One year on from Ms Cash's impassioned speech

splinter65

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I think you're missing my point.

The poster was complaining that the present was for only 1 of the kids - i'm just saying that's how birthday presents work.

I think anyone that keeps a horse in a housing estate should be shot, It's not in any way a suitable location. Although more so for the other residents sake than the horses, they'll be perfectly fine.

A horse in a semi d back garden last night in the pouring rain was perfectly fine? Where did the horse shelter? I hope you don’t have any pets. This is disgusting.

Ruraldweller56

splinter65 wrote: »

A horse in a semi d back garden last night in the pouring rain was perfectly fine? Where did the horse shelter? I hope you don’t have any pets. This is disgusting.

Give a read through the thread. We already had someone fervently and vehemently defending her decision to keep a pony in her back lawn.

splinter65

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I thought those houses were still empty as the county council wouldn't provide stables or land or both, I can't remember.

The whole shower should be moved on and put other needy families in the houses.

Only in ireland could 1.7 million in houses sit idle while waiting for Travellers to make up their mind will they stay or will they go

The deal has been agreed with the houses and the horses. The horses will be staying on the bridge with proper stables.
The houses are still empty because the council won’t hand over the keys until Travellers parked illegally on the side of the road in front of the houses are gone.
They are refusing to move until they too are given houses and stables and land.
It was going back to court on Wednesday this week but I haven’t heard how it turned out.

Deebles McBeebles

Most recent articles on it:

https://extra.ie/2019/09/26/news/irish-news/traveller-build-site-tipperary

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/travellers-committal-application-adjourned-for-a-week-1.4030137

the couple was getting power from a cable that went across the road that was linked into an ESB unit. This was particularly hazardous and there was a risk of electrocution and fire, counsel said.

“Why won’t the council give me a house,” she said, adding that bringing her before the court and or sending her to prison was a “waste of the government’s money.”.

Ha Long Bay

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Most recent articles on it:

https://extra.ie/2019/09/26/news/irish-news/traveller-build-site-tipperary

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/travellers-committal-application-adjourned-for-a-week-1.4030137

Can't get over that article.

"‘I know I am living in an unsafe place,’ she said. ‘I am on a bend in the road in a caravan. A car could easily come in and kill us.’ She said she, her husband William and their young baby had been offered a house in what she described as a drug-ridden estate in Thurles, and a place near another Traveller family, who had been involved in a 40-year feud with her husband’s relatives."

"She went on: ‘I’m not asking for a mansion on a hilltop. I just want a suitable home… I would pay rent.

‘…I know there will be people looking in disgust, thinking, “I am working day in, day out for a mortgage.”

"‘But, I’m not being racist, they are taking in all different types. All I want is a house.’ Judge Richard Humphreys observed that the ‘system doesn’t really work like that’ and advised Mrs McCarthy to obtain legal advice urgently, ‘because your liberty is in jeopardy here’."

KrustyUCC

It's mad alright

Loving the part of not taking a house near another Traveller family, who had been involved in a 40-year feud with her husband’s relatives

Reviews and Books Galore

piplip87 wrote: »

It's not traveller bashing. The fact this woman gets over 50k a year in benefits while having to pay maybe 160 quid a month on rent, medical bills all paid etc.... For anybody working to be left with that after rent/mortgage/medical bills they would be earning in excess of 70k.... The fact she is better off financially than thousands of people working is wrong. Every effort should be made to high light how unequal Irish Society really is to the middle class

As the median salary is 36,000 euro, it might be millions unfortunately.

splinter65

john4321 wrote: »

Can't get over that article.

"‘I know I am living in an unsafe place,’ she said. ‘I am on a bend in the road in a caravan. A car could easily come in and kill us.’ She said she, her husband William and their young baby had been offered a house in what she described as a drug-ridden estate in Thurles, and a place near another Traveller family, who had been involved in a 40-year feud with her husband’s relatives."

"She went on: ‘I’m not asking for a mansion on a hilltop. I just want a suitable home… I would pay rent.

