oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

WB Yokes

Boggles wrote: »

Transport is a luxury, fúck me.

There is some amount of ignorance seeping out of this thread.

Maybe because some members are just "new".

They done fine organising transport to get to Ireland didnt they? So f**k them.

jammiedodgers

WB Yokes wrote: »

Those ones probably have permission to work, i would hope so anyway otherwise how do you explain owning a car?

What happens when they do get permission to work, are bed and board still paid for ?

If they find employment they have to contribute some amount towards the accommodation I think

biko

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

The question id also ask is why not country's like Poland haven't taken any of them. Oh yea they can smell the bs a mile away. If ya want equality everyone has to tow the linr

Poland have taken a massive amount of Ukrainians

“This has been, as far as I'm aware, the single biggest migration of people from one European country to another in such a short space of time in recent history,” said Daniel Tilles, an assistant professor of history at the Pedagogical University of Kraków.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-two-faced-immigration-strategy-ukraine-migrants/

Boggles

Cordell wrote: »

Thank you for your condescending replies in which you attack me and hair split my arguments for accuracy while ignoring the actual point.

Telling lies isn't hair splitting. It's just a lie.

WB Yokes wrote: »

They done fine organising transport to get to Ireland didnt they? So f**k them.

#edgelord

WB Yokes

Boggles wrote: »

Telling lies isn't hair splitting. It's just a lie.



#edgelord

Yeah whatever, at least im not allowing myself to be taken for a fool like you.

Cribbing about transport for refugees that transported themselves thousands and thousands of miles to get here.

Wise up.

Cordell

Boggles wrote: »

Telling lies isn't hair splitting. It's just a lie.

Telling lies implies intent which is not the case, I'm not some sort of influencer with an agenda.
The fact is that they won't work in any significant numbers and they won't spend any meaningful amount in the town, you can call me a liar but it won't change the truth.

Also, learn something here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_objections

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

Along with every other expenditure that comes with life. I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest you couldn’t budget your life (clothing, transport, hygiene, phone, etc) for anywhere near €156 a month.

My meals, medical, dental etc isn’t free.

Why would someone who is brand new to the country need a transport budget??

I don’t get out of course payments for clothes etc.

“You may be entitled to assistance towards clothing when you arrive and to other exceptional needs from time to time” - https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html#startcontent

markodaly

alastair wrote: »

There is no such provision, unless there’s evidence that the applicant was already being processed in another EU state. Which would mean that their fingerprints or other data were in that state’s system. So no - they’re legally allowed transfer some applicant’s back to another country that had started their asylum process, but that’s a fraction of applicants. Once again - there is no obligation on any asylum seeker to make their claim in any first safe country.

Guess the BBC is wrong.

Under an EU rule known as the Dublin regulation, refugees are required to claim asylum in the member state in which they first arrive.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24583286

Guess this NGO is wrong.

The purpose of the regulation is to determine which country is responsible for processing an asylum seeker’s application. Usually, this is the first EU member state that the migrants set their foot on. The regulation also strives to ensure that each application gets a fair examination in one country of the European Union.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/1857/the-dublin-regulation-explained

Or maybe Alastair is wrong.

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

250 x €40 is 10 grand a week.

Spent in a small local community.

Wouldn't call that nothing.

The Western Union would do a roaring trade I’d say.

Galwayguy35

alastair wrote: »

Transport and a phone are not luxuries. They are necessities. Who mentioned new clothes every month? I guess African women don’t need sanitary products then, along with deodorant? 🙄🤡

They don't have to buy sanitary products, they are provided for them and if for some reason they are not already provided they can request them.

JohnMc1

TheTheory wrote: »

*UPDATE*

Planned Direct Provision centre in Oughterard Village will go ahead with residents due to arrive in two weeks time.
In total, 320 asylum seekers will be housed in The Connemara Gateway Hotel.

Link to interview to come......

I'm not surprised. This Govt will do whatever it wants. And sadly the next one will be just as bad.

Europe is a great lesson on why America has its Second Amendment and why the Founding Fathers made it impossible to remove and why many fight to protect it.

Varadkar and Co. wouldn't be in this "You're getting these migrants. **** You if you don't like it" if he had an armed populace to deal with. Tyrants always love an unarmed populace.

topper75

Things aren't stacked in Ireland's favour here.

You have huge expected population growth in the neighbouring continent of Africa over the next 3 decades, a continent which has a miserable track record on political and economic stability despite being blessed with greater natural resources (EU has no meaningful oil resources, and relatively quite limited mineral resources).

Though the free movement area in which we participate is soon to lose one net contributor nation in the NW, it will gain a few more net receiver Balkan ones over the next decade.

