The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121635000#Comment_121635000

Other sports compete with the GAA outside of Dublin. I don't why you persist with this fantasy that this is not the case after it being explained to you so many times. And Dublin don't have disadvantages- what they really have is a unique combination of funding, population and home pitch advantage on a scale and combination that makes differences between other counties negligible in comparison.

Splitting Dublin would be a larger draw for viewership as without splitting them the game will wither away due to the correctly observed unfairness of Dublin winning off a platform of unfair advantages. So it's more true to saw that not splitting Dublin would be a disaster from a marketing point of view.

No new stadium is required- see my previous posts where I comprehensively dealt with this. Re: hurling splits, it would depend how much funding they have received relative to the footballers- as I've said before, pre-exclusive overfunding of Dublin at the expense of everyone, only a two-way split of Dublin was warranted in my view. Kerry don't win 10 in a row, but Dublin might without a split. Even if they only win 1, they are still unfairly advantaged.

Voluntary mergers can be considered if counties want them, I'm not opposed to that, but Dublin should be split regardless.

[To Pre-empt dunnerc's reply- I don't want to just split Dublin to help my own county, splitting Dublin helps Leitrim, Carlow and Longford, funding and population gaps between Cork and Galway vs Leitrim are negligible compared to Dublin's advantages in those areas, this is a friendly conversation not a campaign]

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121635547#Comment_121635547

While there may actually be merit to this given how crazily unfair the status quo is, I'd like to see Dublin players continue to compete for Sam Maguire, just in their divisional sides. Moving them to the Railway Cup would mean we can't see some of their great players acquit themselves.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638568#Comment_121638568

while It’s by the by, I’d say a fairly large proportion of intercounty fans aren’t club members. Especially in Dublin.

Look, I think personally if you think a split will happen; fair enough. People talk too much about identity in sports teams when in actual real life, fans are prepared to get behind any made up allegiance once it’s successful. See Leinster rugby for proof of that. See the support Liverpool or man utd have in Ireland and you’ll soon realize success is at least as big a draw to fans as identity.

but this idea you have that south dublin can be a thing while playing at home on the north side makes everything else you say fall asunder. In the unlikely event a split happens, I can assure you croke park won’t be hosting the south’s team. And since building a stadium from scratch in Ireland is virtually unheard of, that makes a split extremely difficult.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638568#Comment_121638568

No it wouldn't your talking pure nonsense.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638614#Comment_121638614

Splitting Dublin would only helps a handful of Counties , i don't know why you persist with this fantasy that this is not the case 😏

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638618#Comment_121638618

Dublin players will compete for Sam Maguire as one County as always thanks .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638711#Comment_121638711

Just to be clear, I don't think it will happen anytime soon, I just think it should happen, so the GAA as a whole can benefit. I agree entirely about your points re: Leinster specifically (How many people identified as a Leinster supporter in 1990?). It's not even something I want for personal reasons, if Dublin were winning on a level playing-field I wouldn't mind their success (on the contrary, as a neutral I congratulate any county who wins fairly) but sadly this is not the case for Dublin. So with a heavy heart I have concluded they should be split to help all counties.

I don't think you can "assure" me that Croke Park wouldn't host a South Dublin team as it hasn't happened yet. I also think it is easily workable for fixture scheduling and not that important for supporters for the reasons previously given. But most importantly it is is far better than the alternatives e.g., Spend hundreds of millions on building a new stadium, not splitting Dublin and watch the GAA continue to be damaged as a fair competition due to the continued unfairness etc.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121639119#Comment_121639119

Actually just to be clear the GAA as a whole would not benefit , " with a heavy heart " you absolute chancer , You don't care about the GAA , all you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County. Where is your input /interest in all the other GAA threads on this site ?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638618#Comment_121638618

We could always bring in a granny rule and they can represent a county they're connected to for the AI.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121639409#Comment_121639409

Talk about caring about the GAA. Do you realise how much damage Dublin's dominance has done to intercounty GAA in Leinster over the last 15 year's? Huge damage done interest almost zero.

dunnerc

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/meath-legend-bernard-flynn-hits-out-at-royal-chiefs-over-decade-of-decline/a2105265459.html

From one of your own .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121639409#Comment_121639409

This is the most important issue facing the GAA so I tend to focus on it more than other areas.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653413#Comment_121653413

Hmmmmm , I don't believe that ! All you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County , you don't care about the weaker Counties , your fooling no one .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121653413#Comment_121653413

I should have known !! i was right all along , you don't care about the weaker Counties , With your 38 All Irelands and 84 Munster titles , you couldn't give a fiddlers fart about Limerick Waterford Clare and Tipp , You are a " KERRYMAN " Its all so clear now why you want Dublin split !! As i said you are fooling no one .

