Bride and groom getting fired on Monday

hatrickpatrick

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Yeah that’s the kicker right there hp - any matter and whether or not it relates to their employment is a question for their employers to determine according to the terms and conditions of their employment contract.

Employers nowadays have code of conduct policies and disciplinary policies which allow them to discipline employees whose conduct they determine would damage the employers reputation.

In the circumstances under discussion here, their employers if it’s in their contract of employment (which it very likely is), would be well within their rights to discipline the people in question if they determined that any disciplinary action was warranted.

Me personally I don’t imagine any disciplinary action is warranted, but I understand that other people have every right to disagree, and even though I think in these particular circumstances it’s insidious, I do understand why people would be calling for their dismissal.

I understand the current paradigm, I’m merely stating that I quite bitterly oppose it. I am absolutely and completely opposed to the encroachment of workplace authority into personal free time. It is manifesting itself in different ways and I suspect many people would agree with me about at least some of it (the idea that people should be on call 24/7 to answer calls or emails even if their work day is finished, for example) but personally I’m just blanketly opposed to it full stop. As far as I’m concerned, your boss is only your boss during the hours in which he or she is paying for your time. And provided you perform to standard during those hours, he or she shouldn’t be allowed to penalize you for what you choose to do outside those hours, unless it directly impacts your work or your workplace.

FWIW, I apply the same standards to schools and colleges - when the bell rings at the end of the school day and you leave school property, your teachers or lecturers no longer have any authority over you whatsoever. If your behavior outside those hours directly impacts on your classmates or schooling (not doing homework, bullying which carries on outside the school grounds, etc) then they absolutely have a right to punish you for it when you return the next morning. If it doesn’t, then regardless of how they feel about it (underage drinking on the weekends, offensive comments online, etc) it’s just straight up, bluntly, none of their f*cking business.

Probably seems strange to see comments like this from someone of the “always on” generation but there you go I believe in an absolute “separation of powers” if you will in terms of having a distinct and absolute red line beyond which your employer or educator does not have any say on what you do in your life, and I find it incredibly disturbing that this has been eroded in, from what I can see, the relatively short period that has been the 2010s decade.

buried

maccored wrote: »

the north is more sectarian now than it was 20 years ago. its not going to be 'some sectarian fool' that'll make ' blood flows the streets again' - it'll be a border which is on the menu a la brexit

Exactly. And who are the ones dragging the North into Brexit, against the majority of voters in the North who voted to remain? The bitter sectarian double speak trash in the DUP, that's who. Another example of hateful trash getting paid by the general citizenry of the north to throw it into chaos. Both economic chaos and possible all out violent civil warfare chaos.

But this is what you get when you allow sectarian trash into positions of power and influence.

The DUP are no different. The minute they refused to sign the GFA they should have been held down as a dissident organisation and outlawed. But no, give them the keys to the safe and get the ordinary citizen to pay for them too.
Great job.

c.p.w.g.w

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what they are looking into. As far as I know, swearing isn't illegal. Blasphemy law isn't in place in NI is it? So I can't possibly see any law that has been broken.

What a bizarre world we live in now.

Incitement of hate maybe?

gormdubhgorm

armaghlad wrote: »

What part of the north are you from? I’m assuming you don’t have to share a village, town or city with these people. I’m assuming you don’t have a Soldier F banner draped across your town centre? (Oddly enough Jennie Andrews has an “I stand with Soldier F” frame on her Facebook profile picture). They’re staunch loyalists. Normal Protestants don’t sing songs like this in the same manner people from a nationalist background might sing an oul drunken rendition of the fields of Athenry. I know it seems hypocritical but it’s just the way it is up here. Loyalists are inherently sectarian whether they care to admit it or not; it’s manifested in their culture and it shows on occasions like this or the bar in Belfast that had the NI fans singing about hating Catholics.

I don't think it is all as one sided as you think.
Even if you look at the Catholic Church they made a decree early last century that all children of a mixed marriage between Protestants and Catholics would be brought up as Catholics.
Ireland made sure to follow this.


Also in Bunreacht na hÉireann article 41.1.2 it stated the following -

The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed by the great majority of the citizens.

