eighth years alone). He wanted to know if there were proper mechanisms in place to make sure that all of this money was being sent legally. "He asked if Revenue or the Department of Finance had anyway of tracking where this money was coming from." "He said that he could understand transfers to other EU countries, but €3.4bn transferred to one non-EU country was astronomical."

For this he was branded a racist. Is it now racist to look to check on payments out of Ireland to ensure it is legal?? €10bn is a huge amount.

Of course, Leo blabbered on about the Irish sending cheques home from USA.


https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/1112/1090381-noel-grealish-dail/

It is an absolute joke that this isn't being looked into, most will probably be above board, but I'd imagine there is a huge amount leaving that are funds gained by illegal means or being sent for illegal means.

biko

Solidarity-PBP TD Ruth Coppinger said the question was an example of disgraceful racism.

Of course it would be one of these nutters..

Jamie2k9

Immigrants don't commit crime!

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Of course it would be one of these nutters..

That’s a stretch alright. Least with the context we have here.

weldoninhio

biko wrote: »

Of course it would be one of these nutters..

The Taoiseach said for many decades Irish people went all over the world and sent their remittances back to Ireland.

"I remember my grandmother, all of her family went to America, telling me about the cheques coming from the States," Mr Varadkar said.

Leo was quick to jump in with stories of Granny Varadkardashian!!

Dyr

what's 3.4 billion over 8 years to a single country based on the amount of nationals from that country in Ireland, the figure seems way out of whack.

biko

Not to mention Hawala
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wealth-across-the-wires-1.1192690

"Migrants often do not use banking systems to remit money. It's quite simple, they do not have bank accounts back home, their families do not have bank accounts, there are no banks or post offices in their villages or towns or they do not trust them,"

vriesmays

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerians-send-nearly-500m-a-year-home-from-ireland-29278045.html

statesaver

weldoninhio wrote: »

The Taoiseach said for many decades Irish people went all over the world and sent their remittances back to Ireland.

"I remember my grandmother, all of her family went to America, telling me about the cheques coming from the States," Mr Varadkar said.

Leo was quick to jump in with stories of Granny Varadkardashian!!

Were they in receipt of Social Welfare payments ?

sabat

This is obviously what he was talking about, which was left out of Leo's list of countries:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerians-send-nearly-500m-a-year-home-from-ireland-29278045.html

weldoninhio

sabat wrote: »

This is obviously what he was talking about, which was left out of Leo's list of countries:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/nigerians-send-nearly-500m-a-year-home-from-ireland-29278045.html

€26k per year per person, including children. Absolute madness!! How much would you have to earn to be able to save €26k, while paying the cost of living here, and have kids??


And our representatives are AGAINST looking into this!!!!

Danzy

I work in import,export my friend.

500 million a year from people we were told were refugees but who holiday in the country they "escaped" from.

I can understand Leo having no problem with this, he is a cutthroat capitalist at its finest but it's really impossible to square how some one co yupd describe themselves as Socialist and back this.

Solidarity with the free market.

didn't a certain Cavan family transfer a few billion in to their Russian bank account a few years back?

Donald Trump

There was some mad figure published one year that the remittances to Nigeria from Ireland amounted to something like an average of 30k for every single Nigerian person in the country.

Whether it is true or not, it was reported in real news outlets at the time

Edit: Actually that story was linked above.

FYI, here is the worldwide remittance estimates for 2017 in a handy map

tdf7187

I guess wikipedia is a racist website now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_scam

topper75

weldoninhio wrote: »

And our representatives are AGAINST looking into this!!!!

She is only one representative, albeit a loud one. Most rational people would like this outrageous anomaly investigated and explained. Why is Grealish on his own in raising the question is what troubles me. This isn't news either. It came to light in the earlier part of the decade.

To equate transfers of such magnitude to the Irish emigrants of yore remitting portions of their wages back from London or NY is poor form from the Taoiseach if he did try to brush it away like that.

