Girls don't cycle! Guess whos fault it is?

Diemos

seamus wrote: »

Women: “the ones who do cycle say verbal harassment from boys and men is a top deterrent”

This thread: "No, that can't be it! Let's not listen to actual experience, let's just whine about an anti-man agenda"

Why is it so difficult for some people to accept it when women en masse tell you that they experience harrassment from men on an daily basis? Why do you automatically assume that they're lying and engaging in an attack on men?

"I don't see it, so it mustn't happen" - is that it? Is it just self-centeredness?

That's not the responses I have read. But I'm not playing for likes.

No one has denied that there are knuckle draggers out there who are creeps. But to say that men/boys are the reason a lower proportion of lady cyclists is cheap lazy journalism and calling it out for the tripe it is does not mean that you are denying the existence of these scumbags.

Seth Brundle

Seth Brundle wrote: »

There is no obligation on a cyclist to let a motorist pass.
If it is not safe for the motorist to pass then the cyclist is perfectly right for not letting the driver pass.
If you could not pass the cyclists, then it was not safe! They do not have to move out of your way!

didnt read a word of the post, did you?

lainey_d_123

Candie wrote: »

It would be nice if I could go for a run alone on the streets without cars slowing down so people can give their opinion me.

It would have been nice, as a schoolgirl, if grown adults hadn't made lewd comments about my school uniform on me. It would also have been nice as a young teenager, if a person hadn't put his hand out of his car window to slap me on the backside when I was on a bike at traffic lights. I never used the bike again, because I didn't know how to deal with those situations - because I was a kid and it didn't feel safe anymore to me. I was tiny too, when I was 13 I looked about ten. I didn't care about helmet hair.

These things put girls off doing things, because kids aren't really equipped to see off intimidating adults.

Very few people do these things, but they have a huge affect on how comfortable and safe girls feel.

Don't waste your time typing this. We all know what it's like to be a woman and feel unsafe jogging, cycling or even walking in public due to cat calls, leering and even verbal abuse, but the men on here refuse to accept that any of this happens and would prefer to call women liars and drama queens than to actually recognise that this happens, and far more frequently than they realise.

Must be nice to live in a world where you think things don't happen because you've never personally seen them happen.

Diemos

Diemos wrote: »

The difference between the 2 groups of extremists is that the motorised group can kill. So just because there are ar$es in every mode doesnot mean they should be equal.

really amnt interested in making this another kneejerk cyclist warrior thread tbh. but nobody said there was no difference, nobody said they were equal, it was literally a response to a poster acting befuddled that there could ever be such a thing as cyclists "taking the road" to extremes

golly its like ye are looking for an excuse to go off on one on behalf of cyclists, even the ones that make problems for everyone.

Edgware

The upside is that the more women take up cycling the more bicycle saddles bohunks can sniff on sunny days

Seth Brundle

Deleted User wrote: »

didnt read a word of the post, did you?

I read it all.
Your post expects the 5% to move out of the way.
I'm saying that they don't have to if they believe that it is safer!
I still don't see how they are taking it to an extreme to refer back to your earlier post!

Seth Brundle

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I read it all.
Your post expects the 5% to move out of the way.
I'm saying that they don't have to if they believe that it is safer!
I still don't see how they are taking it to an extreme to refer back to your earlier post!

alright seth we'll not drag the thread off tangent over it.

cnocbui

Seth Brundle wrote: »

"Take it to extremes" doing what exactly?
As someone who cycles frequently both alone and with a group, I don't recall seeing it taken to the extreme!

How about a wide road with a designated cycle lane, and three hardcore cyclists, riding three abreast so they could chat, with the third outer rider out in the car lane?

Then there is the bollocks of a group of riders on a narrow country road, with a lead car, a gaggle of 15 or so cyclists and another car behind driving with it's hazards on and a tailback of as many cars and trucks as there are cyclists? No one can pass that lot safely. I get that it's the deliberate intention of such groups that no car shall pass.

Greyfox

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Don't waste your time typing this. We all know what it's like to be a woman and feel unsafe jogging, cycling or even walking in public due to cat calls, leering and even verbal abuse, but the men on here refuse to accept that any of this happens and would prefer to call women liars and drama queens than to actually recognise that this happens, and far more frequently than they realise.