It was only amended in 1972!

steddyeddy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't think it is all as one sided as you think.
Even if you look at the Catholic Church they made a decree early last century that all children of a mixed marriage between Protestants and Catholics would be brought up as Catholics.
Ireland made sure to follow this.


Also in Bunreacht na hÉireann article 41.1.2 it stated the following -

The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed by the great majority of the citizens.

It was only amended in 1972!

Definitely sectarian, no doubt about it. However, it doesn't approach the sectarianism of loyalists in Northern Ireland.

Thelonious Monk

I had to stop looking at reddit ireland because every second post is about hating the brits and how amazing the IRA are. I assume they all must be teenagers but this nonsense seems to be alive on both sides. Im just glad im not from the north.

Hotblack Desiato

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't think it is all as one sided as you think.
Even if you look at the Catholic Church they made a decree early last century that all children of a mixed marriage between Protestants and Catholics would be brought up as Catholics.
Ireland made sure to follow this.

That wasn't a law though, you could ignore it if you weren't worried about social ostracism, boycotts, etc.

We did have catholic church-inspired laws banning divorce, contraception, working in public sector jobs after marriage, strict censorship, etc. and it was difficult or impossible to get around these, even if you weren't a catholic.

To this day we have an education system that divides kids on the basis of religion and where 96% of schools are controlled by a church but funded by taxpayers.

shutup

At least they didn’t play tommy james and the shondells / Tiffany - I think we’re alone now!

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Do you want a teacher who hates your kids and others because of their religion? An ignorant person teaching children.

smelly sock wrote: »

This Bride and Groom really need a history lesson. They are from and currently reside in an area which is illegally occupied by a foreign country. The 6 counites are Irish and Collins sold us short.

Calhoun wrote: »

I know it wasn't a public wedding but at this stage it doesn't matter as its out there. The person who uploaded if they did it without permission has allot to answer for.

Now we know that they are both public servants and it brings into question their fitness for duty in those roles. As unlike people in the south of the country singing the fields of Athenry, most wont have daily interaction with people they dislike.

The outraged are really out in force on this one.

There are really serious implications if you are suggesting firing a teacher because of their personal beliefs.

Imagine a teacher wearing a pink ribbon to school, but works in a Catholic school where they are required to uphold the Catholic ethos. Should that teacher be fired because of their personal beliefs? They are not just expressing beliefs contrary to the school's ethos, they are doing so in front of the kids.

We are getting into dangerous territory where a teacher can be fired for expressing private beliefs in a private setting. Now, an exception can be made for someone who would pose a threat to students (e.g. expressing a belief that under-age sex is normal and that they regularly engage in it) but that would be an exceptional situation.

In this case, the beliefs expressed are abhorrent, sectarian and disgusting, but why single out this case? I am sure there are teachers on the Tyrone GAA panel. We saw their private video earlier. Should they be sacked as well?

What is required in this case for a teacher is a formal written warning, and some education and training in conflict resolution etc.

blanch152

steddyeddy wrote: »

Definitely sectarian, no doubt about it. However, it doesn't approach the sectarianism of loyalists in Northern Ireland.

Could you not express it more simply as our lot are not as bad as their lot?

That would capture the essence of your post in a better way.

Hotblack Desiato

blanch152 wrote: »

Imagine a teacher wearing a pink ribbon to school, but works in a Catholic school where they are required to uphold the Catholic ethos.

The ones fundraising for breast cancer?

Ulysses Gaze

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I had to stop looking at reddit ireland because every second post is about hating the brits and how amazing the IRA are. I assume they all must be teenagers but this nonsense seems to be alive on both sides. Im just glad im not from the north.

Probably not though! 20,30 & 40 year olds most likely.

Hector Savage

I don't understand what the fuss is anout.
"F*ck the Pope and the IRA"

1. The Pope - is head of a child raping organization.
2. The IRA - are MURDERING TERRORISTS!!!

People need to get a f*cking life if this bothers them.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The outraged are really out in force on this one.

There are really serious implications if you are suggesting firing a teacher because of their personal beliefs.

Imagine a teacher wearing a pink ribbon to school, but works in a Catholic school where they are required to uphold the Catholic ethos. Should that teacher be fired because of their personal beliefs? They are not just expressing beliefs contrary to the school's ethos, they are doing so in front of the kids.