I really don't think the colour of peoples' skin is the issue here. Do you guys?

is_that_so

Hmm, can't see what his problem is. It's personal money. If it's been taxed Revenue don't care and that's all that matters!

I Am The Law

Tax? What is tax? Sorry my English..... ( off to Western Union )

weldoninhio

topper75 wrote: »

She is only one representative, albeit a loud one. Most rational people would like this outrageous anomaly investigated and explained. Why is Grealish on his own in raising the question is what troubles me. This isn't news either. It came to light in the earlier part of the decade.

To equate transfers of such magnitude to the Irish emigrants of yore remitting portions of their wages back from London or NY is poor form from the Taoiseach if he did try to brush it away like that.

I really don't think the colour of peoples' skin is the issue here. Do you guys?

Our Taoiseach spoke out against Grealish!! Green is the only colour that matters here. We are being taken for a ride. Doesn’t matter if it’s Irish, Nigerian or Chinese people removing money from our economy illegally while milking benefits here. Anyone caught should have the money taken by the exchequer and face serious prison time.

Faugheen

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, can't see what his problem is. It's personal money. If it's been taxed Revenue don't care and that's all that matters!

This. Irish people abroad send money home as well.

Funnily enough the same ‘concerned citizens’ are up in arms over this.

If they’re working and paying tax then what they do with their money is their business.

Beta Ray Bill

Bambi wrote: »

what's 3.4 billion over 8 years to a single country based on the amount of nationals from that country in Ireland, the figure seems way out of whack.

Ireland has a population of 4.9 million
1.2% of those people are black.
Assuming for a sec that all those people are Nigerian, or of Nigerian descent, that's about 59,000 people.
€3,500,000,000 / 59,000 = €59,322 / 8 = €7,415 per person per year over the last 8 years.

Now assuming that half those people are Nigerian, or of Nigerian descent, that's about 29,500 people.
€3,500,000,000 / 29,500 = €118,644 / 8 = €14,830 per person per year over the last 8 years.

It's a lot of money to send back what ever way you look at it.

Danzy wrote: »

I work in import,export my friend.

500 million a year from people we were told were refugees but who holiday in the country they "escaped" from.

I can understand Leo having no problem with this, he is a cutthroat capitalist at its finest but it's really impossible to square how some one co yupd describe themselves as Socialist and back this.

Solidarity with the free market.

Bit in bold.
We do need to take in genuine refugees, the problem is we're being caught out with economic migrants.
If you escaped a country, what the hell would you be sending money back there for.

The Large volume of money sent to France is also very suspicious to me. (The last EU country that continues to meddle in African affairs).

Patrick2010

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, can't see what his problem is. It's personal money. If it's been taxed Revenue don't care and that's all that matters!

That’s a big if!!

is_that_so

Patrick2010 wrote: »

That’s a big if!!

Why? What do you know about it? We have money laundering rules, CAB and Revenue to deal with such things. Revenue compliance is well up in the 90s.

Patrick2010

Mark Cagney on Newstalk now reminding us that the Irish sent home money from abroad before

is_that_so

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Ireland has a population of 4.9 million
1.2% of those people are black.
Assuming for a sec that all those people are Nigerian, or of Nigerian descent, that's about 59,000 people.

€3,500,000,000 / 59,000 = €59,322 / 8 = €7,415 per person per year over the last 8 years.

It's a lot of money to send back what ever way you look at it.



Bit in bold.
We do need to take in genuine refugees, the problem is we're being caught out with economic migrants.
If you escaped a country, what the hell would you be sending money back there for.

The Large volume of money sent to France is also very suspicious to me. (The last EU country that continues to meddle in African affairs).

French & other EU MNC workers come here for 2-3 years for their CV. It's pretty logical to imagine they'll send as much of that cash home as they can.

Patrick2010

is_that_so wrote: »

Why? What do you know about it? We have money laundering rules, CAB and Revenue to deal with such things. Revenue compliance is well up in the 90s.

Where do you get that figure from?

weldoninhio

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, can't see what his problem is. It's personal money. If it's been taxed Revenue don't care and that's all that matters!

