Things the PC brigade don't want to hear or admit

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OMM 0000 wrote: »

Did any of you see the recent study by Cornell University:

Racial Bias in Hate Speech and Abusive Language Detection Datasets

In other words:

Which racial group is the most racist?

The result:

Black people are substantially more racist than white people.

Why is no one on the left talking about this?

No offence but people aren't talking about it because your interpretation is coming from your own biases. The study isn't "which group is the most racist".

It's detailing how automated abusive language detection systems show discrepancies dependent on what sort of English it's reading, standard American or African American.

The results show the complete opposite of what you're saying. The system was more biased against African American dialect.

The results show evidence of systematic racial bias in all datasets, as classifiers trained on them tend to predict that tweets written in African-American English are abusive at substantially higher rates.

s7ryf3925pivug

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Like every US president, and any prominent politician globally, not everything he did was right, and in some cases, just very bad. But people seem to forget that for most of his reign was hamstring by the Republicans who ran both houses and blocked him at every turn simply because he was a Democrat. Obama often spoke out against mass shootings, but couldn't do anything about it. Just look at the difficulties he ran into trying to introduce basic healthcare, something people in Ireland view as a basic human right

I liked Obama's image as a decent, slightly revolutionary figure - but seeing his display in Flint was the point at which I decided he was just a puppet if you scratch the surface.

The most progressive American president since Carter might have been George H W Bush, given his success with abolishing CFCs. Which is bizarre when considered in the context of today's politics.

Bonniedog

The only "revolutionary" aspect of Obama was that he was black. His election was therefore a significant landmark for black Americans considering their past.

I don't think he could be said to have improved their position. If anything he solidified the hold which corrupt Democratic city administrations have, and he was basically the Clinton's successor. and a nastier bunch of characters you really could not meet in a long walk.

Illgetmycoat

Is the answer that they have little willys ?

joe40

I think the idea of so called a "PC brigade" is just an absolute load of nonsense.
There has been a change in what is considered socially acceptable and in the vast number of cases the changes have been positive.
Imagine a comedian like Jim Davidson with his anti black, anti Irish, anti Asian jokes I'm glad he is not mainstream any more.
I'm glad magazines like FHM aren't widely displayed in our shops but at the same time consenting adults can view whatever they want online.
Not a new Puritanism, just choice for everyone.

What exactly do people feel they can't say anymore, or what are the views they can't express anymore. You can say what you want. Plenty of outlets, you have that freedom.
Others also have the freedom to disagree.

Demonique

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's convenient for settled people to blame Travellers entirely for the tension between both communities but we need to wake up to the fact that settled people are discriminatory and predujiced towards Travellers from a very early age. How many of us have heard stories about Traveller children being bullied in primary school for being Travellers, for example? It takes two to tango.

Whereas I was the one who was bullied by Traveller children

joe40

Demonique wrote: »

Whereas I was the one who was bullied by Traveller children

I work in a secondary school, no one bullies the travellers..

99problems1

joe40 wrote: »

I think the idea of so called a "PC brigade" is just an absolute load of nonsense.
There has been a change in what is considered socially acceptable and in the vast number of cases the changes have been positive.
Imagine a comedian like Jim Davidson with his anti black, anti Irish, anti Asian jokes I'm glad he is not mainstream any more.
I'm glad magazines like FHM aren't widely displayed in our shops but at the same time consenting adults can view whatever they want online.
Not a new Puritanism, just choice for everyone.

What exactly do people feel they can't say anymore, or what are the views they can't express anymore. You can say what you want. Plenty of outlets, you have that freedom.
Others also have the freedom to disagree.

Pretty much can't hug a woman goodbye or touch one on the shoulder at work.

joe40

99problems1 wrote: »

Pretty much can't hug a woman goodbye or touch one on the shoulder at work.

Yes you can, if you're not creepy about it and making someone uncomfortable. It is really easy enough to read those situations

Mad_maxx

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

She's a professional scrounger, stop painting her as entitled to admiration, face your guns on where they should be, not on the middle Ireland tax payer supporting this parasite, she signified the grotesque entitlement culture so prevelent on this country

The only thing equally grotesque is listening to the faux D4 socialists ( that includes you) lecturing middle Ireland about how Mrs cash is a victim who needs more of their tax euros

I’m not painting Ms. Cash as anything. It was the way she was portrayed here on Boards is what I was commenting on, using her as an example of the way attitudes towards undesirables hasn’t actually changed, and where once people had an excuse for it, now they have none.

Btw if you want to know what a faux socialist looks like, you won’t do much better than Peter Casey, the millionaire businessman who in order to further his own political ambitions, tapped into the resentment and begrudery felt among some people in Irish society towards people they view as social undesirables. It’s the very definition of political correctness!

Casey incurred the wrath of the Liberal media for committing the sin of asking hard questions about a sacred cow of the PC Left

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

Yes you can, if you're not creepy about it and making someone uncomfortable. It is really easy enough to read those situations

"If you're not creepy about it"...spoken like the true foot soldier of the "Progressives"...when the genders mix in a pressurized, competitive, dynamic work environment lines become much more blurred...

