The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661218#Comment_121661218

Minor discrepancies?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munster_Senior_Football_Championship

84 titles is not a minor discrepancy. If there is to be a level playing field, something needs to be done about Kerry's dominance in Munster.

Really, as I said already, do posters want a level playing field, or do they just want to create an advantage for their own county team?

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661837#Comment_121661837

You're coming from a position where the status quo is fair and can be justified- you need to drop this notion, Dublin are unfairly advantaged over everyone else, for the reasons already given. So the prestige, integrity and fairness of the All-Ireland are enhanced by steps taken to ameliorate this unfairness, such as by splitting Dublin. So in fact I have answered your question already and blown your argument out of the water in the process! Your refusal to actually address my questions is quite telling. Your hypocrisy in telling me to address your points, doubly so.

I've comprehensively addressed this question already but will do so again. Splitting Dublin enhances the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition as they are so unfairly advantaged at the moment. This helps all counties, right down to Leitrim. By splitting them, competitiveness and interest will increase for all counties as people rightfully are getting tired of a competition which is so stacked in favour of one team. Benefits will be marginal to begin with but will be massive as the years progress (in an inverse of Dublin's overfunding was marginally harmful to begin with but then became catastophic for the GAA). So after Dublin are split and as the benefits go up, Leitrim's chances of winning the All-Ireland will improve, no question about it. You're again ignoring the devastating impact of the continuation of the status quo- Dublin win unfairly, interest and competitiveness drop and the game withers away like the Railway Cup (or even the Leinster Championship)- in this case, Letirim's chances would disimprove, if the competition even continued to exist. So taking your highly contrived scenario, Leitrim would go to 90/1 after a split and things would get even better for them from there, as it would for all counties, including Dublin.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661850#Comment_121661850

But I didn't contradict myself. I've been fully consistent- Dublin alone are unfairly advantaged, this harms everyone and splitting them reduces this unfairness. It's not a windup to want what is best for the GAA.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662061#Comment_121662061

I want to create a level playing field, which is best done by splitting Dublin. Again you're looking at the outputs- the inputs into the success are more important. Kilkenny winning all round them from 2006-12 was not a problem as they were not doing it from an unfairly advantaged position, unlike in Dublin's who benefited massively from population, funding and home pitch advantage. Similarly, Dublin not winning every year doesn't mean they weren't unfairly advantaged- say a team starts with a 5-point headstart every game; even if they don't win they are still unfairly advantaged.

Basically, winning fairly is fine. Unfairly, as in Dublin's case, is a big problem and steps need to be taken to address it to level the playing field. The single best way to do that is by splitting Dublin.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662087#Comment_121662087

Weasel words, copy & paste job, refusal to answer the question. As predicted.

You, sir, are a fraud.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662091#Comment_121662091

You are so far removed from what you are saying that you're getting confused.

That question wasn't anything to do with Dublin or the GAA or advantages.

It was about your tenuous grasp of the English language and how you were contradicting your own words.

I accused you of avoiding questions by saying "already answered that", you said you didn't avoid any, and I gave an example of one such question, and asked you to answer it.

You then replied to that question with "already answered that".

GET. THE. BLEEDIN. BOAT.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662061#Comment_121662061

Well we know the answer to that one

The Kerry Man is fooling no one

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662106#Comment_121662106

I have already pointed out how Kerry are in an advantaged position in football compared to say Sligo or Roscommon. In your opinion, it is not an unfair advantage, but to others it may well be.

Who annointed you as the arbitrator of which advantage is fair or unfair? There is no objective definition of fairness. I have already shared with you a perspective that determines Dublin have no unfair advantage.

Billy_the_Kid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662043#Comment_121662043

Not a shred of reason or logic. Might as well be splitting New York hurlers for those reasons - population and "potentially funding". Silly stuff.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662091#Comment_121662091

Again Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc are unfairly advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , you don't want what's best for the GAA , You want Dublin split so your own County can dominate, you are fooling no one .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662120#Comment_121662120

Not all, just a direct response to a question I had already responded to multiple times. You asked me what the new odds would be for Leitrim after a split. Using your three options, I said 90/1 and explained why for good measure. Now you're saying I didn't answer the question. I'm starting to think you live in your own reality. You should start engaging with topics rather than just denying everything that contradicts your world view.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662155#Comment_121662155

I had already answered that- you saying I hadn't doesn't make it true, you're generally extremely inaccurate in almost everything you say. As I already explained, you asked me what the new odds would be in your hypothetical scenario which I answered, despite having no obligation to do so. I had already comprehensively explained that topic to you before.

To reiterate- splitting Dublin alone helps all counties.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662739#Comment_121662739

Pot kettle black 🙄

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662206#Comment_121662206

I mean, you can "point out" that the sky is green and that grass is blue but that doesn't make it accurate. To anyone with a neutral interpretation of the situation, it's obvious and has been proven that Dublin are unfairly advantaged in population, funding, playing at home vs everyone else. These are advantages in sport, including the GAA, there is no doubt about it. I alone am not the arbitrator but I'm just someone who can see things in a neutral way, unlike many of the hyper-partisan fans who cannot even bring themselves to admit Dublin are advantaged, never mind split! Nobody thinking rationally and fairly can take that view seriously.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662230#Comment_121662230

Well we'd have to see how what the funding breakdown was for the hurlers. We do know Dublin has a population advantage- as I said before, and the GAA formerly did long before Dublin's current success, population alone is grounds for a two-way split for Dublin, All-Irelands or not. It's sadly only the decades of overfunding and other advantages that mean that now a 4+ split is necessary.

