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Mad_maxx wrote: »

No person choses a path like that willingly

What about Kate McGrew brought up in this thread? What about Belle du Jour?

Padre_Pio

To all the people who are anti prostitution, if you could guarantee the woman (or man) was a totally willing participant would you be for it?

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Wibbs wrote: »

though to be fair it can be a "thing" like he describes, more usual that sex dries up on one side(like one chap described in his own life). That said it's nearly always the woman referenced and blamed for that, but I've known quite a few women in largely sexless longtermers where it was the man who wasn't up for it and it affected their sense of self and well being and feeling of being a desirable person just as much. If not a little worse in some ways, because it tends to be much less talked about. And the idea that men are always up for it, which must make a woman in that situation feel even worse. Why isn't he wanting me kinda thing. I mean the "frigid married woman" thing is a near meme, so at least there might be a sense of "well, sure I'm not alone in this" for the men in such setups. That 80's US comedy show Married With Children used the sexless husband as a theme, but that's about the only one I can think of in the media?

Imo, I think that's why I don't really see a problem with having 'weekend holidays' for both partners. I think the chinese have the concept of 'heart love' where you think with your nurturing part and 'animal love' where you think with your animal part.



Might make it more monogamous...maybe.

twowheelsonly

victor8600 wrote: »

On the other hand, I feel nothing but contempt for somebody who would treat another person as just a sexual object in exchange for money.

Are you talking about the Prostitute or the John here ?? After all, both are doing the same thing essentially.


I appreciate that it's anecdotal but...…..

I personally know two prostitutes, both of whom work at it part-time but regularly. They're both friends but I'd know one of them better than the other. She's as happy as Larry. She's a single mother of two school going kids so does a few day-time shifts of her own choice each week. On a quiet week she'll take in around €500. Coming up to Christmas / special occasions etc she'll do a bit more. As she says herself, it's like any other job. There's good days and bad days, nice customers and crap ones but the majority would be nice, same as anywhere.
Interestingly, whilst a few of us know what she does, I asked her if she'd 'go public' if it were legalised and her answer was no as she reckons too many people would judge her and her children.

(And no..... I haven't.....)

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myshirt wrote: »

I am too lazy to read the whole thread but I hope that someone has mentioned that "free sex" is actually the most expensive.

On a serious note, don't regard myself as a prude or anything to that effect, but certainly something unsettling about sex as a product. We have wives, daughters, sisters, friends. Where is the respect and decency gone?

I am not Jesus Christ levitating on the cross above you all though. I live in the real world. If a girl wants to do this, more power to her elbow, but there's something that's just unsettling about it for me. I hope she's ok, but I somehow just don't know if she is. Maybe I'm wrong. Hopefully I'm wrong. Just not for me.

In fairness, sometimes you want somebody to nurture wife/daughter and sometimes you want somebody to let wild with (whore and I'm using this word without any judgement). It's the same way sometimes a woman wants a husband, sometimes she wants a son figure, and sometimes she wants a bushman to be an animal.



I guess it's madonna/whore but both genders do have it.

Tell me how

Bullet To The Head? wrote: »

Look you talk **** about men who pay for it but those guys have hit rock bottom. They don't give a **** anymore. And why should they? I'm not there yet but there's no brakes on this train.

But yeah you're a woman and sex is on tap for you. For your so called empathy, you're actually clueless.

If you think all women have sex on tap I think it indicates a misunderstanding of what sex (meaningful sex) is for a lot of people.
It's way more than just the physical act for most people (certainly women in my experience, fwiw).

Thinking about this and your partner might give you some things to work at in order to improve the situation for you both.

leggo

If you were to take these kind of threads and build a profile of the typical boards user based off them, it’d look like:

- Man who hates #MeToo or any kind of women speaking up
- Thinks dating apps are BS
- Thinks prostitution gets a bad wrap

Oof. When did boards become a haven for the incels?

leggo

leggo wrote: »

If you were to take these kind of threads and build a profile of the typical boards user based off them, it’d look like:

- Man who hates #MeToo or any kind of women speaking up
- Thinks dating apps are BS
- Thinks prostitution gets a bad wrap

Oof. When did boards become a haven for the incels?

Wow.

I am not a fan of the #metoo movement.
I do think that dating apps are bull****
And I have no problem with legalising prostitution.

Apparently I am an incel?

Ok Leggo. :rolleyes:

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leggo wrote: »

If you were to take these kind of threads and build a profile of the typical boards user based off them, it’d look like:

- Man who hates #MeToo or any kind of women speaking up
- Thinks dating apps are BS
- Thinks prostitution gets a bad wrap

Oof. When did boards become a haven for the incels?

