Things the PC brigade don't want to hear or admit

Crock Rock

Travellers account for 0.7 % of the general population but represent 10-20% of prisoners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524


Have you any stats or facts that are true but the PC brigade don't like to hear?

Insect Overlord

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet unsupervised.

Woke Hogan

Crock Rock wrote: »

Travellers account for 0.7 % of the general population but represent 10-20% of prisoners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524


Have you any stats or facts that are true but the PC brigade won't like to hear?

Travellers are disproportionately the subject of negative discrimination in Ireland.


Come and get me, PC brigade. I'll come quietly.

adox

“Don’t”

Yours truly

The grammar brigade.

kneemos

Will the PC Brigade come in an emergency?

Crock Rock

adox wrote: »

“Don’t”

Yours truly

The grammar brigade.

Cheers, pal.

jimmycrackcorm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Travellers are disproportionately the subject of negative discrimination in Ireland.

I wonder why?
Chicken and egg?

Woke Hogan

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Travellers are disproportionately the subject of negative discrimination in Ireland.

Pavee Point's newest recruit.

skooterblue2

Travellers make massive contributions to society. They are responsible for massive garda overtime and council workers fixing the damage to housing estates. How do you expect travellers to access Free Legal Aid that keeps solicitors families out of the work house admittedly at the taxpayers expense. Social workers structure their year around the "Patterns" and "wedding season".

Some people call it sexual assault travellers call it "grabbing", tha's culture boy.

Woke Hogan

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Travellers are disproportionately the subject of negative discrimination in Ireland.


Come and get me, PC brigade. I'll come quietly.

answering stats with an opinion is weak sauce bucko

looksee

Do the traveller pc brigade overlap with the, say, race brigade or the equality brigade or any other brigades? Or is it a case of, if you are pc about one group you are pc about them all? How pc do you have to be to be in the brigade? These are important questions as I am trying to figure out if pc is a good thing or a bad thing, and where do I sit on the graph?

Woke Hogan

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I wonder why?
Chicken and egg?

There is a huge element of criminality within the Traveller Community, yes, but I think too many settled people lay the sole responsibility upon the travellers to integrate without making any effort to assist in that integration themselves.

Don't believe me? How many employers here would be willing to hire a traveller, even if their record was squeaky clean? I'm sure someone will come in mouthing off in an effort to show me up but let's be honest here, very very few employers actually would.

skooterblue2

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Travellers are disproportionately the subject of negative discrimination in Ireland.

The Josef Goebbles of Pavee Point. Isnt diversity one of our strengths?

Gregor Samsa

Did you actually read the last article? The statistics are given by Travellers and Travellers rights activists themselves. It’s not something that anyone - including the “PC brigade” - is trying to deny. In fact, they’re actively using them to show that Travellers are being discriminated against!

There should be a basic comprehension test to determine that potential posters can understand and reason to the level of the average 12 year old before posting here.

Leg End Reject

There are 2 genders.
Travellers are poorly regarded because of their behaviour, not discrimination.
Nobody is entitled to own their own home, that's a right you have to earn.

skooterblue2

So Whats the message? We need to get more settled people into prison?

Junkyard Tom

Crock Rock wrote: »

Travellers account for 0.7 % of the general population but represent 10-20% of prisoners.

It's your fault.

Potential-Monke

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Don't believe me? How many employers here would be willing to hire a traveller, even if their record was squeaky clean? I'm sure someone will come in mouthing off in an effort to show me up but let's be honest here, very very few employers actually would.

But who should make the first move? Employers who have been burned before, or who still see the carry on of the majority of travellers, or the travellers themselves by showing that regardless of the circumstances, they won't resort to crime? It's a tough one, and one which I couldn't resolve. As I have a dislike for them based on professional and personal experiences. (Did I say that in a PC enough kind of way?)

Something the PC Brigade don't want to hear? Equality means equal to everyone, not just minorities or those who are discriminated against.

punisher5112

Racist this racist that......

the beer revolu

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Travellers are poorly regarded because of their behaviour, not discrimination.

Every traveller behaves badly?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

the beer revolu wrote: »

Every traveller behaves badly?

That’s literally what he said.

Insect Overlord

Crock Rock versus Woke Hogan in the middle of the squared circle could be our generation's Wrestlemania X8 moment.

Woke Hogan

It's convenient for settled people to blame Travellers entirely for the tension between both communities but we need to wake up to the fact that settled people are discriminatory and predujiced towards Travellers from a very early age. How many of us have heard stories about Traveller children being bullied in primary school for being Travellers, for example? It takes two to tango.

skooterblue2

the beer revolu wrote: »

Every traveller behaves badly?

