oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

Doblin

The people from oughterard who are complaining about getting a direct provision center are coming across very bad, Their excuses on prime time last night were very incoherent. I can understand people in remote parts of Donegal because that's the middle of nowhere but oughterard is like 20 minutes from Galway city, there are lots of busses during the day to to the city. What's their problem like?

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IK09

Not from Oughterard myself, but live close by and know it well.

Didnt see PrimeTime.

Oughterard is a tourist spot. The place is always crawling in tourists, however, the tourists are typically only passing through because of inadequate Hotels. There has been a Hotel that has been shutdown since the crash as a result of the usual Banking/Lending/NAMA scenario.

Oughterard is a lovely Town and the people there are nice. I can understand why they are upset.

Apiarist

Doblin wrote: »

...What's their problem like?

Even though I am a liberal leftie myself, I would support the town's residents on this. Basically what I would object to is putting 250 people into a small town, because these people are forbidden to work, have very little money and are basically tied to the place. Even if they were Buddist monks and having the patience of saints, the boredom of having nothing to do in a small town will drive some people mad.

SEPT 23 1989

I thought they spoke very well unlike the blustering politician

granturismo

Doblin wrote: »

.. What's their problem like?

The same as most people in this country NIMBY.

IK09

Anyone have a link to it? Havent seen it.

Badly Drunk Boy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought they spoke very well unlike the blustering politician

I didn't see it but they probably had funny accents that some Doblin people couldn't understand.

keano_afc

The two residents came across far better than the Fine Gaeler who was all over the place.

The residents need to be listened to. A small country town is no place for hundreds of migrants.

saintsaltynuts

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I didn't see it but they probably had funny accents that some Doblin people couldn't understand.

Where is Doblin? In Ireland?

Plumbthedepths

A village with a population of circa 1300, a suggestion to place 250 asylum amongst the community? Piss poor idea tbh.

gctest50

keano_afc wrote: »

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The residents need to be listened to. A small country town is no place for hundreds of migrants.

But the place is always crawling with tourists

They'll just be long stay tourists

Achebe

It's a shame they can't welcome them like the good people of Ballaghaderreen.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Do we have any case studies? I’m sure there are small towns in Ireland already that have direct provision accommodation. How have they fared?

super_furry

She came from Laois she had a thirst for porter,
She was wrecked but I liked her daughter,
That's why I,
Passed her by.
She told me that her Dad a daycent farm,
I said "In that case I'll turn on the charm."
She said "Fine."
And in thirty seconds time she said,

I want to live like Oughterard people,
I want to do whatever Oughterard people do,
I want to sleep with Oughterard people,
I want to sleep with Oughterard people,
Like you.

TeaBagMania

keano_afc wrote: »

A small country town is no place for hundreds of migrants.

Ireland as a country is no place for hundreds of migrants, take a ride over to Balbriggan and see how well that community is faring

Mad_maxx

granturismo wrote: »

Doblin wrote: »

.. What's their problem like?

The same as most people in this country NIMBY.

Maybe they are wondering who asked them if they wanted a group of people from a very different culture forced upon them?

tonycascarino

Nobody wants fake refugees/migrants leaving near them, what a surprise. Irish people never asked for these chancers to come here. If they want to put these direct provision centres somewhere well then why don't they put them in Foxrock or Killiney instead.

Mad_maxx

The in sync condemnation of noel grealish is predictable, it's a repeat of the Peter casey episode, stray from the aprooved line about a progressive liberal sacred cow and you will be attacked.

BDI

Direct provision should have a pretend job. Not interfering with the market. Completely fake job.

The asylum seekers should have to work in it for a few months. If they can be employed and prove they can contribute to society they should be given a work permit if they wont and are able bodied and of good mind they should be sent packing.

ToBeFrank123

No consultation with locals.
No consultation with the migrants.
No preplanning.
No assessment if the locality can cope.
No assessment of medical and school capacity.

Basically dumping 250 people on a community with little or no help.

And then calling them racist if they don't comply.

What a mess.

biko

The social democratic take on things
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=895081304203213&id=100011040543342

As I have said earlier, social democrats will walk all over the locals to get what they want.
In other places it's not uncommon for them to run the centres and profit directly from their own politics.

begsbyOnaTrain

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, The Guardian has told me to hate and despise the movement of rich people in significant numbers to an area. I spit on gentrification and support the rights of locals.

