Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

jackboy

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The window is rapidly closing. I, for one, would hate to be a child today. Genuinely.

Don’t share these opinions with any children.

biko

Climate change is a good cause but tbh a PR-firm powered child isn't the way forward for me.
If it is enough to move the masses then sure, why not. As long long as the movement is about climate only and doesn't start on the usual lefty idea around immigration, classes, owning means of production etc.
Or raising taxes.

While Asia pump the seas full of plastic you are recycling responsibly and told to pay carbon tax.
Is carbon tax earmarked for environment effort?
Hell no, it raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer big bag of money for other things the gov feels like spending on.
Hence it's not a real environment tax, it's just another tax they dreamed up to separate you from your money.

SafeSurfer

lolo62 wrote: »

I don't see Greta as an authority. Maybe looking up to her isn't the right term of phrase, I admire her, I find what she's doing highly inspiring. I also don't think she's trying to be an authority figure she's just saying what she thinks with complete conviction and trying to make a difference. This is not something we are used to seeing from children, particularly if you were raised in Ireland and I think that's why peoples feathers are ruffled.
The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. To admire what Greta is doing isn't putting unfair responsibility on her shoulders it's supporting one girl, who in my opinion, IS thriving despite the odds.

I think the vast majority of parents seek to create a society in which their children can thrive. You may disagree with their vision of this society or their means of creating it but to suggest parents don’t protect their children or strive for a society in which they can thrive is a sweeping generalization, wholly without merit.

Would I allow my teenage daughter to travel on a voyage in a confined space with a couple of wealthy members of the elite, including an individual who’s family hosts a formula 1 Grand Prix in their principality in order to lobby US politicians about action on climate change?

I might suggest she stay at home and lobby her new found friends to switch from Formula one hosting to electric car racing.

SafeSurfer

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I think those who are discrediting her would change their view if they did their research on the future we will have if we don't act soon. The window is rapidly closing. I, for one, would hate to be a child today. Genuinely.

Any civilization who beat both acid rain and the Milennium Bug will no doubt manage to come through “Climate Change”.

lolo62

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think the vast majority of parents seek to create a society in which their children can thrive. You may disagree with their vision of this society or their means of creating it but to suggest parents don’t protect their children or strive for a society in which they can thrive is a sweeping generalization, wholly without merit.
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I didn't suggest parents don't strive for those things, if that's what you got from what I was saying you misunderstood. I don't believe adults have created a society in which children can thrive. This might seem like a sweeping generalization but speaking about society is sort of general by default. I don't know how I could have put it better but did not mean any offence.

One eyed Jack

lolo62 wrote: »

I personally amn't used to seeing children speak so clearly and with such conviction. I have worked as a teacher for 20 years and when I come across a child that speaks with a power that is all their own it stops me in my tracks.

Children who are generally regarded by adults to be child prodigies will do that. Greta is not a child prodigy of any description. She is like most children simply a product of her parents and the adults she has been surrounded with, inculcated with their beliefs. I don’t believe for a minute that she is speaking with any power all of her own, but that she is being powered by the adults who have surrounded her and are using her as a mouthpiece (unfortunate choice of words but refers to the adults around her view her as opposed to anything Greta herself is not responsible for) for their own beliefs.

lolo62 wrote: »

(Most just regurgitate their narcissistic parents BS and are controlled/micromanaged to within an inch of their lives.)
What group of adults do you think are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child (Greta) to do so?

Kinda answered your own question right there lola tbh. I believe her parents and the adults in her life who are micromanaging her to within an inch of her young life are the very people who are controlling her and controlling the messages she is putting out into the world in front of the media and in the political arena. I believe she is simply regurgitating her narcissistic parents BS and the BS of the other adults who are using her as a carrier of their message.