We are getting into dangerous territory where a teacher can be fired for expressing private beliefs in a private setting. Now, an exception can be made for someone who would pose a threat to students (e.g. expressing a belief that under-age sex is normal and that they regularly engage in it) but that would be an exceptional situation.

In this case, the beliefs expressed are abhorrent, sectarian and disgusting, but why single out this case? I am sure there are teachers on the Tyrone GAA panel. We saw their private video earlier. Should they be sacked as well?

What is required in this case for a teacher is a formal written warning, and some education and training in conflict resolution etc.

Blanch you're just popping in to defend their behaviour by saying, 'the others do it too'. Typical fare.
Next time you get outraged about something I expect you'll have a more even keeled approach...nah, only joking, you'll shoe horn in the Troubles and the usual.

gormdubhgorm

Just over 20 years ago there was this -

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/3-teachers-sacked-over-lifestyles-1.58793

Where is the line drawn and who decides it?
Is Twitter the barometer these days?

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Just over 20 years ago there was this -

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/3-teachers-sacked-over-lifestyles-1.58793

Where is the line drawn and who decides it?
Is Twitter the barometer these days?

Difference is a religion calling the shots or allowing hatred go unquestioned. Both wrong. They got caught out, now people know, people will react.

yermandan

No job losses then?

Hector Savage

yermandan wrote: »

No job losses then?

Let's hope not.
Ridicolous to fire people over slagging off a terrorist organization and the head of a child raping cult.

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Difference is a religion calling the shots or allowing hatred go unquestioned. Both wrong.

They are both intertwined though the only difference I see to that article 20 years ago is that society is more advanced in it's mob outrage and societal hypocrisy.

The hashtags have replaced the pitchforks.
In my view the mob vilifying those two eejits at hyperbolic levels, are no better than them.
And if the thing was turned on its head and sectarian and political ballads were sung at a wedding by Catholics who support the 'cause' it would be called an auld 'sing-song' or be called 'legends' by most of the same judge, jury and executioners.

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are both intertwined though the only difference I see to that article 20 years ago is that society is more advanced in it's mob outrage and societal hypocrisy.

The hashtags have replaced the pitchforks.
In my view the mob vilifying those two eejits at hyperbolic levels, are no better than them.
And if the thing was turned on its head and sectarian and political ballads were sung at a wedding by Catholics who support the 'cause' it will be called an auld 'sing-song' or be called 'legends' by some of the same judge, jury and executioners.

I think that's right wing propaganda. We didn't go from Christian conservative overlords and world financial cartels to 'woke' transgender Muslims calling the shots. The idea that it's gone too far is just conservatives trying to hold on to power. Have you seen the US President, the UK PM? Hardly softie lefties.

Anyway if this came out twenty odd years ago the result would be the same. There's just more volume because everyone has a voice due to social media.

Strumms

Why the fùck anyone would be bothered about the Pope or the IRA on their wedding day that is beyond me let alone singing about them. you'd want to be not in the possession of a fully functional brain...if I'm getting married the only concern I have is my other half, family and guests... some religious dude far away in Rome or anywhere else isn't going to be entering my thinking..

PostWoke

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are both intertwined though the only difference I see to that article 20 years ago is that society is more advanced in it's mob outrage and societal hypocrisy.

The hashtags have replaced the pitchforks.

Are these hashtags metaphorical too?

Feisar

Strumms wrote: »

Why the fùck anyone would be bothered about the Pope or the IRA on their wedding day that is beyond me let alone singing about them. you'd want to be not in the possession of a fully functional brain...if I'm getting married the only concern I have is my other half, family and guests... some religious dude far away in Rome or anywhere else isn't going to be entering my thinking..

To them Pope = Catholics = Tadhg's = Fenian's = Nationalist's = Mick's

It's not the Pope they are funking off.

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think that's right wing propaganda. We didn't go from Christian conservative overlords and world financial cartels to 'woke' transgender Muslims calling the shots. The idea that it's gone too far is just conservatives trying to hold on to power. Have you seen the US President, the UK PM? Hardly softie lefties.

Anyway if this came out twenty odd years ago the result would be the same. There's just more volume because everyone has a voice due to social media.

How is it right-wing propaganda?
People on social media with agendas construct outrage when it does not suit thier views. But they never look at how thier own actions are viewed by others.

