Things the PC brigade don't want to hear or admit

764dak

I like sets.

s7ryf3925pivug

skimmed back a few pages. Lots of sh!t about philosophy and IQ and posters' qualifications. Don't see any difficult home truths for politically correct people. .. Take it to the chat room, people. (Is that still there?)

s7ryf3925pivug

Orwell was very much left wing, but anti-Communist and anti-PC, sometimes referring to the right-on brigade. He wrote an essay about various truths that could not be accepted by followers of different ideologies because they conflicted with their world views. The one I remember was that the Irish state could only exist [at that time] because of the protection of the UK. ...Don't remember if it was in the same essay that he pointed out that pacifists can only exist because of the protection of armed forces.

ILoveYourVibes

Mental illness is over diagnosed and a lot of people use it to avoid taking responsibility or to get meds to escape reality.

ILoveYourVibes

Maggie Ancient Sheriff wrote: »

skimmed back a few pages. Lots of sh!t about philosophy and IQ and posters' qualifications. Don't see any difficult home truths for politically correct people. .. Take it to the chat room, people. (Is that still there?)

I think the point was that intelligence being measurable by an IQ test and that such testing is validated by science is not a view that is politically correct.

The subject on whether your IQ is your level of intelligence is a touchy one.

Danonino.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Mental illness is over diagnosed and a lot of people use it to avoid taking responsibility or to get meds to escape reality.

I had no idea you could get shrooms and tabs of the doctor. I’m gonna go pretend I’m hearing voices and get some free good times, feck responsibility. I bet depression’s class. Wonder what I’d get if I let on I was schizophrenic?

Pfffft

s7ryf3925pivug

Danonino. wrote: »

I had no idea you could get shrooms and tabs of the doctor. I’m gonna go pretend I’m hearing voices and get some free good times, feck responsibility. I bet depression’s class. Wonder what I’d get if I let on I was schizophrenic?

Pfffft

I'm aware of multiple psychiatrists that say that bipolar disorder is over-diagnosed anyway. In most cases that is due to error rather than malingering though, I think.

Mood stabilizers aren't attractive meds for anyone who doesn't need them anyway. I think benzos are the only common psych drugs people usually like, but it's very rare for them to be given now because of the level of misuse.

ILoveYourVibes

Danonino. wrote: »

I had no idea you could get shrooms and tabs of the doctor. I’m gonna go pretend I’m hearing voices and get some free good times, feck responsibility. I bet depression’s class. Wonder what I’d get if I let on I was schizophrenic?

Pfffft

Depression is way over diagnosed.

Johns Hopkins found so in a study. They also found most people diagnosed with depression don't actually have it.

They found only 38% of those diagnosed meet the requirements. It was a study of 5,639 participants.

Also a study found that in Ireland for young people the no 1 reason they visit their gp is mental health issues.

https://www.thejournal.ie/young-people-mostly-visit-gps-for-mental-health-issues-696107-Nov2012/

UCC lecture:Depression and other psychological disorders are overdiagnosed in the Republic, resulting in inappropriate treatment, a leading psychiatrist will say in a keynote lecture tomorrow.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/psychiatrist-warns-of-overdiagnosing-depression-1.494900

I also think young people are not properly educated about the long term side effects of such drugs.

monkeysnapper

bubblypop wrote: »

What do you mean by 'integrate '
What would travellers have to do in order for people to feel they have integrated?

When I first came to Ireland in 1999 I got job in deli in dunnes stores and one of the ladies working there was a traveler.... she was lovely,,, hard working and seemed embarrassed every time one of the family would come in.

Her husband would come in sometimes and he was really nice aswell .. they seemed to me that they were a young family trying their best to integrate into society and were winning ...I say this because everyone I worked with totally respected her and there was many working there who I'd have liked to have put head in the deli slicer for being a awkward c*nt.

Danonino.

None of which was stated in your first comment

Even in your follow up comment it shows the system although flawed is working to some degree. That people aren’t just heading to the docs looking for meds to ‘escape reality’ or responsibility.


“Of the young patients who presented with mental health issues, 10 per cent were referred to specialist services, 4 per cent were referred to non-specialist services and the remainder were not referred to secondary care but were managed by the GP.”

That’s 14% who were referred to specialist/non-specialist care. I highly doubt the remaining were handed benzos etc without exploring options like therapy etc.

A 2015 a study found Ireland to have the highest rate of chronic depression in europe at 12%. 10,323 surveyed so we’ll say 1239 people. Your original comment would allude to the idea that ‘a lot’ of those people are avoiding real life and are not just miss-diagnosed, are actively avoiding responsibility to relax on some free meds. I don’t agree. The fact there were more suicides than days in 2015 (425) would lead me to believe there are issues with mental health. A lot could be argued about over-diagnosing, misdiagnosis, incorrect care, incorrect medication and especially unnecessary medication BUT:


“Mental illness is over diagnosed and a lot of people use it to avoid taking responsibility or to get meds to escape reality.”

Argues none of that. Is just ****ing wrong. I’m guessing you have never witnessed someone you know suffer from a mental illness and watch their recovery aided by proper diagnosis and medication?

Edit: I 100% agree we have issues with unnecessary medication. But that was not what was posted or what I replied too.