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Ace2007 wrote: »

What about Mayo Cynical fouling throughout the game, the holding back and dragging out of Dublin players off camera so they couldn't support the player in possession, is this ok because it wasn't caught on camera, and wasn't in the last 10 mins? It's being highlighted throughout the championship, but when the Dubs do it - the whole country goes mad at them.

What you think Mayo would have done if 2 points ahead with 5 minutes to go - knowing the history involved - would they have let Dublin play attacking football running through the defence, without taking the man down?

I think you missed the part where I said I'd no particular problem with the fouling as any team would do it were they in Dublin's position, I just have a problem with Dublin fans taking pride in it.

Muff Richardson wrote: »

how was the homecoming? good craic in the castlebar was it? looks like u got plenty of free chips for your shoulder and a good few sour grapes...better luck next year. roll on the treble.

I'm from Kerry.

Yeah Right

My money is on either Meath or Mayo, btw, going purely on bitterness alone.

So, Kerryman it is then. I was wrong, I owe you a pint Dunner.

It's no wonder you wouldn't reveal your true colours, it just goes to show how obscene all the guff you've been spouting truly is..........."for the good of the game.......It'll benefit Dublin.........I'm only thinking about helping the smaller counties........." Yeah, pal, sure you are.

As predicted, a whole stinking pile of partisan paddywhackery, masquerading as altruism, when deep down, it's just a load of piss and vinegar because the Dubs won 5 (and then 6) in a row while the greatest Kerry team of all time were undone by Seamus Darby's only kick of the ball back in 1982.

Life's too short to be drinking bad wine, so we'll leave you to your sour grapes, so.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121655081#Comment_121655081

Not at all, arguments stand and fall on their own merits, where someone is from is irrelevant. So splitting Dublin is for the good of the game, it will benefit Dublin, it will help the smaller counties and all the other benefits that have been mentioned in this friendly discussion still hold true. If Dublin won fairly, I and others wouldn't mind, but that's just not the case. For instance, Tyrone won in 2021 and I'd no objections with that, Donegal in 2012 etc. I just don't like teams winning (or competing from) an unfairly advantaged position, as is the case with Dublin.

dunnerc

Go away with your bitter anti Dublin nonsense , it wouldn't help Dublin , but surprise surprise it would most definitely help Kerry , what about poor Limerick Waterford Clare etc ? 84 Munster titles , they haven't a hope in hell and your mouthing off about splitting Dublin, shame on you , you absolute chancer.

gaffer91

Splitting Dublin would help Kerry. But it would also help Dublin. And Limerick, Waterford and Clare. It helps every county, as I've proved numerous times. So it's no exactly "anti-Dublin" to be proposing a reform that would help Dublin and the GAA in Dublin massively.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121655859#Comment_121655859

You have proved absolutely nothing, except that your a chancer, and are only out to help Kerry , as has been said over and over again, splitting Dublin would only help a handful of Counties Kerry being the main one , is 38 all Irelands and a total domination of Muster football not enough for you ? Shame on you !! Again as I've been saying all along, splitting Dublin would not help Limerick Waterford Clare Leitrim Carlow Longford etc , you have been found out , you are no GAA fan , you care for no one but Kerry , shocking stuff indeed , but thankfully you've been found out you bitter bitter little Kerry Man !!

Yeah Right

"Where someone comes from is irrelevant" says the man that had been refusing to divulge that info for more than a decade 😂😂😂😂😂

And no, you haven't proven anything numerous times, you haven't even proven it once. You've put forward your arguments, avoided multiple attempts at getting you to explain your position further, and shown that you are completely biased in all of your posts on this matter.