I don't have a crystal ball but, looking at these trajectories, I expect the native Irish contingent of the people who live in the towns and cities of Ireland will drop quite forcefully over the medium to long term.

Never in the human history of Ireland has there been such mass movement, possibly with the exception of the Ulster plantation.

cameramonkey

topper75 wrote: »

Things aren't stacked in Ireland's favour here.

You have huge expected population growth in the neighbouring continent of Africa over the next 3 decades, a continent which has a miserable track record on political and economic stability despite being blessed with greater natural resources (EU has no meaningful oil resources, and relatively quite limited mineral resources).

Though the free movement area in which we participate is soon to lose one net contributor nation in the NW, it will gain a few more net receiver Balkan ones over the next decade.

I don't have a crystal ball but, looking at these trajectories, I expect the native Irish contingent of the people who live in the towns and cities of Ireland will drop quite forcefully over the medium to long term.

Never in the human history of Ireland has there been such mass movement, possibly with the exception of the Ulster plantation.

What about the famine?

ToBeFrank123

The ideal place to put asylum seekers is in large urban areas with really good public transport such as LUAS or regular buses.

When you do a quick check it turns out there is just a single Direct Provision Centre in Dublin.

They are taking the p*ss at this stage.

Dublin politicians and media dumping the problem elsewhere and then calling everyone racist who stands up to them.

I think the Oughterard protests are about more than just migrants. Its about ordinary people standing up for themselves. And long may it continue.

WB Yokes

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The ideal place to put asylum seekers is in large urban areas with really good public transport such as LUAS or regular buses.

When you do a quick check it turns out there is just a single Direct Provision Centre in Dublin.

They are taking the p*ss at this stage.

Dublin politicians and media dumping the problem elsewhere and then calling everyone racist who stands up to them.

I think the Oughterard protests are about more than just migrants. Its about ordinary people standing up for themselves. And long may it continue.

Parts of Dublin are already changed beyond recognition, its less people coming from war torn kips we need. Not more.

Snow Garden

Any chance we can change the thread title to something more meaningful?
"oughterard people" is a bit weird.

Some candidates...

Objections to Direct Provisioning Centre in Oughterard

or

Oughterard people are nice

or

Oughterard people are nasty

or

Oughterard is racist

vriesmays

topper75 wrote: »

Never in the human history of Ireland has there been such mass movement, possibly with the exception of the Ulster plantation.

At least they were white and Christian.

handlemaster

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The ideal place to put asylum seekers is in large urban areas with really good public transport such as LUAS or regular buses.

When you do a quick check it turns out there is just a single Direct Provision Centre in Dublin.

They are taking the p*ss at this stage.

Dublin politicians and media dumping the problem elsewhere and then calling everyone racist who stands up to them.

I think the Oughterard protests are about more than just migrants. Its about ordinary people standing up for themselves. And long may it continue.

Why put people who will for a while not be able to work in Dublin which has already a croic shortage of housing.Lots of towns around the country are dead with lors of empty properties like this town. At least the tax payers money will be going into a town that needs a boost. No shop keeper in this town will be complaining

ToBeFrank123

handlemaster wrote: »

Why put people who will for a while not be able to work in Dublin which has already a croic shortage of housing.Lots of towns around the country are dead with lors of empty properties like this town. At least the tax payers money will be going into a town that needs a boost. No shop keeper in this town will be complaining

Nothing to stop them building new DPCs in Dublin on publicly owned land. Nothing at all.

Instead of sending them off to the middle of Connemara.

Boggles

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

When you do a quick check it turns out there is just a single Direct Provision Centre in Dublin.

What do you think the difference is between commandeering a closed hotel in the west of Ireland to doing the same in Dublin or building one?

jmayo

Boggles wrote: »

What do you think the difference is between commandeering a closed hotel in the west of Ireland to doing the same in Dublin or building one?

Access to facilities to relive the monotony and boredom perhaps ?
Access to educational establishments that can teach new skills and English language ?
Access to public transport ?
Access to future employment opportunities ?

And going out on a limb here ...
Guaranteed to being a fan of future All Ireland winners.

topper75

cameramonkey wrote: »

What about the famine?

Was only referring to inbound. But if both directions are weighed - then yes you are right - famine is largest movement of people in the history of the island.

vriesmays wrote: »

At least they were white and Christian.

These things don't matter much to me to be honest.

It is about numbers and lack of consultation - the headache that a mass influx brings. It is a straight up recipe for trouble and strife. One that brings limited to negligible gains - but yet is actively pursued by the political class in 2019. People need to be a little braver. Grealish's only mistake was his reference to religious affiliation. In all other respects he was right. We are being taken for mugs. Varadkar called for withdrawal - but tellingly did not refute or make any effort to. A little slimy I thought.