ILoveYourVibes

Inheritance tax is something everyone resents.

Actually tax is something everyone resents.

Virtue signalling is a real thing and people who demonstrate it are usually not appropriately in touch with the painful facts of life. Its like saying all problems are solvable. But similarly the accusers are not themselves above virtue signalling. And pointing out virtue signalling has become a type of virtue signalling also.

Mangofrozo

Depression and anxiety issues are caused by beliefs, conditioning and mindset.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I have B.A in it.

You surprise me i wouldn't have thought a philosophy student would react emotionally to debate.

Also I am correct. Philosophy is really trying to establish the falsifiable of prepositions theories etc.


Someone mentioned not getting badious set theory...its not actually his own own thing ....knowing the basics helps ..its really easy

I know set theory. I said Baido didn’t.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Inheritance tax is something everyone resents.

I think it’s essential for a functioning democracy to not become an oligarchy. But I’m not rich.

Actually tax is something everyone resents.

Probably.

Virtue signalling is a real thing and people who demonstrate it are usually not appropriately in touch with the painful facts of life. Its like saying all problems are solvable. But similarly the accusers are not themselves above virtue signalling. And pointing out virtue signalling has become a type of virtue signalling also.

Here’s my theory on that. Real virtue exists. Signalling virtue is rarely virtue.

I always distrust the more vocal proponents of any philosophy - they might be hiding something.

joe40

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Mental illness is over diagnosed and a lot of people use it to avoid taking responsibility or to get meds to escape reality.

I was recently at a funeral for a 24 year old that committed suicide. I would love to see you tell that to his Mother.

ILoveYourVibes

Mangofrozo wrote: »

Depression and anxiety issues are caused by beliefs, conditioning and mindset.

For like 70% of cases yes.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

For like 70% of cases yes.

Where did you derive that figure? I imagine it emerged from your posterior.

Stop moaning ffs

So I’m making up my depression? I really don’t think I am

joe40

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

For like 70% of cases yes.

I once heard that 95% of statistics were made up.

ILoveYourVibes

So I’m making up my depression? I really don’t think I am

Try not to take my opinion personally. I am sure you are a lovely person. I am not aiming an opinion toward any one person.:)

I don't know you you know you.

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did you derive that figure? I imagine it emerged from your posterior.

According to a John's Hopkins study only 38% of people diagnosed with depression actually meet the requirements for it. Its definitely over diagnosed.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/charting-the-depths/201305/depression-over-diagnosed

This is a second study saying the same thing.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1949440/

Its really a shame In 2004, the FDA first initiated a Black Box Warning on SSRIs The warning is still placed on package inserts for all antidepressants in common use. It mentions the risk of suicidal thoughts, hostility, and agitation in children, teens and young adults.. Also Heart disease liver damage etc. There is also speculation about some cancers.

Those who took antidepressants long-term had a 33% higher risk of mortality than those who don't.

There is a family calling for a black box warning on prozac.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/family-call-for-black-box-warning-on-prozac-373143.html

A black box warning is the strictest warning put in the labeling of prescription drugs or drug products by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) when there is reasonable evidence of an association of a serious hazard with the drug.

I gotta get back to work guys.

Sorry about that

I don't know anyone who is homophobic or has homophobic views.

steddyeddy

Sorry about that wrote: »

I don't know anyone who is homophobic or has homophobic views.

The DUP? Several members described homosexuality as an abomination and disgusting.

ILoveYourVibes

As a bi-sexual female i think Bi erasure is bs.

Sorry about that

steddyeddy wrote: »

The DUP? Several members described homosexuality as an abomination and disgusting.

The DUP have a lot of disgusting views but I don't know any of their members.

nthclare

Sorry about that wrote: »

I don't know anyone who is homophobic or has homophobic views.

Ironically I have a few male friends who are man loving men and they cannot stand the gay scene, camp guys or flamboyancy lol

But it wouldn't be considered homophobic, but if a straight person had the same view's it would be considered homophobic...

nthclare

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

As a bi-sexual female i think Bi erasure is bs.

Love it I'm bi myself and it's great isn't it

Bi erasure

ILoveYourVibes

nthclare wrote: »

Love it I'm bi myself and it's great isn't it

Bi erasure

I get what you mean. Yeah i guess so. We don't admit it.

It has advantages.

:pac:

Mangofrozo

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

For like 70% of cases yes.

If I were to estimate I'd say it's closer to 99%. Depression and anxiety issues are almost unheard of in hunter gatherer societies. I think that in order to allow civilisation to prosper people need to be conditioned from an early age to behave in ways that are "unnatural", this causes mental issues in most people in my opinion. People who exhibit depression and chronic anxiety are those that are worst affected by the conditioning

Mad_maxx

Closing down the old mental institution's achieved nothing bar giving rise to a huge increase in homelessness and making liberals feel smug

The prevailing Liberal narative that these places were cruel is wrong, they were safe places for people simply not able to manage in the big bad world

nthclare

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I get what you mean. Yeah i guess so. We don't admit it.

It has advantages.

:pac:

Absolutely because we're honest and sincere, have broad mind's and tastes...

Loads of options, and happy with our independent lifestyle....

Plenty of people out there living a lie, I love being two for the price of one