For instance, if someone cries in work, which happens all the time, whose fault is it?

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

I think the idea of so called a "PC brigade" is just an absolute load of nonsense.
There has been a change in what is considered socially acceptable and in the vast number of cases the changes have been positive.
Imagine a comedian like Jim Davidson with his anti black, anti Irish, anti Asian jokes I'm glad he is not mainstream any more.
I'm glad magazines like FHM aren't widely displayed in our shops but at the same time consenting adults can view whatever they want online.
Not a new Puritanism, just choice for everyone.

What exactly do people feel they can't say anymore, or what are the views they can't express anymore. You can say what you want. Plenty of outlets, you have that freedom.
Others also have the freedom to disagree.

Political correctness has damaged comedy....established liberal comedians have been complaining about it for some time now!

Politically, no one can touch about a half dozen very serious issues our society faces which impact all of us.

We live in a very regressive era, this isn't healthy, it turns out the church weren't the only one's capable of sanctimonious bo##ockology...this isn't just a PC culture, this is an outrage culture!

One eyed Jack

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Casey incurred the wrath of the Liberal media for committing the sin of asking hard questions about a sacred cow of the PC Left

Ahh Max he didn’t for jesus sake :pac:

It was the media who promoted his views because they knew it would stoke up tension and bitterness and resentment against travellers/homeless/unmarried mothers, etc. And they were right, it worked, and Ms. Cash was less of a sacred cow, and more of a... cash cow so to speak, for the media.

Casey didn’t ask any hard questions btw, he only pointed fingers.

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

"If you're not creepy about it"...spoken like the true foot soldier of the "Progressives"...when the genders mix in a pressurized, competitive, dynamic work environment lines become much more blurred...

For instance, if someone cries in work, which happens all the time, whose fault is it?

Depends on the situation, maybe no one's fault. Sometimes at retirement functions, I would hug colleagues male and female. Why is no one complaining about not been able to hug guys at work. Quite simply some people can do the physical contact better than others, I'm not great so generally don't, but still very easy to see when it is ok.
What is a progressive, is it a bad thing?

s7ryf3925pivug

joe40 wrote: »

Yes you can, if you're not creepy about it and making someone uncomfortable. It is really easy enough to read those situations

Weird. I hate the whole hugging goodbye thing but most women do it (even though they know I hate it). A handshake is the limit of my comfort zone with physical affection with people who aren't my wife or son.

Obviously I wouldn't be into touching their shoulders at work. Usually feel angry and/or startled when people do it to me. I do think that's inappropriate but my perceptions about such things are atypical so I only concern myself with interactions with myself personally and don't read into things.

Bonniedog

Silentcorner wrote: »

Political correctness has damaged comedy....

It is matter of taste obviously but Frankie Boyle the leftie favourite got away with mocking intellectually disabled children. Just on the basis that most of the targets of his vulgar tirades are hate figures of the left.

Then again, lefties think all intellectually disabled children should be liquidated. Another thing they share with their Nazi totalitarian comrades.

764dak

Interesting article about bullying from social justice warriors:

https://forward.com/opinion/390296/its-time-to-call-out-bullying-by-social-justice-warriors/

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

Depends on the situation, maybe no one's fault. Sometimes at retirement functions, I would hug colleagues male and female. Why is no one complaining about not been able to hug guys at work. Quite simply some people can do the physical contact better than others, I'm not great so generally don't, but still very easy to see when it is ok.
What is a progressive, is it a bad thing?

Absolutely, therein lies the bind, when reputations are at stake, remember according to some studies nearly 30% of young women believe winking to be harrassment... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2017/11/01/sexual-harassment-how-genders-and-generations-see- ...not a nuicance or somewhat uncomfortable, harrassment, these young women are quickly going to become unemployable.

It's amazing, more and more women are now complaining that they are not being mentored by men, or that they are not being invited to after work activities...if men were so creepy, then you'd imagine it would be the other way around!

Greyfox

Bonniedog wrote: »

Then again, lefties think all intellectually disabled children should be liquidated. Another thing they share with their Nazi totalitarian comrades.

You really need to stop reading the daily mail

Mad_maxx

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Casey incurred the wrath of the Liberal media for committing the sin of asking hard questions about a sacred cow of the PC Left

Ahh Max he didn’t for jesus sake :pac:

It was the media who promoted his views because they knew it would stoke up tension and bitterness and resentment against travellers/homeless/unmarried mothers, etc. And they were right, it worked, and Ms. Cash was less of a sacred cow, and more of a... cash cow so to speak, for the media.

Casey didn’t ask any hard questions btw, he only pointed fingers.

The media ended up raising his profile but that sure as hell wasn't what they intended, they lit on him like vultures following his traveller comments and tore strips off him for a week prior to polling day.

If you think the media here set out to demonise travellers during the casey saga, you really misread the entire controversy and just do not understand the Irish media

They built him up by accident

Bonniedog

Greyfox wrote: »

You really need to stop reading the daily mail

Never read it in my life.