80% of Traveller males over 22 have a criminal record. the other 20% havent been caught yet.

IAMAMORON

I don't get 10-20 percent of anything?

The prison population is either 10% full of knackers or 20 % full of knackers , what is it?

I always thought that 100% of the prison population are knackers ?

What am I getting wrong here?

Why do people insist on bashing travellers on this forum? What is the point?

Leg End Reject

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That’s literally what he said.

*she

I'll clarify - as a group they are poorly regarded because of the behaviour we are aware of.

I honestly don't know anyone who has had a positive experience with any of them.

the beer revolu

To all the traveller hating folk:

No one denies that there are many social problems amongst the travelling community.
There is a problem with integration with the wider society as a whole. And yes, criminality is a problem that appears to be more widespread in the traveller community.

This seems to cause a lot of angst from people here. What is your solution?
Grenoside?
I'd really like to hear how you might solve the problem (or perhaps I don't).

Personally, I don't know but I do know that continuing to prejudge every single traveller as worthless scum sure doesn't seem to be helping.
Why would a traveller want to integrate into a society that socially accepts outright hatred for people they have never met?
I have no doubt that if I was born a traveller that I'd have learned from a very early age that I was scum and not welcome in the wider community.
What incentive would there be for me to become an upstanding member of a society that hates me without knowing anything about me?

I don't see things improving.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's convenient for settled people to blame Travellers entirely for the tension between both communities but we need to wake up to the fact that settled people are discriminatory and predujiced towards Travellers from a very early age. How many of us have heard stories about Traveller children being bullied in primary school for being Travellers, for example? It takes two to tango.

I’ve heard the opposite.

Leg End Reject

Travellers don't want to integrate, they actively sought to be recognised as an ethnic minority.

the beer revolu

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I honestly don't know anyone who has had a positive experience with any of them.

How would anyone have positive experiences with them? There is almost no integration. They aren't welcome where we go.

This thread is mind-numbing.

People actually defending discrimination of travellers because employers have had bad experiences -- this is exactly how racists speak everywhere in the world. You don't get a free pass from being a racist because a lot of people agree with your degenerate opinions.

Leg End Reject

the beer revolu wrote: »

How would anyone have positive experiences with them. There is almost no integration. They aren't welcome where we go.

See my post above yours. They want to be different.

whisky_galore

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's convenient for settled people to blame Travellers entirely for the tension between both communities but we need to wake up to the fact that settled people are discriminatory and predujiced towards Travellers from a very early age. How many of us have heard stories about Traveller children being bullied in primary school for being Travellers, for example? It takes two to tango.

You don't see endless threads whinging about our Chinese, or Polish or other established immigrant communities. Why?
Because by and large they behave themselves, they're interested in working to earn a crust and attempting to integrate. I'm not aware of the Poles or anyone else other than travellers seeking special ethnic status and handouts for life.

Kids bully other kids because they're too short, or too tall, have glasses or red hair or whatever because kids are little cünts.

the beer revolu

Hands up anyone who has ever truthfully thought, "I wish I was born a traveller"?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This thread is mind-numbing.

People actually defending discrimination of travellers because employers have had bad experiences -- this is exactly how racists speak everywhere in the world. You don't get a free pass from being a racist because a lot of people agree with your degenerate opinions.

Firstly the invention of travellers as a race is a fairly new phenomenon. Secondly statistics do in fact matter.

Employers in Ireland hire anybody they can get their hands on, from the four corners of the earth.

EmmetSpiceland

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This thread is mind-numbing.

People actually defending discrimination of travellers because employers have had bad experiences -- this is exactly how racists speak everywhere in the world. You don't get a free pass from being a racist because a lot of people agree with your degenerate opinions.

Hopefully it’ll be moved over to the “current affairs” forum soon enough, ATNM.

Leg End Reject

the beer revolu wrote: »

Hands up anyone who has ever truthfully thought, "I wish I was born a traveller"?

You knows that's going to be a a very small number, or zero, if people are honest.
Why would you want to be something you dislike?

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Travellers don't want to integrate, they actively sought to be recognised as an ethnic minority.

What do you mean by 'integrate '
What would travellers have to do in order for people to feel they have integrated?

the beer revolu

Leg End Reject wrote: »

You knows that's going to be a a very small number, or zero, if people are honest.
Why would you want to be something you dislike?

Because they get handouts from the gubberment. They can do what ever they like. They get free houses and horses. They don't have to pay tax. They're all loaded.

Reasons like that.
Who wants to be born a traveller ?