Men on here know these things happen, the problem is there's not much that can be done about the arseh*les that do this other then confronting the men that do it which usually doesnt end well. It makes more sense to help women to be able to deal with these situations rather than just blaming men

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lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Don't waste your time typing this. We all know what it's like to be a woman and feel unsafe jogging, cycling or even walking in public due to cat calls, leering and even verbal abuse, but the men on here refuse to accept that any of this happens and would prefer to call women liars and drama queens than to actually recognise that this happens, and far more frequently than they realise.

Must be nice to live in a world where you think things don't happen because you've never personally seen them happen.

Who's refusing that ANY of this happens? Why are you trying to drive a wedge between the sexes? What's your agenda?

Sardonicat

Greyfox wrote: »

Men on here know these things happen, the problem is there's not much that can be done about the arseh*les that do this other then confronting the men that do it which usually doesnt end well. It makes more sense to help women to be able to deal with these situations rather than just blaming men

Really, that's what makes sense to you?

Zorya

Many decades ago I cycled several miles to and from school for abòut 8 years. There were always gobshytes who would yell at ya, spit, tease, throw stuff or just generally holler idiocies after you. This is nothing new. One day a familiar knacker stuck his new fishing rod - thankfully unstrung - out through my spokes to try and throw me. The rod snapped in half. I can still remember the surge of joy and power I felt in that moment. Made me much more confident about yelling back at them ever after, and gradually they stopped. In fact I became quite specialised in making vulgar hand signs while traveling at top speed. Even as a shy girl.

I think girls and boys need to get tough by living life. You cannot educate gobshytes.

Thelonious Monk

Any women I suggested cycling to work usually just say it's too dangerous and something about make up or their hair and showering etc.
So there are many factors as to why they don't cycle in Ireland, not just the cat calling of blokes.

suicide_circus

Sardonicat wrote: »

Really, that's what makes sense to you?

lets get solution focused here? the pervs already know their behaviour is unacceptable. they only do it in a cowardly fashion when they won't be challenged. no amount of education will solve it. think of any number of socially unacceptable activities which go on; fly tipping, public drunkenness. What's the answer? Enforcement? There will never be the resources to be enough of a deterrent to wipe it out. In the meantime girls are losing out on a great source of exercise and transport. Lets go back to the point made earlier about the problem of girls participating in PE - where is that coming from?

Sardonicat

suicide_circus wrote: »

lets get solution focused here? the pervs already know their behaviour is unacceptable. they only do it in a cowardly fashion when they won't be challenged. no amount of education will solve it. think of any number of socially unacceptable activities which go on; fly tipping, public drunkenness. What's the answer? Enforcement? There will never be the resources to be enough of a deterrent to wipe it out. In the meantime girls are losing out on a great source of exercise and transport. Lets go back to the point made earlier about the problem of girls participating in PE - where is that coming from?

Prosecution might solve it.

suicide_circus

Sardonicat wrote: »

Prosecution might solve it.

sure would! but see my point about enforcement.

Sardonicat

suicide_circus wrote: »

sure would! but see my point about enforcement.

A gopro on a cycle helmet would achieve wonders. Then name and shame in the local press.

suicide_circus

Sardonicat wrote: »

A gopro on a cycle helmet would achieve wonders. Then name and shame in the local press.

yeah that would do it. might be seen as an unreasonable expense however!

I used to get yelled at all the time. Mostly by taxi drivers. I think it was down to my dubious cycling ability and their entitled attitude. The best solution I came to was wearing big headphones so I can't hear them.

beejee

Sardonicat wrote: »

A gopro on a cycle helmet would achieve wonders. Then name and shame in the local press.

"Hello, guard? I'd like to report an incident. Someone called me a poopy head"

"this is a very serious allegation! Do you have any evidence to back this up? "

"I have blurry video footage of a random person"

"Say no more! We'll crack this case wide open and then communicate with the national press on our progress. "

cnocbui

Sardonicat wrote: »

A gopro on a cycle helmet would achieve wonders. Then name and shame in the local press.

Front and rear cams are a must, I think. Would have helped immensely in this road rage against a woman cyclist: https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/shaken-to-the-core-cyclist-left-bruised-with-chipped-tooth-head-gash-after-she-was-run-off-the-road-20190919-p52swv.html

I don't think it will be long before women are wearing body-cams as a matter of course, if the tech evolves to making them disguisable as jewellery.

py2006

Deleted User wrote: »

The best solution I came to was wearing big headphones so I can't hear them.