I love how incel is being used to insult men. It's just funny how people are calling men mysognists by saying that they can't get laid and insulting their masculinity :P



I feel like it's being used in the same way 'gay' was used if a man stepped out of societies role.

khaldrogo

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I love how incel is being used to insult men. It's just funny how people are calling men mysognists by saying that they can't get laid and insulting their masculinity :P



I feel like it's being used in the same way 'gay' was used if a man stepped out of societies role.

These feminazis and beta males who are throwing the 'incel' insults around should realize that straight males who are secure in themselves couldn't give a shîte what labels you try to push on them.

I can just picture this person > "I called him an incel!! That will show him..."..... Lol
All it shows is how desperate you are to try and make a weak point seem strong.

Elmer Blooker

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

In fairness, sometimes you want somebody to nurture wife/daughter and sometimes you want somebody to let wild with (whore and I'm using this word without any judgement). It's the same way sometimes a woman wants a husband, sometimes she wants a son figure, and sometimes she wants a bushman to be an animal.

I suppose it would help if it was a wealthy bushman and not a poor one?

Feisar

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Are you talking about the Prostitute or the John here ?? After all, both are doing the same thing essentially.


I appreciate that it's anecdotal but...…..

I personally know two prostitutes, both of whom work at it part-time but regularly. They're both friends but I'd know one of them better than the other. She's as happy as Larry. She's a single mother of two school going kids so does a few day-time shifts of her own choice each week. On a quiet week she'll take in around €500. Coming up to Christmas / special occasions etc she'll do a bit more. As she says herself, it's like any other job. There's good days and bad days, nice customers and crap ones but the majority would be nice, same as anywhere.
Interestingly, whilst a few of us know what she does, I asked her if she'd 'go public' if it were legalised and her answer was no as she reckons too many people would judge her and her children.

(And no..... I haven't.....)

I always peddle the broken lives/damaged goods type hooker however the only one I ever met seemed A1.
I was living with a drug dealer in Belfast back in the day. Arrived back to the house one evening and there was this doll. Bleach blonde, tanned to death and tits about to pour out of her top, eating a fish supper with my friendly dealer. After she had left he said what she did for a crust but that they were friends.

leggo

I’m just saying there’s a recurring trend there that’s clear to see. If someone was able to consensually get the ride, they wouldn’t have issues with women speaking up about being sexually assaulted, would be happy with dating apps because it’s a system that benefitted them and wouldn’t be so willing to ignore constant reports about human trafficking within prostitution and instead look at one AMA with one person from years ago as all the justification they needed. They are three stances you need to bend over backwards to get to individually and they paint a very obvious picture.

And as soon as I pointed that out, immediately the incel language (“feminazi beta male cuck white knight etc”) began getting trotted out on-command.

leggo

leggo wrote: »

I’m just saying there’s a recurring trend there that’s clear to see. If someone was able to consensually get the ride, they wouldn’t have issues with women speaking up about being sexually assaulted, would be happy with dating apps because it’s a system that benefitted them and wouldn’t be so willing to ignore constant reports about human trafficking within prostitution and instead look at one AMA with one person from years ago as all the justification they needed. They are three stances you need to bend over backwards to get to individually and they paint a very obvious picture.

And as soon as I pointed that out, immediately the incel language (“feminazi beta male cuck white knight etc”) began getting trotted out on-command.

While I disagree with the language used by some of the people who responded, you can't be surprised that they lower themselves to your level with your use of incel as an insult.

I also vehemently disagree with your statement that only people who "can't consensually get the ride" would have an issue with what the #metoo movement became.

There is plenty wrong with that movement.

Also, agreeing with the legalisation of prostitution to potentially STOP human trafficking is hardly an indication of not being able to "consensually get the ride".

And the fact that I personally think that dating apps have diminished the ability of both sexes to start a more organic relationship and instead become some Instagram-lite shallow way of judging someone purely on their looks is a little sad. I'm very glad that I am married and am not on the dating scene in this day and age. But, sure that's probably another sign that I can't "consensually get the ride"

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Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I suppose it would help if it was a wealthy bushman and not a poor one?

Funnily enough, I did imagine a bushman with 'wealthy/good supply of food and nutrition' health indicators.



A good head of hair, a strong meaty bone structure (not a gym rat or overly lean), good body hair, tall and with a strong pair of hands, and with healthy clear skin without blemishes.



Do you know there was a psychological study that said women can tell a man's social class based on skin tone due to the fact (most probably modern tbh) that organic/healthy food has become a class signifier?