But I'm also told to love and embrace the movement of large numbers of people from different countries (as long as they're not rich) because local culture is stale and diversity is the best thing in the world. Locals can get stuffed.

I just dunno.

jetfiremuck

It's the sneaky way they tried to slip one over on the residents.....I saw what they did there.

keano_afc

gctest50 wrote: »

But the place is always crawling with tourists

They'll just be long stay tourists

LOL. A good long rest.

begsbyOnaTrain

biko wrote: »

The social democratic take on things
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=895081304203213&id=100011040543342

Thanks. What would I do without somebody posting random facebook links here. Discussion fora are in the past. Maybe somebody will counter with a killer twitter link?

BDI

biko wrote: »

The social democratic take on things
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=895081304203213&id=100011040543342

As I have said earlier, social democrats will walk all over the locals to get what they want.

Jesus is it not common knowledge that them signs were invented years later and never actually were on display at the time?

enricoh

What will 250 migrants add to the town?

Answer - absolutely nothing, hotel owner becomes a millionaire n thats about it. Thanks but no thanks leo.

tonycascarino

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The in sync condemnation of noel grealish is predictable, it's a repeat of the Peter casey episode, stray from the aprooved line about a progressive liberal sacred cow and you will be attacked.

Noel Grealish is 100% correct in what he said in that the vast majority of ''refugees'' in this country are only economic migrants.

The liberal bleeding hearts will destroy this country if given half a chance but will be nowhere to be seen or heard when all the problems arise.

BDI

enricoh wrote: »

What will 250 migrants add to the town?

Answer - absolutely nothing, hotel owner becomes a millionaire n thats about it. Thanks but no thanks leo.

Local politician is just doing it out of the goodness of his heart also.

Wibbs

tonycascarino wrote: »

Noel Grealish is 100% correct in what he said in that the vast majority of ''refugees'' in this country are only economic migrants.

The liberal bleeding hearts will destroy this country if given half a chance but will be nowhere to be seen or heard when all the problems arise.

The other thread hereabouts about TV intros had one on 70's documentary The World at War about the second world war. I had an oul look again at a couple of episodes that evening and one on the fall of France after Germany invaded mentioned the terrible state of the long lines of civillian refugees fleeing the conflict. And you know what stands out, and stands out with any such genuine refugee flood? the vast majority of refugees were women and children and old people. Vanishingly few young men. Compare and contrast with the current so called chancers "refugee crisis". The ratio is completely reversed. Nearly all young men. Hmmmm. Or as I like to call it; utter bollocks.

Families, women and kids, the elderly? No problem with those folks coming here as genuine refugees from actual warzones. Young men coming across the Mediterranean in their hundreds of thousands? Bugger off, go home.

Hulk Hands

Could you imagine currently having your house for sale in Oughterard, looking to move elsewhere and then this news arises. 2 weeks ago it was a nice town that could be treated as a base for commuting to Galway. Who the hell would buy now in a place where 1/5th of the population are new migrants?

Obviously the migrants don't have it easy either, but ffs put them in a place big enough to handle them and not completely ruin the fabric of the town.

EmmetSpiceland

Wibbs wrote: »

The other thread hereabouts about TV intros had one on 70's documentary The World at War about the second world war. I had an oul look again at a couple of episodes that evening and one on the fall of France after Germany invaded mentioned the terrible state of the long lines of civillian refugees fleeing the conflict. And you know what stands out, and stands out with any such genuine refugee flood? the vast majority of refugees were women and children and old people. Vanishingly few young men. Compare and contrast with the current so called chancers "refugee crisis". The ratio is completely reversed. Nearly all young men. Hmmmm. Or as I like to call it; utter bollocks.

Families, women and kids, the elderly? No problem with those folks coming here as genuine refugees from actual warzones. Young men coming across the Mediterranean in their hundreds of thousands? Bugger off, go home.

To be fair, W. It’s not always an “easy route” for these people. The men go first to see if it’s safe and then send for the family.

What’s the quote, ‘You don’t put a child in a boat unless the water is safer than the land’? Something like that.

There will always be “chancers” and “scammers” but they should be easily weeded out by the system. The fact they’re not is, mostly, down to the amount of money being made by keeping these people within the system.

As for the real refugees, they wouldn’t still be coming here to be locked up in substandard accommodation and treated like prisoners if it wasn’t better than where they came from.

topper75

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Do we have any case studies? I’m sure there are small towns in Ireland already that have direct provision accommodation. How have they fared?