IF!! Wouldn’t that be the point of an investigation.

If it hasn’t been taxed, or is the proceeds of criminal activity do you not believe that there should be checks to ensure this? Are you against the CJA and IML requirements currently enforced in Irish Banks?? Sure it’s personal money.

daheff

His point is valid, if badly made.

1bn EUR of funds going to any one country annually from private citizens should be audited to ensure its legitimate.


Other countries implement currency restrictions to prevent large amounts of money being remitted to external countries. Being part of the EUROZone helps prevent this being damaging to the exchange rate, but it is something that should be questioned.

Beta Ray Bill

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Mark Cagney on Newstalk now reminding us that the Irish sent home money from abroad before

There is no denying this.

However the circumstances of the Irish Abroad many many years ago are not at all comparable to the circumstances of a large proportion of the Economic migrants Ireland has today.

Note:
It's not just migrants "sponging", its our own people too.
We are very over stretched on Social welfare/Health, and as a result of this, cracks are now starting to appear in our infrastructure across the board as it's been neglected for a very long time at this stage.

James Brown

He's probably just trying to pull a Casey and get the dim witted and hateful in tow. Not necessarily racist.

is_that_so

weldoninhio wrote: »

IF!! Wouldn’t that be the point of an investigation.

If it hasn’t been taxed, or is the proceeds of criminal activity do you not believe that there should be checks to ensure this? Are you against the CJA and IML requirements currently enforced in Irish Banks?? Sure it’s personal money.

Not at the behest of the ramblings of a less than stellar TD. Nah, 97% or so compliance tells its own tale. Banks do enforce those rules as it's really not in their interest to flout them.

washman3

statesaver wrote: »

Were they in receipt of Social Welfare payments ?

Were they fcuk...
Most sweated blood to send that many home.
Otherwise they would have starved over there.

My own relatives included.

is_that_so

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Where do you get that figure from?

Revenue.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/press-office/press-releases/2019/pr-090519-revenue-publishes-2018-annual-report.aspx

Beta Ray Bill

is_that_so wrote: »

French & other EU MNC workers come here for 2-3 years for their CV. It's pretty logical to imagine they'll send as much of that cash home as they can.

I agree, but why is so much going to France?

Most of the money went to Poland, Nigeria and France. (allegedly)

Poland is understandable, we have a huge Polish population in Ireland.
Poland is in the EU and they're fully entitled to be here

Nigeria is what it is.

France is an anomaly, there isn't a huge amount of french people in Ireland.
I'd argue there are more Italians, Spanish, British and Germans here than French.
So why is so much money going there?

weldoninhio

is_that_so wrote: »

Not at the behest of the ramblings of a less than stellar TD. Nah, 97% or so compliance tells its own tale. Banks do enforce those rules as it's really not in their interest to flout them.

Banks do, what about all of the online app that can now send money?? Western Union?? Money gram?? Etc

is_that_so

weldoninhio wrote: »

Banks do, what about all of the online app that can now send money?? Western Union?? Money gram?? Etc

They'd be licensed by the CB so rules apply to them as well. You'd be a pretty thick crim if you went over the limit intentionally and raised flags all over the place!

zell12

To point out that a significant amount of people of Nigerian origin are Irish citizens, and the Census reflects them as Irish, therefore the per capita figures are misleading

vriesmays

You think Nigerians are Irish.

is_that_so

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

I agree, but why is so much going to France?

Most of the money went to Poland, Nigeria and France. (allegedly)

Poland is understandable, we have a huge Polish population in Ireland.
Poland is in the EU and they're fully entitled to be here

Nigeria is what it is.

France is an anomaly, there isn't a huge amount of french people in Ireland.
I'd argue there are more Italians, Spanish, British and Germans here than French.
So why is so much money going there?

UK numbers are second to Poles. The French would be the biggest of European cousins - about 12K I think. As I said probably a lot of MNC people in there, earning lots of money.

