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    #92
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    gctest50 wrote: »
    more like a footballer :


    "Dutch prostitutes seek same tax deal as footballers

    Lawyer says similarities between the two professions are striking"

    With the ultimate goal to represent your country ?


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    #93
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    So you'd be ok with prostitution if there was a sex world cup?

    Probably get knocked out with a dismal effort in the quarter final.


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    #94
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Netherlands is trying to reduce tourism :

    I know. The RLD has attracted far too many tourists who are coming to the city for one reason and one reason only. The city can't cope with the number of tourists. It is a no-go area for locals.


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    #95
    gwalk
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    With the ultimate goal to represent your country ?

    the world cup of prostituion

    get sex workers from 32 countries to set up in a complex near a world cup host city and see which nation gets the most business and declare them the winners,

    could even have it in group stages and then a knockout phase too.


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    #96
    corner of hells
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/dutch-prostitutes-seek-same-tax-deal-as-footballers-1.1640856


    "Their case has been put to the tax authorities by lawyer Wilhelmina Post, who says the similarities between the two jobs are striking: prostitution, like football, is best-suited to healthy youngsters, “and although the earning potential is high, by 40 you’d certainly aim to be doing something else”."

    Fantastic , you found a five year old article. Any updates?


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    #97
    Sorry about that
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    leggo wrote: »
    They aren’t eggs lad.

    Even though both get laid.
    Sorry.


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    #98
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Most jobs carry risk to mental health and many to physical health.

    Indeed they do , but at a guess I'd imagine the risks to a street worker far out weigh the risks associated to many other jobs.


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    #99
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    So you'd be ok with prostitution if there was a sex world cup?

    Whoosh...


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    #100
    Reviews and Books Galore
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    tea and coffee wrote: »
    I really couldn't begin to equate sex with food, water and shelter on a hierarchy of needs....


    I would class it as somewhere below all of them as it is a profound kind of intamacy.


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    #101
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Fantastic , you found a five year old article. Any updates?



    Yesh, the Netherlands oldest sex workers stopped because of declining trade and arthritis :



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/netherlands/amsterdam/articles/meet-the-fokkens-the-dutch-sex-workers-turned-tour-guides/




    "Louise and her twin sister, Martine, who also accompanies us, have the dubious distinction of being the oldest sex workers in Amsterdam.

    The 74-years-olds have racked up more than a century in the trade between them and are estimated to have pleasured some 355,000 men, which is greater than the population of Iceland."

    .


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    #102
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    I see no problem in paying for sex. Why wouldn't you pay an experienced proffessional who's good at sex and is focused on your needs?



    But, I wouldn't do it myself becuase I don't like the idea of paying for it tbh. :o


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    #103
    nkl12xtw5goz70
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    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Most jobs carry risk to mental health and many to physical health.

    The Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in the US show that 4,761 men died on the job in 2017, as compared with 386 women. That means over 12 men die on the job for every one woman.

    And yet we see certain people complaining about a profession being hazardous only as soon as women become involved in doing it.

    The military is a classic example. Men were shipped off to war for centuries with nary a thought for their safety or wellbeing — but it's a different story as soon as we're shipping women off to war.


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    #104
    B.A._Baracus
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    And what an opinion you posted , calling vulnerable women brassers or junkies.

    Then you are naive.
    Yes some are vulnerable. These are the people that need help. But not everyone who is involved is vulnerable.

    That's my point. My sole point. That some choose to do this. Is that such a shocking statement to make?
    I feel for people who are forced into it. That has to stop, that is wrong. Not everyone is forced. I don't have time for some woman who chooses to do this (ala, why I said tart) Rather than get educated and try and get a good job but chooses to lay there on their backs.

    Funny tho. If I replaced the words with "dole scrounger" no one would bat an eye-lid at my post.


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    #105
    marieholmfan
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    Madalynn Hundreds Traveller wrote: »
    The Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in the US show that 4,761 men died on the job in 2017, as compared with 386 women. That means over 12 men die on the job for every one woman.

    And yet we see certain people complaining about a profession being hazardous only as soon as women become involved in doing it.

    The military is a classic example. Men were shipped off to war for centuries with nary a thought for their safety or wellbeing — but it's a different story as soon as we're shipping women off to war.
    Yes dear. :cool::rolleyes:


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    #106
    marieholmfan
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    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Why are you so derogatory towards women who are sex workers out of their own choice? What's the problem?
    They don't exist.


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    #107
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Why are you so certain?
    Why are you so desperate to believe they do?


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    #108
    B.A._Baracus
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    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Why are you so derogatory towards women who are sex workers out of their own choice? What's the problem?

    I've known people who've used escorts. We're talking people very very close to me. Over the years i've heard the exact same things from others who used them.
    Escorting is messed up world. Everyone involved. From the escort to the punter.

    Escorts get hardened pretty quick. You could argue that they see the worst in people or they see the truth in people. A woman on the game a couple of years would scratch your eyes out. Graduates of the game. The real world etc.

    You can cry your eyes out for these ladies on the surface all you want. I wont. but as i said before, if i was talking about people on the dole. others on here wouldnt bat an eyelid.


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    #109
    JohnnyFlash
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    Dudes who pay for sex couldn’t give a shîte about whether the woman is trafficked or not. Not two hoots. As if a Moldovan woman comes to Ireland because she wants to have sex with lots of overweight men.