You perhaps, on the other hand, might read Karl Popper and Solzhenitsyn and others on the confluence of totalitarianism of left and right based on their view of humans as means not ends (maybe check out Kant actually) and that unborn children and those of the wrong race, class, religion can be liquidated for the common good.

That seems to be your tradition, comrade

One eyed Jack

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The media ended up raising his profile but that sure as hell wasn't what they intended, they lit on him like vultures following his traveller comments and tore strips off him for a week prior to polling day.

If you think the media here set out to demonise travellers during the casey saga, you really misread the entire controversy and just do not understand the Irish media.

They built him up by accident

The Irish media didn’t build Casey up by accident any more than they built Cash up to be a hero. The media are quite aware of how both would be perceived as divisive figures who would rile people up and get people to turn on each other. It generates revenue for them.

If you imagine that Casey wasn’t aware of the consequences of his comments about travellers and the popularity he would gain from making those comments, then I don’t know what to tell you because that’s exactly what politics is about - it’s easier to turn people against each other and blame each other, than it is to get people to work together. Casey pointing fingers at travellers was like shooting fish in a barrel, he knew well the reaction he’d get for it and he knew how popular he’d be for his politically correct opinions.

Stop moaning ffs

‘I can’t say the racist bigoted homophobic misogynistic sh!t I want to! My free speech is denied!’

The premise of this thread and several in it. Basically

Hate speech and free speech are two very different things lads.

Redneck Reject

My 2 cents, back home in America, no one wants to acknowledge it was Southern Democrats who formed the Ku Klux Klan.

ILoveYourVibes

Simon Harris being the greatest champion of political correctness in this country doesn't exactly make you wanna trust it.

Also this is a real issue ....Irish politicians use political correctness when it suits them but are far from it. They use it to get out of dealing with social issues particularly in some areas of Dublin.

They won't force kids in tallagh to school in the morning because its not pc ..but they will give huge hockey pitches and funds to wesley and belvedere college meanwhile if tallaght community school asks for a paper clip they are scroungers.

Be polite but don't try and get all kids equal education...don't get them all to aim for college. Sure that's not pc ..

Don't work at getting school attendance to 100% in these places its pointless ..lets be PC instead. Lets baby them. Tell them they are not able for school. School is too HARD for people from working class backgrounds obviously. Lets be PC.

Lets not make them study 2 hrs a day after attending school every day. Lets be PC. Lets make excuses for us all.

PC is lip service in place of actually helping people. Fact.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Simon Harris being the greatest champion of political correctness in this country doesn't exactly make you wanna trust it.

Also this is a real issue ....Irish politicians use political correctness when it suits them but are far from it. They use it to get out of dealing with social issues particularly in some areas of Dublin.

They won't force kids in tallagh to school in the morning because its not pc ..but they will give huge hockey pitches and funds to wesley and belvedere college meanwhile if tallaght community school asks for a paper clip they are scroungers.

Be polite but don't try and get all kids equal education...don't get them all to aim for college. Sure that's not pc ..

Don't work at getting school attendance to 100% in these places its pointless ..lets be PC instead. Lets baby them. Tell them they are not able for school. School is too HARD for people from working class backgrounds obviously. Lets be PC.

Lets not make them study 2 hrs a day after attending school every day. Lets be PC. Lets make excuses for us all.

PC is lip service in place of actually helping people. Fact.

Also the middle class needs to understand plcs and taking your time to get there is a luxury. Not everyone has that. A lot of the alternative ways to college are made for the middle class who can finance the time it will take.

They also have the added advantage of trying to catch up with their peers.

Kids from working class backgrounds today from what i can see have zero self belief in either their intelligence or their powers of endurance. The don't know how strong they are.

All they are told is they are too fragile or not traditionally intelligent enough (and they can read through your code you know they know that just means dumb).

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Redneck Reject wrote: »

My 2 cents, back home in America, no one wants to acknowledge it was Southern Democrats who formed the Ku Klux Klan.

Everyone ackowledges this. It has long been common knowledge. Republicans just keep pretending it is some big secret so they came claim to be the real anti-racists.

One eyed Jack

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

‘I can’t say the racist bigoted homophobic misogynistic sh!t I want to! My free speech is denied!’

The premise of this thread and several in it. Basically

Hate speech and free speech are two very different things lads.

Yep, the right to freedom of expression exists. “Hate speech” on the other hand, is just an attempt to condemn people for expressing themselves. Take for example your earlier nonsense -

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Is there some parallel universe where ireland was always populated by the bloody liberals?

The ireland I grew up in was stringently conservative and crushed by the Catholic Church and it's archaic rules and it controlled the whole show government down to schools

This was standard fare for the Late Late Show in Ireland in 1985 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GISBqXQFaP8

And Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULO-sHOZxPk

A discussion of that nature and as frank and open as that simply wouldn’t happen today. Instead we get American style “tv debates” that are just overgrown children sniping at each other to score points :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

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A discussion of that nature and as frank and open as that simply wouldn’t happen today. Instead we get American style “tv debates” that are just overgrown children sniping at each other to score points :rolleyes:

How do we get this back?

ILoveYourVibes

CNN and FOX are equally biased.