‘…I know there will be people looking in disgust, thinking, “I am working day in, day out for a mortgage.”

"‘But, I’m not being racist, they are taking in all different types. All I want is a house.’ Judge Richard Humphreys observed that the ‘system doesn’t really work like that’ and advised Mrs McCarthy to obtain legal advice urgently, ‘because your liberty is in jeopardy here’."

I know Elizabeth “lily” very well and she is easily one of the most hard headed people I’ve ever known.
He’d ( the husband) be gone out of there in the morning only for her.
They were living quite happily and comfortably in that mobile in his mothers yard about 4 miles from there until she realized about 12 months ago that a sister of hers that she doesn’t talk to was getting one of the 6 houses.
Insanely jealous she wedged their mobile onto the already overcrowded bridge along with yet another insanely jealous sister (Winnie).
The reference to the family from Galway is concerning a cousin of her husband (whose getting one of the 6 houses) who was reared on the bridge and only lived in Galway for a couple of years before returning with husband and 5 kids about 3 years ago.
The old woman she refers to is her husbands granny.
The single man is her husbands uncle recently separated with 5 kids.

blanch152

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Engage children in specific educational programmes at a young age, and diversion programmes (such as working with horses and doing associated apprenticeships) later in their education.

At present, the educational system is passively allowing traveller children to drift, and a new focus has to be more prescriptive, whether that be by mandating participation for children with specific socio economic problems in their family background, or financial incentives.

That is pretty unfair on the education system.

The traveller culture doesn't place any value on education, especially for girls, and they are removed from education as soon as possible. Very few make it as far as Junior Cert and they are married off at 16. When the education system follows up, they are told she is gone to stay with her aunt, or somesuch nonsense and the frustrated education welfare officers are stymied.

Traveller culture is horribly misogynist, nearly on a par with some African and Islamic cultures. It is incumbent on traveller leaders to lead on these issues and erase the misogynist and homophobic elements of their culture.

punisher5112

blanch152 wrote: »

That is pretty unfair on the education system.

The traveller culture doesn't place any value on education, especially for girls, and they are removed from education as soon as possible. Very few make it as far as Junior Cert and they are married off at 16. When the education system follows up, they are told she is gone to stay with her aunt, or somesuch nonsense and the frustrated education welfare officers are stymied.

Traveller culture is horribly misogynist, nearly on a par with some African and Islamic cultures. It is incumbent on traveller leaders to lead on these issues and erase the misogynist and homophobic elements of their culture.

Isn't it amazing though that they all know how to claim welfare and wouldn't miss it in a heartbeat....

They know every single method, trick and scam going.

If the mother and father want kids allowance then kids must be in school.

PostWoke

blanch152 wrote: »

That is pretty unfair on the education system.

The traveller culture doesn't place any value on education

He's been told, he just isn't interested in reality.

nkl12xtw5goz70

blanch152 wrote: »

The traveller culture doesn't place any value on education, especially for girls, and they are removed from education as soon as possible. Very few make it as far as Junior Cert and they are married off at 16.

Travellers take their children out of school at an early age to ensure they don't become attracted to non-Travellers and develop notions about marrying outside the insular cult in which they were raised. If Traveller children went on to third level and continued to mingle with and pair off with their peers, Traveller culture would soon disappear.

freshpopcorn

Kelsey Petite Buggy wrote: »

Travellers take their children out of school at an early age to ensure they don't become attracted to non-Travellers and develop notions about marrying outside the insular cult in which they were raised. If Traveller children went on to third level and continued to mingle with and pair off with their peers, Traveller culture would soon disappear.

I'm not fully sure but I think Margaret said it was because she didn't want her kids future ruined by drugs because they are so common in the settled community.

PostWoke

Kelsey Petite Buggy wrote: »

Travellers take their children out of school at an early age to ensure they don't become attracted to non-Travellers and develop notions about marrying outside the insular cult in which they were raised. If Traveller children went on to third level and continued to mingle with and pair off with their peers, Traveller culture would soon disappear.