Leg End Reject

bubblypop wrote: »

What do you mean by 'integrate '
What would travellers have to do in order for people to feel they have integrated?

Have a guess there yourself.

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

You knows that's going to be a a very small number, or zero, if people are honest.
Why would you want to be something you dislike?

Nobody wants to be born a traveller because no-one wishes they had their life.
That's if people are honest.

skooterblue2

the beer revolu wrote: »

Hands up anyone who has ever truthfully thought, "I wish I was born a traveller"?

I wouldnt mind it. Dole at 16, education is for chumps, then when I do realise its worth I can get reserved places on some softy softy course like Social care. Housing I jump to the head of the queue, dont need no deposit or anything because its the councils problem. When it doesnt suit me I can wreck the gaff and get a new one. All that stuff stupid settled people dont like "grabbing", "boxing", "child marriages", dropping out of education, respecting the law? Well you see Boss that's me culture....... and if you dont like it then you are a RACIST!!!

Thats a class lifestyle.

Leg End Reject

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Have a guess there yourself.

I honestly don't know, that's why I asked!

TheValeyard

Crock Rock wrote: »

Cheers, pal.

He's not Your Pal, guy.


Edit: aww, no remembers South Park Canadians

enricoh

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This thread is mind-numbing.

People actually defending discrimination of travellers because employers have had bad experiences -- this is exactly how racists speak everywhere in the world. You don't get a free pass from being a racist because a lot of people agree with your degenerate opinions.

Open up a pub, let them all in n report back to us in a year on your experience.
I guarantee it'll be an eh, interesting, chapter in yer life!

Woke Hogan

Deleted User wrote: »

answering stats with an opinion is weak sauce bucko

By "stats" are you referring to those wikipedia links the original poster cited? Hardly the stuff of a scholarly debate. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


https://www.iccl.ie/equality/whrdtakeover/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/still-significant-discrimination-towards-travellers--report-931913.html
http://www.socialistworkeronline.net/irish-travellers-the-reality-of-racism/
https://www.lenus.ie/bitstream/handle/10147/560348/travellersinirelanddiscriminationracism.pdf;jsessionid=32BF29E1566B8BFB2CFB06FF17E8A8CF?sequence=1


Is that sauce strong enough for you, bucko?

Raconteuse

the beer revolu wrote: »

To all the traveller hating folk:

No one denies that there are many social problems amongst the travelling community.
There is a problem with integration with the wider society as a whole. And yes, criminality is a problem that appears to be more widespread in the traveller community.

This seems to cause a lot of angst from people here.

Of course it does. It wouldn't make sense for it not to.

What is your solution?

Well I think the solution needs to come from within traveller society itself. Not sure how those outside of it can or should be the ones to formulate a solution. Although there are plenty of state supports for travellers.

Personally, I don't know but I do know that continuing to prejudge every single traveller as worthless scum sure doesn't seem to be helping.
Why would a traveller want to integrate into a society that socially accepts outright hatred for people they have never met?
I have no doubt that if I was born a traveller that I'd have learned from a very early age that I was scum and not welcome in the wider community.
What incentive would there be for me to become an upstanding member of a society that hates me without knowing anything about me

That's just shifting responsibility - their violence and criminality and intimidation isn't their fault, even though they're the ones actually responsible for it. What incentive? What incentive is there for anyone not to be a violent criminal? Not hurting others I suppose. The low expectations definitely don't help them.

Travellers on the whole choose to be segregated anyway.

And I know that not every single traveller is a scumbag, but that doesn't eliminate the serious problems within their community, which only they can change. For their own good above all. Bare-knuckle boxing, child marriage, cruelty to animals - these are not caused by external factors.

Leg End Reject

Would anyone give their dog or horse to a traveller if they had to leave the country?


If no, why ever not?

Irish Guitarist

Why would the Irish legal system discriminate against travellers by putting them in jail without reason? What benefit would this provide? In America prisoners make goods for large companies. This is highly profitable. In Ireland it's the opposite. It costs money to jail people.

Seriously could someone explain why travellers would be in jail due to discrimination and not because of their own actions?

Signore Fancy Pants

Woke Hogan wrote: »

It's convenient for settled people to blame Travellers entirely for the tension between both communities but we need to wake up to the fact that settled people are discriminatory and predujiced towards Travellers from a very early age. How many of us have heard stories about Traveller children being bullied in primary school for being Travellers, for example? It takes two to tango.

What "settled people"?

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

What do you mean by 'integrate '
What would travellers have to do in order for people to feel they have integrated?

You didn't answer this leg end