My own child for example would likely stop you in your tracks and to be frank he’s a bit of an arsehole (perhaps more like myself than I’d like to think then :pac:), I’d love nothing more sometimes than to bundle him onto a boat and punt him off out to sea as far away as possible, sometimes (not for the same reasons as Greta’s parents though ), but I don’t do that. Why? Because he’s a child. It’s not his place to represent my views to the world. When he’s an adult, then by all means I’ll be glad to see him piss off and wish him well in his endeavours to inflict his opinions on the world. I dunno how you’d react to him but while he breaks my balls he’d probably melt your heart, and that’s exactly why I think you imagine that Greta herself is ruffling feathers and is an inspiration for you, because she’s a child who would melt the hardest of hearts! There’s no denying it. It’s what makes her so charming that she appears to be exceptional in some way, that you’re placing more value in her opinions than if those same opinions were being spoken by an adult.

Greta isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said by adults for donkeys years. The difference isn’t the message, it’s the fact that they’re now weaponising children to spread their message because they know adult fruitcakes don’t command the same attention, but who doesn’t love a cute kid?

Melanchthon

biko wrote: »

Climate change is a good cause but tbh a PR-firm powered child isn't the way forward for me.
If it is enough to move the masses then sure, why not. As long long as the movement is about climate only and doesn't start on the usual lefty idea around immigration, classes, owning means of production etc.
Or raising taxes.

While Asia pump the seas full of plastic you are recycling responsibly and told to pay carbon tax.
Is carbon tax earmarked for environment effort?
Hell no, it raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer big bag of money for other things the gov feels like spending on.
Hence it's not a real environment tax, it's just another tax they dreamed up to separate you from your money.

Is there a way out of a potential climate change spiral with current levels of technology that can be solved in a capitalist liberal economic system, thats the unpleasant question.
The world likely can't sustain 9 Billion-ish people consuming at its current rates, it definitely can't support consumption at 1st world rates across that population. Whether coming from the left or right ideology much stricter state control seems a more likely outcome.

Beechwoodspark

Her mode of travel is fantastic compared to air travel. Well done Greta

SafeSurfer

lolo62 wrote: »

I didn't suggest parents don't strive for those things, if that's what you got from what I was saying you misunderstood. I don't believe adults have created a society in which children can thrive. This might seem like a sweeping generalization but speaking about society is sort of general by default. I don't know how I could have put it better but did not mean any offence.

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

gozunda

Melanchthon wrote: »

Is there a way out of a potential climate change spiral with current levels of technology that can be solved in a capitalist liberal economic system, thats the unpleasant question.
The world likely can't sustain 9 Billion-ish people consuming at its current rates, it definitely can't support consumption at 1st world rates across that population. Whether coming from the left or right ideology much stricter state control seems a more likely outcome.

Kind of to the side of that however communist / socialist totalitarian type governments have an absolutely abysmal record on environmental issues. China is the world's top emitter of greenhouse gases primarily due to their insistance on commissioning new coal power stations. Their per capita emissions are now at or above the European average. So whatever about 'capitalist liberal economic' political system and solutions - the are certainly not the sole purveyors of these issues ...

biko

We need to help Asia reduce this, that's where the effort need to lie.
It will be done by foreign aid and foreign technology.
And taxing polluting companies and earmarking the taxes to go straight to the clean-up effort, nothing else.
I can pay 3 cents extra for my Coke if I know for sure it helps clean up Asia. You can too*

The company charged with the cleanup will be answering directly to UN, so UN can do something of value at all.




* sorry about going all commie on you

lolo62

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Children who are generally regarded by adults to be child prodigies will do that. Greta is not a child prodigy of any description. She is like most children simply a product of her parents and the adults she has been surrounded with, inculcated with their beliefs. I don’t believe for a minute that she is speaking with any power all of her own, but that she is being powered by the adults who have surrounded her and are using her as a mouthpiece (unfortunate choice of words but refers to the adults around her view her as opposed to anything Greta herself is not responsible for) for their own beliefs.





Kinda answered your own question right there lola tbh. I believe her parents and the adults in her life who are micromanaging her to within an inch of her young life are the very people who are controlling her and controlling the messages she is putting out into the world in front of the media and in the political arena. I believe she is simply regurgitating her narcissistic parents BS and the BS of the other adults who are using her as a carrier of their message.