Remember all that copying and pasting when you were referring to previous answers to avoid having to answer the current ones? Your entire argument was already in the toilet. This latest bit of info just proves that Dunner was right about you from the get go. A sad, spiteful, bitter, hypocrite who spends his time pretending he wants to help the Dubs through clenched teeth, while stabbing his voodoo doll wearing an Arnotts jersey when he's on his own.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656283#Comment_121656283

As I said, arguments stand on their own merits- I don't immediately disregard your argument just because you are a Dublin supporter who refuses to accept that a split helps Dublin, despite being repeatedly presented with overwhelming evidence that proves this is in fact the case. All this despite the fact that partisanship is actually the crux of your argument! Rather than a desire to help all counties as in my case.

I make no bones about the fact I want all counties to helped by splitting Dublin, none at all. I've stated that repeatedly.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656001#Comment_121656001

I want a level playing-field and for all counties to be helped. I've said that over and over. Any county who participates in Sam Maguire is helped by a split of Dublin, for the reaons already given. The truth is you only care about Dublin so it fact you is who is not a GAA fan. Even though despite what you think splitting Dublin which you oppose will actually help the GAA in Dublin!

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656563#Comment_121656563

Oh stop with your nonsense . you have been found out , Kerry v /Limerick/ Waterford /Clare is not a level playing field , 84 Munster titles v what 6 for these Counties in total your fooling nobody ,also Leitrim Longford Carlow etc would never be able to compete with the mighty Kerry. Splitting Dublin would not help Dublin "we are doing fine thanks very much " it would help Kerry and a few other Counties end of , I have stated many times if Dublin is to be split Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc would have to be split also , its you who refuses to see this would have to be done to help the weaker Counties , Again you are fooling no one its clear you only want Dublin split to help Kerry , run along now you have made a right idiot of yourself .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656551#Comment_121656551

Again you have produced nothing apart from the fact you were trying to hide the fact that you are a Kerry supporter , and wants Dublin split to help Kerry win yet more All Irelands .As i have said many times the only way splitting Dublin would help the weaker Counties is if Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc are split also and mergers would have to happen also , any way you have been found out and you have been shown up to be a bitter jealous little Kerry man .

dunnerc

Any chance we can now close this farce of a thread please ?

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656551#Comment_121656551

Repeating the same bullsh1t every 15 minutes is not overwhelming evidence. It's not even evidence. It's your opinion, and it also happens to be completely incorrect. Splitting Dublin will kill GAA in this county. It won't help Dublin at all, you're pretending you think like that and you're pretending that you want to help Dublin, when the real outcome is that Dublin will be severely compromised and will fall away from the top table, making it easier for the counties playing catch-up to overtake them. Counties like Mayo and your own county, but you just keep on pretending like that's not the real reason you want them split.

For the record, I didn't immediately disregard your arguments because of where you're from (we didn't know that at the time, remember, you were literally hiding your true colours at the time?). I immediately disregarded your arguments because they were nonsense, hypocritical, meritless and completely without foundation. It's like debating with a 5 year old. You keep putting out this spurious bullsh1t, declaring it as fact and saying it's the 'only way', then claiming later that your claims are 'evidence'.

Turns out you're just a bitter, envious little Kerryman who's crying foul because the big boys took your ball and instead of putting in the work to become big yourself, you're trying to get the big boys grounded.

It's actually fairly pathetic, really. You have my pity.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656563#Comment_121656563

A level playing field in football requires Kerry to be split as the most successful county in order to level out the advantages that they had for a century.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658886#Comment_121658886

What advantages?

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121656938#Comment_121656938

I think we should keep it going, a lot of good new points are being raised.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658397#Comment_121658397

But that's not what I've done; I've presented overwhelming evidence as to how Dublin are unfairly advantaged (population, funding, playing at home) and how splitting them helps to mitigate the damage these advantages have done and continue to do to the GAA. And also how the split helps all counties- from more competitive ones like Dublin, Kerry, Mayo right down to Leitrim, Waterford and Carlow.

What I want is for the GAA to be helped, including Dublin. A healthy, fair competition helps everyone. An unhealthy, unfair competition harms everyone. So Dublin's recent success matters for little (in fact, it is bad both for the GAA as a whole and Dublin specifically as it has been obtained from such an unfair platform).

And as I've said arguments stand and fall on their own merits. If you can't grapple with the issues then that's fair enough, I can't force you, but it means you have lost the debate.

So I've answered all relevant questions, shown how Dublin are unfairly advantaged, shown how success built off these unfair advantages hurts the GAA and how splitting Dublin helps to rectify things. I'm happy to provide the evidence again if you would like though.