James Brown

vriesmays wrote: »

You think Nigerians are Irish.

They would be Nigerians. He's talking on Irish people whose family line comes from Nigeria. You know not every Irish family evolved in Ireland from monkeys?

suicide_circus

if you are asking a question, the answer to which could cast any minority in a negative light, then you should not be asking the question.

Harvey Weinstein

suicide_circus wrote: »

if you are asking a question, the answer to which could cast any minority in a negative light, then you should not be asking the question.

Thats whats really (no extremely) worrying about this, the idea that asking a perfectly legitimate question is now 'racist'
The new Hate Speech laws will make asking this question an offence.

Never mind the fact that a number of politicians and journalists have asked this very question just a few short years ago with no outcry whatsoever.

Harvey Weinstein

At least 150k Polish here, several times the number of Nigerians..yet the Poles send home less than half of what the Nigerians do.

Something completely out of whack here.

blueshade

is_that_so wrote: »

Not at the behest of the ramblings of a less than stellar TD. Nah, 97% or so compliance tells its own tale. Banks do enforce those rules as it's really not in their interest to flout them.

Banks here have a massive problem with students letting people use their bank accounts in these money scams. I particularly remember the young African girl that got caught at it last year, slap on the wrist that only encourages more of it. It was only last year that Western Union branches here made changes to it's policy requiring more ID checks. Have a look around you when you walk past any ethnic food store or any of those African hair salons and you'll see that most have facilities for wiring money back home.

blueshade

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

At least 150k Polish here, several times the number of Nigerians..yet the Poles send home less than half of what the Nigerians do.

Something completely out of whack here.

The Poles work the Nigerians don't.

Harvey Weinstein

blueshade wrote: »

The Poles work the Nigerians don't.

Thats Hate speech my friend!

Of course the fact that it might be the truth is neither here nor there in our wonderful new society.

blueshade

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Thats Hate speech my friend!

Of course the fact that it might be the truth is neither here nor there in our wonderful new society.

Anything that is considered hate speech by the ''new communities'' is hate speech now. Funny how as the numbers grow we need new laws to stop people talking about it.

James Brown

blueshade wrote: »

The Poles work the Nigerians don't.

Link?

Beta Ray Bill

is_that_so wrote: »

UK numbers are second to Poles. The French would be the biggest of European cousins - about 12K I think. As I said probably a lot of MNC people in there, earning lots of money.

According to 2014 figures in the Irish Times:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/almost-one-in-eight-living-in-ireland-hail-from-abroad-1.2471339

Poles 118,042
British 115,658
Lithuanians 35,617
Latvians 20,086
Nigerians 19,727

Unusually, the CSO figures put less than 10,000 Nigerian people in Ireland in 2016.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

Regardless of either of the above, the questions till remains.
Why is a so much going to France?

blanch152

suicide_circus wrote: »

if you are asking a question, the answer to which could cast any minority in a negative light, then you should not be asking the question.

That is an absolutely ridiculous point and I will give an example to explain why.

There are more women than men in the world. Men are therefore a minority. That means that asking a question about a gender pay gap which discriminates against women is a question that casts a minority (men) in a negative light. Therefore it shouldn't be asked and the gender pay gap that favours men should be perpetuated.

Really the thought police are going too far.

blueshade

Matt Barrett wrote: »

They would be Nigerians. He's talking on Irish people whose family line comes from Nigeria. You know not every Irish family evolved in Ireland from monkeys?

You mean Anchor Babies? You see we had a referendum on that and people voted overwhelmingly to put an end to it. We have no direct flights with Nigeria, every Nigerian who got on a flight to come to Ireland and claim asylum broke the law and they are nothing but illegal economic migrants playing the asylum system. My town has always had some genuine refugees for over 30 years, those people were welcomed and integrated well and are an asset to the community. On the other hand at least 90% of the Africans and Muslims in my town are bogus migrants posing as asylum seekers and they aren't welcome not because of their religion or colour but because they are liars and bogus migrants.