Depends who's answering. Agendas fly around this thing like bullets. The only winners ultimately from my view are the FG pals who get the contracts for their failed hostelry and the FG who have an eye on higher profile jobs outside of Ireland.

gctest50 wrote: »

Have to do something to counteract all the inbreeding

Yeah what is it with South Dublin posh areas not looking outside their own? We need to to introduce Blaithnead to some nice Afghani lad and Fiachra would have lovely kids with that Mali lass. Let's not have Foxrock cut off from the world.

Wibbs

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

As for the real refugees, they wouldn’t still be coming here to be locked up in substandard accommodation and treated like prisoners if it wasn’t better than where they came from.

I call shenanigans on that E. And it is better than were they come from, once they get into the system and out the other end of it. Three square meals and roof over their heads and then out into a welfare system that's one of the most generous in the world and a culture of suckers and handwringers that accommodate them and ignore the local's concerns and have the brass neck to accuse them of being intolerant or racist.

ToBeFrank123

I think the people of Ireland have spoken and 250 new people in a small town just isn't a good idea.

The government need to come up with a scheme the people agree with, not force something on them.

My own view is each town should be asked what they think they can cope with.

topper75

biko wrote: »

The social democratic take on things
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=895081304203213&id=100011040543342

As I have said earlier, social democrats will walk all over the locals to get what they want.
In other places it's not uncommon for them to run the centres and profit directly from their own politics.

What a weak case to make by that guy. The same old disingenuous analogy of Irish emigrating to America. The people represented by the statues in Sligo were processed legally at Ellis island. They didn't sneak in. They were not given any free lodgings or food, of any kind. Their religious and cultural pursuits were not facilitated by Uncle Sam but self-funded.

That migration is clearly NOT on the same basis as the movement of migrants into Ireland in 2019 who abuse the asylum system with bogus claims.

There is one odd parallel however - moneymaking by self-serving natives. Many Americans were happy to take in the Irish to exploit their labour in factories and farms; here we have failed hostelry owners, unscrupulous elements of the legal fraternity who launch appeal after appeal with taxpayers' money, of course careerist politicians and quango fund recipients.

That train is a hard one to stop.

the dark phantom

TeaBagMania wrote: »

Ireland as a country is no place for hundreds of migrants, take a ride over to Balbriggan and see how well that community is faring

Ireland is the perfect place for thousands of immigrants, The ignorance of most of its natives needs to be breed out anyway, An empty island that could provide sustenance for millions more people.

keano_afc

The usual witch hunt against the person who steps above the parapet and says what everyone is thinking is as predictable as it is pathetic. Leftist "journalists" lining up to have a pop at history's greatest racist, Noel Grealish.

ToBeFrank123

the dark phantom wrote: »

Ireland is the perfect place for thousands of immigrants, The ignorance of most of its natives needs to be breed out anyway, An empty island that could provide sustenance for millions more people.

Wow, with that attitude, I'm sure you will be offering your spare room as accommodation??

Dr. Bre

Send them to ballygobackwards

WB Yokes

the dark phantom wrote: »

Ireland is the perfect place for thousands of immigrants, The ignorance of most of its natives needs to be breed out anyway, An empty island that could provide sustenance for millions more people.

No thanks.

EmmetSpiceland

Wibbs wrote: »

I call shenanigans on that E. And it is better than were they come from, once they get into the system and out the other end of it. Three square meals and roof over their heads and then out into a welfare system that's one of the most generous in the world and a culture of suckers and handwringers that accommodate them and ignore the local's concerns and have the brass neck to accuse them of being intolerant or racist.

It’s a terrible system, from what I’ve seem anyway. It’s akin to a prison. And considering you can be there for the guts of a decade I’d have to think the majority of them in there consider it better than where they’ve been. The “unaccompanied” minors in the hostels with adults

You’d have to wonder why we don’t have a “system” that takes 6 months to process and allows for appeal after appeal after appeal. No real drive to educate on the country or mandatory English classes.

Direct Provision is big business so it’s not going to change anytime soon. Local concerns will be taken onboard and, summarily, ignored. Putting a few hundred refugees into a town with about a thousand people is a terrible idea. “Culture shock” for the newbies and for the natives. There’ll be a massive drain on local amenities, don’t think the DP centre will have its own doctor or dentist either.

Will any of that matter? Probably not while there’s money to be made but I’d be surprised if this one actually goes through. Even one of those “anti-racism” groups thought it was a terrible location for a centre of that size.

