Paying for sex

mr_fegelien

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

KaneToad

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

The danger is that those selling are not doing so freely. But I'm sure you knew that already.

gwalk

Ah jaysis

Will we all have a whip around and get Fegs a brass?

Poor lad is obviously frustrated with these scutter threads

Gwynplaine

Blueballs

touts

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

Between two (or more) consenting adults willingly entering into the transaction then fair enough. However it seems that the vast majority of sex workers are either forced into the trade or are doing it purely out of desperation. Sure people can point to a few escorts who are happy to do it and are even in the media promoting their latest book or blog. However that's like saying my grandfather smoked 50 a day and lived to be 100. There are always exceptions but the exception of the few doesn't override the harm done to the majority. So for the greater good it is outlawed.

El_Duderino 09

Aitana Limited Cougar wrote: »

Whether they realise it or not, most men are paying for sex in one form or another.

Lol. Speak for yourself. Other people can have healthy relationships based on love, respect and commitment. But you can have a paid-for partner if you want.

italodisco

Would have been against it until got married and my wife went from absolute sex devil to non interested selfish cow.

If an escort is legitimately independent etc I see no wrong.

I do everything for my wife and kid, everything. I get nothing in return. I don't cheat, I've had a zillion opportunities and said no. I've asked my wife recently to allow me find another married woman who is deprived and let me fulfil that sexual aspect , she said no.

Atlantic Dawn

italodisco wrote: »

Would have been against it until got married and my wife went from absolute sex devil to non interested selfish cow.

If an escort is legitimately independent etc I see no wrong.

I do everything for my wife and kid, everything. I get nothing in return. I don't cheat, I've had a zillion opportunities and said no. I've asked my wife recently to allow me find another married woman who is deprived and let me fulfil that sexual aspect , she said no.

Why would you look for another married women to potentially destroy her marriage?

jaxxx

Nosey busy bodies and "do gooders" who think it's their right to tell everyone else what they should or shouldn't do with their lives.

That aside, there are two factors to consider: those who are forced and trafficked against their will, and those that actually choose to have sex for money (many people refuse to believe that the latter even exists). As is normal fashion, the government reacted with ye old hammer of heavy handed tactics, and it's failed spectacularly. In the 2 plus years since the purchase of sex in this country was made illegal, there has only been a mere handful of arrests. In turn they've ended up failing both those who are forced into sexual slavery, as well as those who are doing so of their own free will. There was an article going back some months back that stated violence against sex workers had increased dramatically since the law change. Sex workers themselves have been campaigning for full decriminalisation for years, only to have their voices silenced by the powers that be. How can silencing the sex workers do anything for their own rights?

There are those forced and trafficked against their will, and those that willingly choose to sell sex. They cannot be dealt with in the same way, and it's about time the government copped onto that. Regarding those who choose sex work, whatever your thoughts are in relation to it, at the end of the day it's consensual sex between two people, the only difference is that money's involved. Making something illegal rarely makes it fully disappear. So make it safer instead.

jaxxx

touts wrote: »

Between two (or more) consenting adults willingly entering into the transaction then fair enough. However it seems that the vast majority of sex workers are either forced into the trade or are doing it purely out of desperation. Sure people can point to a few escorts who are happy to do it and are even in the media promoting their latest book or blog. However that's like saying my grandfather smoked 50 a day and lived to be 100. There are always exceptions but the exception of the few doesn't override the harm done to the majority. So for the greater good it is outlawed.

Based on what facts? How do you know the majority are forced and not the other way around? Maybe you're right, I don't know, but I always withhold the final decision until I know the fact. And I certainly wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of Ruhama that's for damn sure. As far as I'm concerned, they only care about getting their funding and care even less IF AT ALL about the people they claim to try and help. And I base that solely on the interviews and articles written by them over the last couple of years. As I said in my above post, the sex workers themselves are the ones that should be listened to, and yet they're the ones not being listened to?? How does that make sense?

HappyAsLarE

If you’re not the following:
Ronaldo
Clooney
Pitt

You’re most likely paying for sex.

BDI

If men control the money.
If they can pay for the sex.
Nobody will marry Norma.
All the Norma’s of the world are scared that these men won’t settle for them.

daveorourke77

I've never paid for sex.

However, I dont see why it shouldn't be treated as a normal cash transaction between two adults as long as there is no criminal component.

Prostitution should definitely be legalised.

daveorourke77

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

If you’re not the following:
Ronaldo
Clooney
Pitt

You’re most likely paying for sex.

I'm not and I'm not.

tea and coffee

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

I really couldn't begin to equate sex with food, water and shelter on a hierarchy of needs....