    I used to go on an annual ‘golfing’ holiday to Spain with the golf club. The majority of the lads are married and at least half of them were off riding hookers during the holiday. Huge amounts of gargle and cocaine as well. You’d know in advance the sort of lads who would be off ploughing it into a Bulgarian prostitute after 8 pints. Sort of lads who care about nothing.

    So if your father/uncle etc is going to to Spain or Portugal (or shudder - Thailand) to play golf then there’s a very good chance he’s also being persuaded by his mates to give the old nosebag and sex for money thing a go.


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    #110
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Why are you so desperate to believe they do?

    They don't exist.


    I have met a few prostitutes and they are in it entirely willingly and 'happilly. (Happy as any other job)



    Why wouldn't you want to earn an IT man's salary for ten hours per week? They don't need a husband to provide for them as they can provide for themselves.



    Although, as it is 'on all the time' the ten hours are more engaging than working in a cafe.



    I think you're arguing that it is a neccesity in regards to paying for food and lodging so they are not actually in it willingly?


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    #111
    Cyclepath
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    Paying for sex will invariably be viewed through a Morality lens by most people. Many can't separate the intrinsic act from their own beliefs and attitudes to sex.

    I'm pretty sure a lot of vegans might tell you that the act of purchasing meat and thereby sponsoring the death of an animal, is far more morally troublesome than two adults engaging in a consensual sexual arrangement for money. To clarify, I am not a vegan, nor am I opposed to paying money for sex.


    I think that many groups have a hidden agenda in wanting to ban sex work. They know that framing the target as fighting sexual slavery gets you more support that simply trying to ban sex work. They have been so successful in their disinformation campaigns that most people now assume that most sex workers are trafficked. However, studies in Australia and New Zealand where they legalised sex work found no evidence of trafficking.

    Here's a good article from the Washington Post that provides links to some interesting data, and the sort of tactics employed by religious and agenda backed movements.


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    #112
    victor8600
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    You would not pay a non-professional to install a gas boiler in your house, right? Likewise, I think it is wrong to pay non-professionals for sex.

    For these desperate or desperately busy people who cannot find a sex partner, let them hire a professional. But the prostitute should be formally educated and have the power to refuse the service.


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    #113
    leggo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    oh no. one of the most opinionated people on boards.ie has an issue with someone who has a different opinion to his! :eek:

    What? None of this is opinion-based, you stated a fact that the majority of women in prostitution enter into it by choice. I asked if you had any evidence to back that up or is it just a lie you tell yourself. You came back with this somewhat bizarre response, which I’m guessing is an admission that no, that was just a statement you made up...


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    #114
    B.A._Baracus
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    leggo wrote: »
    What? None of this is opinion-based, you stated a fact that the majority of women in prostitution enter into it by choice. I asked if you had any evidence to back that up or is it just a lie you tell yourself. You came back with this somewhat bizarre response, which I’m guessing is an admission that no, that was just a statement you made up...

    Like I said in my previous post, I base this on people (few who are quite close) who have told me the same over the years. People who have used escorts... and it's a messed up "industry" there Leggo is case you didn't know.


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    #115
    Gael23
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    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

    The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

    Get some lube and a playboy magazine then take care of matters yourself


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    #116
    leggo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Like I said in my previous post, I base this on people (few who are quite close) who have told me the same over the years. People who have used escorts... and it's a messed up "industry" there Leggo is case you didn't know.

    Well that showed me. You’ll never get a more reliable source of information than a guy under an alias quoting random lads who use prostitutes claiming they “wanted it.” Someone call Varadkar and tell him this case is closed and we’d got this whole prostitution thing wrong.


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    #117
    B.A._Baracus
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    leggo wrote: »
    Well that showed me. You’ll never get a more reliable source of information than a guy under an alias quoting random lads who use prostitutes claiming they “wanted it.” Someone call Varadkar and tell him this case is closed and we’d got this whole prostitution thing wrong.

    Ok Leggo... how am I wrong? come on now. If you wanna play the "says who" card well then i'll play. How am i wrong? how do you know I am wrong and you are right?

    or are you gonna play the whole "well I never said anything" card. Cheap ass psychology outta you. All you do.


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    #118
    Berserker
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I've known people who've used escorts. We're talking people very very close to me. Over the years i've heard the exact same things from others who used them. Escorting is messed up world. Everyone involved. From the escort to the punter.

    Can you expand on this paragraph. How is it a messed up world for everyone involved? From reading the AMA on this forum, I would have thought that most of the interactions would be civilized and professional by nature. The lady in question came across as a well rounded person and her client base, for want of a better term, was made up of a bunch of regulars, if I remember correctly.
    victor8600 wrote: »
    For these desperate or desperately busy people who cannot find a sex partner, let them hire a professional.

    I have sympathy for the former, less so for the later but I still don't think that justifies legalization.


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    #119
    B.A._Baracus
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    Berserker wrote: »


    I have sympathy for the former, less so for the later but I still don't think that justifies legalization.

    That last quote wasn't from me Berz :p


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    #120
    khaldrogo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭khaldrogo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.
    If any man thinks that any woman has entered into prostitution because they actually want to do it, they are kidding themselves.
    Yes many women do it, but don't fool yourselves into believing they actually want to do it.

    And you have personally spoken to every single prostitute in the world I suppose???

    How many have you actually personally spoken to exactly?


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    #121
    Bobblehats
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    gwalk wrote: »
    the world cup of prostituion

    get sex workers from 32 countries to set up in a complex near a world cup host city and see which nation gets the most business and declare them the winners,

    could even have it in group stages and then a knockout phase too.

    Everybody wants to be in the knockouts.


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