Just interesting how you said wealthy, but it may in fact be 'healthy'. Edit: I'm talking about my own thought pattern and not picking at your words :P

leggo

You’re taking this personally and you realise I never, at any stage, said ‘the Dunne’ right? That’s a mantle you’ve taken up yourself man.

And you’re making a lot of assumptions on my behalf. I said the combination of the three paints a particular picture. I also think there’s eejits on every side of every discussion. I absolutely loved Bill Burr’s “I think we got ‘em all/Believe 88% of women” breakdown of #MeToo. I also think prostitution should be legalised, but for different reasons.

But, still, it’s hard to deny the picture that vehemently arguing all three stances paints. When someone argues against women, as a whole, shouldn’t speak up about sexual assault, or that one boards AMA conclusively proves that most prostitutes go into it wilfully and happily...they’re both total BS stances to cover for something else. I’m sure you can admit that too, there’s something else going on there right? And it’s natural to wonder what that something else they’re not saying is.

alangeorge

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

its wrong now because its illegal here but more importantly its wrong because its the innocent and
vulnerable girls that suffer here with pimps and traffickers taking total advantage of the situation and clients will continue to support it and agrue theres nothing wrong with it because of their own selfish needs but at the end of the day they dont think or care about these vulnerable girls who get forced into it through no fault of their own and youre naive about STDS too and you cant compare couples with a business like escorting, do you really believe these escorts will stop working because of an STD, of course not, many work away, do you really believe they care about guys who visit them who are total strangers and who they will never see again, get real please, cash is king and most will work as its their business, their livelihood and they got bills and rent to pay.

Wibbs

leggo wrote: »

Oof. When did boards become a haven for the incels?

The better question would be when did boards* become a haven for retarded American tropes like "incel/feminazi/beta male/cuck/white knight etc" and all the others with the simplistic decisiveness for the sluggish of thought. BTW and I hate to break it to you, you're just as guilty of buying into it wholesale.








*The answer seems to be about five years ago when it first started to creep in and went nuts when that orange fcuknugget Trump came along. Before that "cucking" was only to be found among bored suburban deviants bumping - and they usually were - uglies.

marieholmfan

Not to mention that tedious dullard Bill Burr.

Wibbs wrote: »

The better question would be when did boards* become a haven for retarded American tropes like "incel/feminazi/beta male/cuck/white knight etc" and all the others with the simplistic decisiveness for the sluggish of thought. BTW and I hate to break it to you, you're just as guilty of buying into it wholesale.








*The answer seems to be about five years ago when it first started to creep in and went nuts when that orange fcuknugget Trump came along. Before that "cucking" was only to be found among bored suburban deviants bumping - and they usually were - uglies.

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Wibbs wrote: »

The better question would be when did boards* become a haven for retarded American tropes like "incel/feminazi/beta male/cuck/white knight etc" and all the others with the simplistic decisiveness for the sluggish of thought. BTW and I hate to break it to you, you're just as guilty of buying into it wholesale.


*The answer seems to be about five years ago when it first started to creep in and went nuts when that orange fcuknugget Trump came along. Before that "cucking" was only to be found among bored suburban deviants bumping - and they usually were - uglies.

Absolutely.

leggo

Harry_Kane32 wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that all prostitutes go into wilfully and happily. It is merely being pointed out that some do and some don't. Why should those who make a good living out of it and happily choose that profession be prevented from doing so.

Remember this argument "my body, my choice". Isn't it interesting how that argument only applies for abortion.

Why are you arguing with me then? I said I feel prostitution should be made legal in the same post you’re disagreeing with. So if it’s not ACTUALLY that do you want to address the nerve that I did touch then?

leggo

Wibbs wrote: »

The better question would be when did boards* become a haven for retarded American tropes like "incel/feminazi/beta male/cuck/white knight etc" and all the others with the simplistic decisiveness for the sluggish of thought. BTW and I hate to break it to you, you're just as guilty of buying into it wholesale.








*The answer seems to be about five years ago when it first started to creep in and went nuts when that orange fcuknugget Trump came along. Before that "cucking" was only to be found among bored suburban deviants bumping - and they usually were - uglies.

Bemoans Americanisms.

Uses an Americanism (‘retarded’) to do so.

Good job.

leggo

leggo wrote: »

You’re taking this personally and you realise I never, at any stage, said ‘the Dunne’ right? That’s a mantle you’ve taken up yourself man.

And you’re making a lot of assumptions on my behalf. I said the combination of the three paints a particular picture. I also think there’s eejits on every side of every discussion. I absolutely loved Bill Burr’s “I think we got ‘em all/Believe 88% of women” breakdown of #MeToo. I also think prostitution should be legalised, but for different reasons.