... is this you trying to defend inbreeding, or are you joking?

nkl12xtw5goz70

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not fully sure but I think Margaret said it was because she didn't want her kids future ruined by drugs because they are so common in the settled community.

As if there are no drugs in the Traveller community!

Eric Cartman

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not fully sure but I think Margaret said it was because she didn't want her kids future ruined by drugs because they are so common in the settled community.

god forbid one of her sons would get a leaving cert and spend some of his sallary on hash, much better he marries his cousin at 16 and beats her round the place because of chronic alcoholism.

splinter65

Kelsey Petite Buggy wrote: »

Travellers take their children out of school at an early age to ensure they don't become attracted to non-Travellers and develop notions about marrying outside the insular cult in which they were raised. If Traveller children went on to third level and continued to mingle with and pair off with their peers, Traveller culture would soon disappear.

This ^^^. Social media and smart phones and modern celebrity culture are doing terrible damage anyway.
The Kardashian’s do what they want wear what they want have sex with anyone they fancy and have babies with no husbands. And there are no consequences.
Why then does Mary-Ellen have to marry willie and go and live with him in a mobile on a halting site?

nkl12xtw5goz70

PostWoke wrote: »

... is this you trying to defend inbreeding, or are you joking?

I'm not defending it.

I believe that Traveller children should be encouraged to continue their education and be free to marry whomever they choose, ideally at an age when they are mature enough to make a free and informed choice.

sbsquarepants

splinter65 wrote: »

A horse in a semi d back garden last night in the pouring rain was perfectly fine? Where did the horse shelter? I hope you don’t have any pets. This is disgusting.

I don't know where you're getting that i somehow support this?

Horses don't belong in housing estates, end of. Mainly because they are a danger to other people - obviously the damn thing needs a shelter!

PostWoke

Wonder where the horse is tonight, in this heavy rain.

Serious storm on our way Thursday too.

I'll bet aul' Marge has this all under control.

freshpopcorn

PostWoke wrote: »

Wonder where the horse is tonight, in this heavy rain.

Serious storm on our way Thursday too.

I'll bet aul' Marge has this all under control.

Margaret never said she was poor so I suppose she may have some form of accommodation for the horse!

Omackeral

PostWoke wrote: »

Wonder where the horse is tonight, in this heavy rain.

Serious storm on our way Thursday too.

I'll bet aul' Marge has this all under control.

Probably has it in the local Garda Station.

It wasnt me123

It’s only a pony - probably in the house - the kids are probably in a mobile in the driveway

PostWoke

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Margaret never said she was poor so I suppose she may have some form of accommodation for the horse!

Never thought she was, sure she's been on the scratch claiming for several kids for years, free house too! She could lend me money!!

But unless its' free and arranged for I'm not sure Ca$$$h has the wherewithal to be honest.

Another rainy day. Poor horsey.

Omackeral wrote: »

Probably has it in the local Garda Station.

Pigs, horses, maybe a rat or two, quite the animal farm they'll have there!

Eric Cartman

PostWoke wrote: »

Pigs, horses, maybe a rat or two, quite the animal farm they'll have there!

2 wheels good no wheels bad

Chinasea

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

My youngest has asked for a giraffe for Christmas. I can fit a small giraffe in my semi-d garden, but I hope she doesnt look for a rhino or gnu next year

I worry about that poor pony in the storm

splinter65

Chinasea wrote: »

I worry about that poor pony in the storm

It’s the councils fault for not supplying her with stables etc as per her culture.

CinemaGuy45

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll never forget the fawning media coverage, sold us a sob story without bothering to dig a little deeper into her background. As a consequence, my trust in RTÉ was eroded completely.

You had trust in RTE?

PostWoke

Eric Cartman wrote: »

2 wheels good no wheels bad

Welfare 4 life good 40 hour work weeks bad! :pac:

Ha Long Bay

Looks like the fella got out of prison or from working hard on the oil rigs in the North sea.