Guy:Incognito

touts wrote: »

Between two (or more) consenting adults willingly entering into the transaction then fair enough. However it seems that the vast majority of sex workers are either forced into the trade or are doing it purely out of desperation. Sure people can point to a few escorts who are happy to do it and are even in the media promoting their latest book or blog. However that's like saying my grandfather smoked 50 a day and lived to be 100. There are always exceptions but the exception of the few doesn't override the harm done to the majority. So for the greater good it is outlawed.

So hows the outlawing of it working out for these people? Is it making it easier or harder for the (predominantly) women in the trade?

whisky_galore

One sex please.

Church on Tuesday

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

If you’re not the following:
Ronaldo
Clooney
Pitt

You’re most likely paying for sex.

He has.

Dr. Bre

Praying for sex more like..

hatrickpatrick

It's very simple, a large part of society still views sex as something with some kind of spiritual or metaphysical significance, as opposed to those of us who simply view it as something to be considered everyday and mundane. The former group attach all kinds of cultural rules of right and wrong to sexual actions taken between consenting adults, the latter do not. At the moment, the former dominate mainstream politics from various angles. It remains to be seen how long this will remain the case, I for one hope that that ideology becomes an archaic memory sooner rather than later. But obviously that's just my opinion.

elperello

BDI wrote: »

If men control the money.
If they can pay for the sex.
Nobody will marry Norma.
All the Norma’s of the world are scared that these men won’t settle for them.

Would that include this Norma?

https://medium.com/the-nonfiction-zone/18-fascinating-facts-about-marilyn-monroe-f074ccd76f2b

dotsman

touts wrote: »

However it seems that the vast majority of sex workers are either forced into the trade or are doing it purely out of desperation.

What kind of bull**** statement is that??????

super_furry

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter

By who? How many people die because they go a week without getting the ride?

Panthro

super_furry wrote: »

By who? How many people die because they go a week without getting the ride?

It's a well known fhact that's there's people up and down the country dropping dead every day on Irish streets because they've gone over a week without making the beast with two backs with someone.
It's epidemic at this stage.

Poor non riding bastards.

Galwayguy35

Seems to work well in Holland where it's legal and the police keep an eye on things to make sure nobody is being forced to do anything they aren't comfortable with.

We will probably have to wait a few years here before it is on the table for discussion though because the spineless TDs here will just ignore it even though some politicians, judges and the clergy have all been going to prostitutes for years.

touts

touts wrote: »

or are doing it purely out of desperation

You could quite literally say that about every job, everywhere. Nobody works in the €2 Shop because they've always wanted to. It's to pay the bills and keep food on the table.

BDI

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You could quite literally say that about every job, everywhere. Nobody works in the €2 Shop because they've always wanted to. It's to pay the bills and keep food on the table.

Exactly, you would get more respect on the game than you would working in retail

ToddyDoody

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it seen as wrong? Sex is considered a need like food, water, shelter yet paying for it is considered immoral, desperate, offensive to women, etc....

The "it spreads STD's argument" doesn't add up because many escorts get tested more often than typical couples.

How much are you offering?

coffee_cake

BDI wrote: »

Exactly, you would get more respect on the game than you would working in retail

Give me a break

juneg

tea and coffee wrote: »

I really couldn't begin to equate sex with food, water and shelter on a hierarchy of needs....

You forgot wifi

Airyfairy12

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's very simple, a large part of society still views sex as something with some kind of spiritual or metaphysical significance, as opposed to those of us who simply view it as something to be considered everyday and mundane. The former group attach all kinds of cultural rules of right and wrong to sexual actions taken between consenting adults, the latter do not. At the moment, the former dominate mainstream politics from various angles. It remains to be seen how long this will remain the case, I for one hope that that ideology becomes an archaic memory sooner rather than later. But obviously that's just my opinion.

Bit presumptuous.

I dont attach any spiritual or metaphysical significance to sex but feel that the buying and selling of sex commodifies people.
The main reason im against it is because I feel its dehumanizing.
You have no way of knowing if the sex worker wants to be there or not, if theyre being forced into it or the circumstances that led them into having paid sex with you.
It just feels like people who buy sex have a total disregard for the wellbeing of another person while using a vulnerable person to satisfy their sexual needs.

Sex to you may be a mundane act like eating but to most people it's intimate. If it was considered so mundane things like rape and sexual assault wouldnt be illegal.

Statistics on sex workers show that theyre extremely vulnerable to mental health issues, addiction, self harm and suicide.

It's like an abuse of another person, they may be willing to engage in the sex act for your money but you dont know if they want to engage in that act.

Would you not prefare to have sex with someone who actually likes you and wants to be there with you over someone who may be repulsed by you but has to be polite and give you what you want?

It just seems a bit f'ed up.

That said, if someone genuinely wants to be sex a worker and it doesn't bother them who they sleep with or what they do then fair play, they can do what they want but unfortunately that's not always how it works.