My own child for example would likely stop you in your tracks and to be frank he’s a bit of an arsehole (perhaps more like myself than I’d like to think then :pac:), I’d love nothing more sometimes than to bundle him onto a boat and punt him off out to sea as far away as possible, sometimes (not for the same reasons as Greta’s parents though ), but I don’t do that. Why? Because he’s a child. It’s not his place to represent my views to the world. When he’s an adult, then by all means I’ll be glad to see him piss off and wish him well in his endeavours to inflict his opinions on the world. I dunno how you’d react to him but while he breaks my balls he’d probably melt your heart, and that’s exactly why I think you imagine that Greta herself is ruffling feathers and is an inspiration for you, because she’s a child who would melt the hardest of hearts! There’s no denying it. It’s what makes her so charming that she appears to be exceptional in some way, that you’re placing more value in her opinions than if those same opinions were being spoken by an adult.

Greta isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said by adults for donkeys years. The difference isn’t the message, it’s the fact that they’re now weaponising children to spread their message because they know adult fruitcakes don’t command the same attention, but who doesn’t love a cute kid?

God I thought I was cynical . Yes children are a product of their environment but by 16 they have definitely gotten a sense of themselves as autonomous and with an Asperger's kid maybe sooner. I certainly don't think she's being "weaponized" and I believe her when she says it's not coming from her parents. Anyway I don't think we're ever going to agree but if everyone agreed all the time life would be boring!

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Her mode of travel is fantastic compared to air travel. Well done Greta

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

MarquisDeSad

gozunda wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Grammar correcting is also against the charter. If your going to lecture someone on the charter perhaps don't break it twice in one post.
Anyway it's fascinating to see you and others hate towards her. Digging down deeper to throw whatever you can based on emotions.
If you don't see what's wrong with that article then that's on you.

That wasn't grammar - in the context of the comment you used an incorrect word "fowl" as in chicken or poultry. And no clarifying that is not "against the charter" (sic). Attacking the poster is afaik.

There is no "hate" in my comment btw. This is a discussion however you may not like that. I dont account for anyone elses comments btw
It's simply an article about a book written by her mother. If you have a problem with anything in that article - then write to the author and explain that you dont like any criticism or whatever.
If others cannot voice an opinion on what has been written by the mother - then what you are suggesting is possibly of more concern than anything detailed in that article ...

Go read the charter again. You need a refresh. Breaking it again.

The article is a hit piece by suspect journalist by a suspect publication. It's written for low intelligent individuals to lap up.

Your posting history says otherwise when it comes to Greta or climate change. A mixture of ignorance, insults and fingers in the ears codology.

Beechwoodspark

bubblypop wrote: »

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

Google the amount of co2 in atmosphere over a million year time scale

odyssey06

bubblypop wrote: »

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

There is a helicopter ferry service from nice airport to monaco too...

Nermal

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Again fascinating. It's almost if people are ignoring what issues she is directly pointing at and just pointing at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating. Look at this fellas hate for her. As I said earlier in the thread it is fascinating to see the emotive ire directed at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Change the record.

lolo62

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

I thought I had clarified. You said that I suggested "parents" don't protect their children or "strive" to create a society they can thrive in. You said that this was a sweeping generalization. What I actually said was that adults (and I was speaking in terms of society) don't protect their (maybe should have said our) children or create a society where they can thrive.

SafeSurfer

lolo62 wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

I thought I had clarified. You said that I suggested "parents" don't protect their children or "strive" to create a society they can thrive in. You said that this was a sweeping generalization. What I actually said was that adults (and I was speaking in terms of society) don't protect their (maybe should have said our) children or create a society where they can thrive.

Angels on a pinhead there. In what way do parents not protect their children?

downwesht

Boat left Plymouth and took a diversion towards Looe,I wonder did she jump ship already?
Off the Lizard doing 14 knts!Forget the bucket for the toilet she'll spew her vegan guts up!

gozunda

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Go read the charter again. You need a refresh. Breaking it again. The article is a hit piece by suspect journalist by a suspect publication. It's written for low intelligent individuals to lap up.
...

If you dont like the article then write and complain to the journalist who you malign and dont whinge at me about it. I've checked the publication and tbh - it appears to be within the norms of journalistic standards imo The point you are clearly missing is that the article is based on the facts detailed in Gretas mothers book. Do you understand that? Theres is no 'hate' (sic) btw - just a simple discussion of the books contents.