Boggles

jmayo wrote: »

Access to facilities to relive the monotony and boredom perhaps ?
Access to educational establishments that can teach new skills and English language ?
Access to public transport ?
Access to future employment opportunities ?

I meant monetary wise.

Galway City is 16 miles away, they have all that.

There is 8 bus journeys daily to the city, ironically the bus stop is located outside the proposed hotel.

The Oort Cloud

Another TD has just talked about the issue of looking after our own people first and then when that is all done, then we can look at helping immigrants. Not that economic migrants should get any help, but true refugees should get help over illegal migrants flooding this island. This TD is also fully correct in what he said in my opinion, yet he is told that what he is saying is very dangerous, how is saying that looking after your own citizens first is a very dangerous thing to say? Are native Irish citizens so bad of a people that we cannot even say that they should be helped firstly in their own native land?.

Brendan Howlin is not living in the real world, and the disdain for native Irish people from this government is treasonous.

IRISH people are “hungry in the street” and should be prioritised over immigrants, an Independent TD has claimed.

Michael Collins made the remark and argued Ireland is “losing our culture” as he defended another Independent TD Noel Grealish who was heavily criticised after claiming last week that African migrants “sponge off the system”.

Labour leader Brendan Howlin branded the comments by both TDs as “very dangerous”.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/td-claims-irish-people-who-are-hungry-in-the-streets-should-be-prioritised-over-immigrants-38506835.html

Mr. teddywinkles

WB Yokes wrote: »

Parts of Dublin are already changed beyond recognition, its less people coming from war torn kips we need. Not more.

Worn torn bahhaaaabahh

Doblin

A quick Google tells me that there are two bus companies serving the town (BE & Citylink) with a total of 14 buses per day to & from Galway city centre. That's hardly "little to No public transport" as some people claim

Boggles

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Another TD has just talked about the issue of looking after our own people first and then when that is all done, then we can look at helping immigrants. Not that economic migrants should get any help, but true refugees should get help over illegal migrants flooding this island. This TD is also fully correct in what he said in my opinion, yet he is told that what he is saying is dangerous, how is saying that looking after your own citizens first is a dangerous thing to say? Are native Irish citizens so bad of a people that we cannot even say that they should be helped firstly in their own native land?.

Brendan Howlin is not living in the real world, and the disdain for native Irish people from this government is treasonous.




https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/td-claims-irish-people-who-are-hungry-in-the-streets-should-be-prioritised-over-immigrants-38506835.html

A blanket statement like All X are Y is quite sad, untrue and coming from a "respectable" politician quite dangerous. Not only is it probably racist throw in the religious angle and it's also intolerant.

Or do you think arson attempts on these types of premises could not not be potentially dangerous?

Has the cretin surfaced from underground yet?

The Oort Cloud

Boggles wrote: »

A blanket statement like All X are Y is quite sad, untrue and coming from a "respectable" politician quite dangerous. Not only is it probably racist throw in the religious angle and it's also intolerant.

Or do you think arson attempts on these types of premises could not not be potentially dangerous?

Has the cretin surfaced from underground yet?

Your post is utter nonsense to be honest. What has arson got to do with my comment or the quote?. And Has the cretin surfaced from underground yet? What are you talking about?.



Some people.

Boggles

Doblin wrote: »

A quick Google tells me that there are two bus companies serving the town (BE & Citylink) with a total of 14 buses per day to & from Galway city centre. That's hardly "little to No public transport" as some people claim

And 53 General Practitioners in a 30 km radius. Numerous hospitals and schools not that far away.

The "we just don't have the services" isn't really making sense when it get's a rub of the microscope.

WB Yokes

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Another TD has just talked about the issue of looking after our own people first and then when that is all done, then we can look at helping immigrants. Not that economic migrants should get any help, but true refugees should get help over illegal migrants flooding this island. This TD is also fully correct in what he said in my opinion, yet he is told that what he is saying is very dangerous, how is saying that looking after your own citizens first is a very dangerous thing to say? Are native Irish citizens so bad of a people that we cannot even say that they should be helped firstly in their own native land?.

Brendan Howlin is not living in the real world, and the disdain for native Irish people from this government is treasonous.




https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/td-claims-irish-people-who-are-hungry-in-the-streets-should-be-prioritised-over-immigrants-38506835.html

Expect plenty more politicians to come out of the woodwork with similar comments. It was only a matter of time before there was a push back against this nonsense.