The racism card that gets “played” against anyone who objects to these things plays right into the hands of those making the money off them.

marklazarcovic

The amount of fake 'teenage' boys being placed in classrooms of actual 13/14 yr old boys n girls in the uk is cause for alarm too, grown men in with kids , pretending to be kids,and people so afraid of the racist card are so reluctant to challenge it.


Frightening.

Apiarist

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It’s a terrible system...
You’d have to wonder why we don’t have a “system” that takes 6 months to process and allows for appeal after appeal after appeal...

Exactly. If the system was reasonable, a potential refugee would have been accessed in few weeks and either sent back or given the status allowing him or her to work and to integrate into the society. Then there would be no need to have "centres" where people live with little rights for years.

Arghus

What saddens me the most about things like this is that everything becomes so emotive and polarised right from the beginning.

You're either a racist or a bleeding heart hard-leftie, depending on what you say and there's no space for any nuance or attempt to find some common ground. The voices start shouting from both sides of the debate and everyone in the middle feels brow beaten and just lets them to it. The rhetoric in here is already fairly hot and I'm surprised to see it coming from some posters who usually, I would think, pride themselves on their objectivity and critical thinking.

I'm from about ten miles down the road from Oughterard, I'd know the town quite well. There's loads about the whole issue that I'd have numerous concerns about, but there is also a lot of scaremongering and hysteria going on, when, right now, what's actually known for certain is limited enough.

c.p.w.g.w

Doblin wrote: »

The people from oughterard who are complaining about getting a direct provision center are coming across very bad, Their excuses on prime time last night were very incoherent. I can understand people in remote parts of Donegal because that's the middle of nowhere but oughterard is like 20 minutes from Galway city, there are lots of busses during the day to to the city. What's their problem like?

Population of the village is 1300 people, so adding 200 to that is a big deal. Apparently only 1 Dr in the village and full schools as it is

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

topper75 wrote: »

Depends who's answering. Agendas fly around this thing like bullets. The only winners ultimately from my view are the FG pals who get the contracts for their failed hostelry and the FG who have an eye on higher profile jobs outside of Ireland.



Yeah what is it with South Dublin posh areas not looking outside their own? We need to to introduce Blaithnead to some nice Afghani lad and Fiachra would have lovely kids with that Mali lass. Let's not have Foxrock cut off from the world.

Well, let’s listen to a variety of views then. Ask people from these towns how it has affected them or if it has at all.

topper75

the dark phantom wrote: »

Ireland is the perfect place for thousands of immigrants, The ignorance of most of its natives needs to be breed out anyway, An empty island that could provide sustenance for millions more people.

Define sustenance. Do the migrants feed off rushes or gorse flowers? More transfers from workers to non-workers perhaps? Not even Karl Marx proposed that kind of madness.

Why is Ireland perfect? Do we have a shortage of personnel to clean windscreens at traffic lights? Is there a gap in the cheap sunglasses market on O'Connell bridge?

What ignorance needs to bred out? What way does interbreeding with others from far away who bring nothing with them enlighten us? Stage is yours if you care to respond...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Arghus wrote: »

What saddens me the most about things like this is that everything becomes so emotive and polarised right from the beginning.

You're either a racist or a bleeding heart hard-leftie, depending on what you say and there's no space for any nuance or attempt to find some common ground. The voices start shouting from both sides of the debate and everyone in the middle feels brow beaten and just lets them to it. The rhetoric in here is already fairly hot and I'm surprised to see it coming from some posters who usually, I would think, pride themselves on their objectivity and critical thinking.

I'm from about ten miles down the road from Oughterard, I'd know the town quite well. There's loads about the whole issue that I'd have numerous concerns about, but there is also a lot of scaremongering and hysteria going on, when, right now, what's actually known for certain is limited enough.

+1

It’s hard to have any kind of measured discussion on the topic.

The subject is something I’m interested in as somebody who grew up in an unusually diverse Irish town. But how it’s discussed is absolutely headwrecking and unenlightening.

waffleman

Direct provision is a cash cow for the companies that provide it. If the government dont wise up on this more hotels will be burnt like the towns of Rooskey and Moville. Local residents are being completely ignored.

Irish Guitarist

The 'refugees' in Ballaghaderreen were complaining a couple of years ago about how it was like they were being punished because they had nothing to do and their food was bland. These people supposedly fled a horrific war zone where they feared for their lives and their idea of being punished is being slightly bored and a lack of gourmet food. Fucking chancers.