Tbh the solicitude comes across as somewhat bizarre tbh. Do you usually trawl posters comment history to try and (wrongly) claim cheap shots? Seriously though - wheres the problem. You have failed to put forward any coherent argument in the discussion above, attack a poster and when a word you've used - apparently incorrectly (you've failed to confirm this btw) is clarified for you - it all goes postal? I mean wtf? Here the charter - please point out the bit regarding clarifying if a word is correct? https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057989814/1/#post110608059 ie . Your comment is simply coming across as twisted tbh.

As stated the main thing I've previously pointed out about a very small number of climate change 'screamers' was the use of hysteria.
Your comments are not showing anyone otherwise tbh. In all seriousness though your comments are not even making any sense imo.

As you are now just derailing the discussion - I will leave you at it ...

bfa1509

Apart from man-made environmental disasters such as oil spills, plastic filled oceans and the likes, which are all terrible; I think it's a slim-nil chance humans have anything to do with climate change (the so called "science" the tree-huggers drone on about is scant at best). This Greta is no exception, she comes out with the most stereotypical, catchphrasey crap I've ever heard. I feel sorry for her for the traction she has gained.

Aside from this, I have huge respect for her for getting a yacht across the atlantic! But could I be forgiven for smelling an element of bullsh!ttery about the whole thing? How do we know she won't just pull a 180 around the harbor and just jet over there next month?

I hope she proves me wrong...

screamer

She might be regreta after this trip if it goes wrong, if she gets stranded or into trouble out on the high seas, how does she think she’ll be rescued..... by diesel and petrol burning vehicles.
Seriously, great ideals but no idea about the real world. She can sail on.

gozunda

screamer wrote: »

She might be regreta after this trip if it goes wrong, if she gets stranded or into trouble out on the high seas, how does she think she’ll be rescued..... by diesel and petrol burning vehicles.
Seriously, great ideals but no idea about the real world. She can sail on.

I've sailed a small bit of the Atlantic and a fair bit of the mediterrrean and the Aegean and tbh it is certainly not for the faint hearted. I was once caught in a force 11 storm and I can tell you that was nearly enough to put me off for life tbh. Bringing a couple land lubbers across the Atlantic ocean on a very basic provisioned racing yacht (no toilets and a tiny tiny amount of space per person) is frankly a ridiculous PR stunt. I hope they dont regret it.

MarquisDeSad

Nermal wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Again fascinating. It's almost if people are ignoring what issues she is directly pointing at and just pointing at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating. Look at this fellas hate for her. As I said earlier in the thread it is fascinating to see the emotive ire directed at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Change the record.

Fascinating memes now. Fascinating to see you point your finger away from Greta at me now.

moonage

Greta's boat trip just further demonises CO2.

CO2 is the gas of life and the current levels are fine and would still be even if they doubled or trebled. Higher CO2 levels lead to a wonderful greening effect on the planet.

All this "climate crisis" nonsense is just an excuse to bring about more centralised world governance.

biko

When you put a person in front of a movement she becomes the movement, embodies it.
That is why people are so interested in her.

She started skipping school, for the climate. So the kids joined.
She asking the workers to strike for the climate. The unions said no.


A friend in Malaysia just posted about her on FB, that's how far her fame have reached, at 16.
I just hope her parents don't drive her too hard.

4068ac1elhodqr

Isn't there a rake of atlantic storms due?
Imagine launching an array of Seakings risking emergency services would cancel out any carbon savings.

An absail off the Shard and a few printed t-shirts would've done the job.
Or some actual solution-based ideas, such as forcing airlines to do away with 1st class altogether to squeeze more on.

Moghead

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I might suggest she stay at home and lobby her new found friends to switch from Formula one hosting to electric car racing.

Not trying to drag the thread off topic but there is a round of the formula E electric car racing championship in Monaco.

beauf

Moghead wrote: »

Not trying to drag the thread off topic but there is a round of the formula E electric car racing championship in Monaco.

Lots of potential there....

How is she getting back from NY ...?