Not clever while cycling

beejee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I used to get yelled at all the time. Mostly by taxi drivers. I think it was down to my dubious cycling ability and their entitled attitude. The best solution I came to was wearing big headphones so I can't hear them.

Just like me. I also removed my brakes so as I could get through red lights quicker (motivation), and then sellotaped my eyes closed so I couldn't see dangerous things and be worried.

Much better now for everyone

Sardonicat

suicide_circus wrote: »

yeah that would do it. might be seen as an unreasonable expense however!

You want to get girls/women cycling again. If enough old (and young) pervs were publicly prosecuted you wouldn't be long seeing a drop off in incidents.

Really, if a black lad was harassed on his way to school based on the colour of his skin would your response be"teach black kids more emotional resilience"?

But a girl must learn to live with gawking, commenting, arse slapping , hearing what some git would like to do to her, /wouldn't do to her, because of her body? Ah sure, that's OK cos men are more likely to be attacked.

beejee

Sardonicat wrote: »

You want to get girls/women cycling again. If enough old (and young) pervs were publicly prosecuted you wouldn't be long seeing a drop off in incidents.

Really, if a black lad was harassed on his way to school based on the colour of his skin would your response be"teach black kids more emotional resilience"?

But a girl must learn to live with gawking, commenting, arse slapping , hearing what some git would like to do to her, /wouldn't do to her, because of her body? Ah sure, that's OK cos men are more likely to be attacked.

"you want to see women cycling again"

"again"? What happened?

Sardonicat

beejee wrote: »

"Hello, guard? I'd like to report an incident. Someone called me a poopy head"

"this is a very serious allegation! Do you have any evidence to back this up? "

"I have blurry video footage of a random person"

"Say no more! We'll crack this case wide open and then communicate with the national press on our progress. "

Someone posted earlier that she was slapped on the arse whilst cycling when she was 13 years old. That's hardly calling someone a 'poopy head' and you know it. That's an assault.

beejee

Sardonicat wrote: »

Someone posted earlier that she was slapped in the arse whilst cycling when she was 13 years old. That's hardly calling someone a 'poopy head' and you know it. That's an assault.

I didn't read that, but I still see nothing coming of verbal stuff, cameras or not.

Silentcorner

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Don't waste your time typing this. We all know what it's like to be a woman and feel unsafe jogging, cycling or even walking in public due to cat calls, leering and even verbal abuse, but the men on here refuse to accept that any of this happens and would prefer to call women liars and drama queens than to actually recognise that this happens, and far more frequently than they realise.

Must be nice to live in a world where you think things don't happen because you've never personally seen them happen.

I don't doubt a woman when we hear this, and i completely understand how off putting it must be for any woman.

I jog myself so I am well aware of how teenage boys, and to a lesser extent girls, can throw verbal abuse and the odd object at a passer by, it doesn't bother most men because men are not physically intimidated (more often than not)...but I completely understand how a woman might feel bothered by it.

I also believe that women get more casual b#llockolgy from infantile men on a day to day basis most would never open their mouth to another man...infantile women don't bother men at all...

I don't cycle because it is too dangerous in this country, urban or rural...I understand from cyclists most days would involve some kind of incident or confrontation, and I can understand why a woman wouldn't put herself through that...I used to cycle to school back in the day without incident, but the roads and people have changed.

This country has piss poor cycling infrastructure, even if we had decent cycling lanes more males would cycle than females, even if we segregated the cycling tracks!

Women don't cycle in bigger numbers for a variety of reasons, uniform, hair, weather, incidents etc etc...the fact that boys cycle at all is a credit to them.

Society is currently in the throws of gender hysteria and men are being blamed for everything, white men in particular for some reason...so the reaction you see will reflect that and if you think about it, can you blame them, can you empathise even a little that young men are being hit with that nasty narrative day in day out in school and media, there is bound to be a lash back!

py2006

Seriously, are school girls really subjected to the level she suggests of rampant sexual harassment while they cycle????

To me it sounds like todays all to common demented feminist nonsense which worryingly brainwashes some women in to ridiculous notions of perpetual victimhood.

I am sure if she went into the classrooms and asked girls directly they would tell you they don't want their hair and makeup messed up and be all sweaty etc. We all know how self conscious teens are.

Sardonicat

beejee wrote: »

I didn't read that, but I still see nothing coming of verbal stuff, cameras or not.

You think the guards wouldn't take sexual comments aimed at children seriously? Do you think they'd ignore racial abuse if it was presented to them?