But, still, it’s hard to deny the picture that vehemently arguing all three stances paints. When someone argues against women, as a whole, shouldn’t speak up about sexual assault, or that one boards AMA conclusively proves that most prostitutes go into it wilfully and happily...they’re both total BS stances to cover for something else. I’m sure you can admit that too, there’s something else going on there right? And it’s natural to wonder what that something else they’re not saying is.

I don't think you are right in any way.

"When someone argues against women, as a whole, shouldn’t speak up about sexual assault"??

That is a huge misrepresentation of what the metoo movement became and people who opposed it. I'm sure you can agree that most people opposed to #metoo are not in favour of suppression of legitimate claims?

I know you didn't single me out personally. But when you make outlandish claims that boards has become a "haven for incels" and cite those three reasons to back up your claim, you kind of asked to be pulled up on it. You are alsmost doubling down by saying:

"they’re both total BS stances to cover for something else. I’m sure you can admit that too, there’s something else going on there right?"

No, I don't. It's possible to have a different opinion and not have a sinister ulterior motive.

marieholmfan

leggo wrote: »

Bemoans Americanisms.

Uses an Americanism (‘retarded’) to do so.

Good job.

Maybe it's time to ask yourself why you're up at 5 in the morning arguing with people 5,000 KM away?

leggo

Harry_Kane32 wrote: »

Your ogic is flawed, it should be dispelled.

I’ll get to work on that ogic.

leggo

marieholmfan wrote: »

Maybe it's time to ask yourself why you're up at 5 in the morning arguing with people 5,000 KM away?

...it’s 10.17am are you alright?

Wibbs

marieholmfan wrote: »

Not to mention that tedious dullard Bill Burr.

I quite like Burr. He's more complex a societal reporter than he is often given credit for. He certainly maintains a more nuanced view of this latest American cultural ballsology.

Harry_Kane32 wrote: »

Nobody has claimed that all prostitutes go into wilfully and happily. It is merely being pointed out that some do and some don't. Why should those who make a good living out of it and happily choose that profession be prevented from doing so.

Indeed. There seems to be again the quite simplistic image of sex workers as being of a type, depending on one's personal views going in. On the one hand they're all trafficked women victims whoring themselves in back alleys, on the other they're independent women doing their own thing with their bodies by choice. Male prostitutes appear to be entirely absent from the discussion. The reality as usual is more complex.

Remember this argument "my body, my choice". Isn't it interesting how that argument only applies for abortion.

Again that tends to fall along political and social lines.

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leggo wrote: »

Why are you arguing with me then? I said I feel prostitution should be made legal in the same post you’re disagreeing with. So if it’s not ACTUALLY that do you want to address the nerve that I did touch then?

You know, it's an interesting argument style to say that somebody is acting out becuase 'you touched a nerve'. I guess it's the same as a man being passive aggresive and then saying the woman is being 'emotional' if she reacts negatively.

Wibbs

leggo wrote: »

Bemoans Americanisms.

Uses an Americanism (‘retarded’) to do so.

Good job.

So completely avoid my point then? Cool beans.

khaldrogo

leggo wrote: »

I’m just saying there’s a recurring trend there that’s clear to see. If someone was able to consensually get the ride, they wouldn’t have issues with women speaking up about being sexually assaulted, would be happy with dating apps because it’s a system that benefitted them and wouldn’t be so willing to ignore constant reports about human trafficking within prostitution and instead look at one AMA with one person from years ago as all the justification they needed. They are three stances you need to bend over backwards to get to individually and they paint a very obvious picture.

And as soon as I pointed that out, immediately the incel language (“feminazi beta male cuck white knight etc”) began getting trotted out on-command.

Firstly, you can't start throwing perceived insults around and then get on your high horse when someone throws them back. From my POV through my experience online and IRL, it tends to be the woke 20 something college student or the 40+ perpetually single mother of cats, #metoo, bleeding heart SJWs that use 'incel' and 'cis' as way to try on emasculate men who don't agree with them. These type of people are far worse than even the worst misogynist imo.


Secondly there are countless males out there unable to find a partner for many reasons but let's just take the the most obvious, looks.
No matter how unattractive a woman is there will be a man who would happily have sex with her, not so for men. Women are considerably more shallow than men. An unattractive, fat, short etc man may have been at the dating app game for years with no luck.
Where is the harm in these males paying a professional to give them what the majority of women take for granted? Once the professional is willing and not being forced to.

Trafficking of women for sex is abhorrent and should carry a life sentence. However, if a woman is choosing to be a prostitute then what's the issue? Fine, it's not something you agree with or would do but you are not every woman and can not speak for every woman.