Do you not see the point I am making?
Many here on this very thread would have enthusiastically shouted 'IRA' for the craic during the fields of athenry. Thinking nothing of it - great craic
Yet they jump on these two at the wedding because they are the 'others'

John Delaney singing Republican songs put him up in the estimate of some people a legend. :cool:
Yet he was CEO of an organisation that was not sacked or even reprimanded properly for it.
But if the 'others' do it suddenly there is outrage - think of the children - they are teachers etc. :eek:

The hypocrisy stinks in my view.
It is part of the reason stormont has being idle for years each side looking for an excuse to find fault with the other. Playing games. Rather than looking at thier own actions.

gormdubhgorm

Feisar wrote: »

To them Pope = Catholics = Tadhg's = Fenian's = Nationalist's = Mick's

It's not the Pope they are funking off.

How many Irish people in the whole island do you think would be offended by this in all seriousness?

1) No more kissing of the Bishop's ring before the Bishop used to do the 'throw in' Croke Park

2) Contraception legalised

3) The Divorce Referendum = passed

4) The same-sex marriage referendum = passed

5) Abortion referendum = passed

If someone called me a Tadhg or a Mick I would just laugh.
If someone insulted me for being a Catholic I would not care I don't believe in it or go to mass. I don't see much difference between Protestantism v Catholicism if I am honest. It is all superficial stuff to me.
How many staunch Catholics or Protestants are there these days?

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

How is it right-wing propaganda?
People on social media with agendas construct outrage when it does not suit thier views. But they never look at how thier own actions are viewed by others.

Do you not see the point I am making?
Many here on this very thread would have enthusiastically shouted 'IRA' for the craic during the fields of athenry. Thinking nothing of it - great craic
Yet they jump on these two at the wedding because they are the 'others'

John Delaney singing Republican songs put him up in the estimate of some people a legend. :cool:
Yet he was CEO of an organisation that was not sacked or even reprimanded properly for it.
But if the 'others' do it suddenly there is outrage - think of the children - they are teachers etc. :eek:

The hypocrisy stinks in my view.
It is part of the reason stormont has being idle for years each side looking for an excuse to find fault with the other. Playing games. Rather than looking at thier own actions.

Because it's always complaining about people complaining not the issues.
People are people. I don't think there's a leftist or woke movement trying to take over or that has gone too far is all.

The point is they got caught. I agree it happens from time to time. Now it's out there people will react. Tough luck for them.

It is hypocrisy for some, genuine disgust for others. I've never been to a wedding were the bride and groom sing **** the queen and the SAS or who ever.

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Because it's always complaining about people complaining not the issues.
People are people. I don't think there's a leftist or woke movement trying to take over or that has gone too far is all.

The point is they got caught. I agree it happens from time to time. Now it's out there people will react. Tough luck for them.

It is hypocrisy for some, genuine disgust for others. I've never been to a wedding were the bride and groom sing **** the queen and the SAS or who ever.

In fairness the Republican side have not being stupid/brazen enough to put it on film for a long time




But at least the two wedding guests in the OP's post did not have much weapons lying around.

osarusan

I doubt they'll get fired over it, but they'll be under some scrutiny for a while I'd guess, to see if their work indicates any element of discrimination or whatever.

It'll surely have a fairly frosty impact on their relationship with some other staff members too.

weldoninhio

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

How many Irish people in the whole island do you think would be offended by this in all seriousness?

1) No more kissing of the Bishop's ring before the Bishop used to do the 'throw in' Croke Park

2) Contraception legalised

3) The Divorce Referendum = passed

4) The same-sex marriage referendum = passed

5) Abortion referendum = passed

If someone called me a Tadhg or a Mick I would just laugh.
If someone insulted me for being a Catholic I would not care I don't believe in it or go to mass. I don't see much difference between Protestantism v Catholicism if I am honest. It is all superficial stuff to me.
How many staunch Catholics or Protestants are there these days?

You'd love Bangor and parts of Belfast during July. :rolleyes:

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness the Republican side have not being stupid/brazen enough to put it on film for a long time




But at least the two wedding guests in the OP's post did not have much weapons lying around.

Accept it likely happens, no need for the RKO news reels. Mind these are literally IRA functions no so called 'normal' people.
Did you get Indiana Jones to help you dig those up?