Billy_the_Kid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662783#Comment_121662783

Is population alone grounds to split New York?

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662783#Comment_121662783

And again more nonsense from this Kerry poster , we do know CORK KERRY GALWAY MAYO etc have population advantage and funding advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , but he is not interested in this , all he is interested in is weakening Dublin , to help his own County Kerry dominate , your only fooling yourself you jealous bitter little Kerry Man .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662774#Comment_121662774

Its obvious Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc are unfairly advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc there is no doubt about it, you are just someone who wants there County which is "KERRY" to dominate , You don't care about weaker Counties , think about the poor Waterford Clare Limerick supporters dominated by the Kerry for more than a century , a level playing field you claim you want ? only answer is to Split Kerry .

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662774#Comment_121662774

But unfortunately, because of where you are from, you don't have a neutral interpretation of the situation and neither can you see things in a neutral way.

I have previously proposed the splitting of both Dublin and Kerry (at least) to be accompanied at the same time by amalgamations of other counties as a possible way to rebalance the All-Ireland Championship and would lead to a much leveller playing field than your biased approach.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662835#Comment_121662835

No, Dublin alone should be split. We're talking about Gaelic Gaelic which are generally only played by Irish people. (Before anyone says, I am aware 15-20% of the population in Dublin is foreign-born; even accounting for this Dublin have an enormous advantage and this is reflected in playing numbers. If we want to dig into minutiae, we should look at playing-age player pool which favours Dublin even more than other counties, providing yet more reasons for them alone to be split)

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662948#Comment_121662948

I do- it's because I can see things in a neutral way that I want Dublin to be split. As I've said before I don't mind teams winning fairly, it's only when the success comes from an unfairly advantaged position, as Dublin's has, that I have an issue with it.

Voluntary amalgamations can be offered but Dublin should be split regardless, for the good of the game. This is because Dublin alone are uniquely unfairly advantaged. This is what would really improve the All-Ireland competition.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663000#Comment_121663000

No if Dublin is to be split Kerry and possibly a few more would have to be split also, we should look at the Munster situation 84 Munster titles total domination yet more reasons for Kerry to be split .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663009#Comment_121663009

Because you want Kerry to be the dominant County is why you want Dublin split , as i have said before 84 Munster titles alone is reason enough for Kerry to be split

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663009#Comment_121663009

Nonsense, it is absolutely 100% clear now that you have zero interest in a level-playing field.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663088#Comment_121663088

Agreed blanch its as clear as day what this guy is up to , a level-playing field !! as you say Nonsense .

mobby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663009#Comment_121663009

"Dublin are uniquely unfairly advantaged" Would you get up the yard? for years Kerry would have to play one maybe serious game in Munster, into a AL semi-get an Ulster team when Ulster was the poor relation of the GAA into a final and then anything could happen (thank you Mr. Aldridge 78) The not-quite-so-cute Kerry man has been found out.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663253#Comment_121663253

Once again, as I've explained before, you are just looking at the outputs (i.e. success) and not the inputs into that success. So it's not the fact teams are successful or not, it's whether that success has come from a fair or unfair position. In Dublin's case, we have conclusively determined that their success has come from an unfair position due to the unique combination, scale, nature and duration of the advantages they have enjoyed and continue to enjoy in population, funding, home pitch and other areas. There are discrepancies between other counties but Dublin alone are a complete outlier in all of these areas. So if they were winning fairly, I and other wouldn't mind but this has been shown to not be the case. Kerry don't enjoy these advantages over other Munster teams. Similarly, not winning doesn't mean you aren't unfairly advantaged- Dublin were always unfairly advantaged due to their population advantage, even before their current success, they just didn't (fully) capitalise on it but it was still an unfair advantage.

I do agree Provincials should be abolished- should have happened decades ago and look at what an uncompetitive shambles Leinster in particular has become since Dublin's funding advantage has taken off. But whatever happens to the Provincial Championships, Dublin should 100% be split for the benefit of the GAA.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664244#Comment_121664244

Once again ,as i have explained many many times in Kerry's case , we have conclusively proven that there success has come from an unfair advantage , due to there unique combination nature and duration being in Munster and there population and funding advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , now if Kerrys success was won fairly , i and others wouldn't mind , but this has been shown not to be the case

The provincials should be abolished , it should have happened decades ago , look at what an uncompetitive shambles Munster in particular has been for over 100 years , Kerry 84 Munster titles helping them winning 38 All Ireland titles from an unfair advantage compared to Ulster in Particular

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662753#Comment_121662753

You avoided answering the question by referring to previous answers that had SFA to do with the question.

I pointed this out to you, citing it as an example of how you avoided answering questions and asked you to answer it again.

Your answer was "I've already answered that".

Now that I've pulled you up on THAT response, your reply, to absolutely nobody's surprise, you're claiming it has already been answered.

You have to be extracting the urine with this nonsense.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664759#Comment_121664759

But you were lying when you said I hadn't answered the question, just as you lied when I said I hadn't answered questions previously. I had answered the question. For instance, you asked me to say what I thought the new odds would be for Leitrim after a split and I selected one of your three options, and explained why for good measure. You then lied and said I didn't answer the question. When this was pointed out, you just ignored the response. As I said, you seem to live in your reality. I'm happy to keep explaining things to you, it is good to inform you but you should actually engage with the issues rather than just continuing to lie and lie.

But like this is a side issue. The main thing is Dublin win based off an unfairly advantaged platform of massive population, funding and home pitch advantages over every other county. They should be split to disperse these advantages into several teams rather than concentrating them into one. This enhanced prestige, integrity and fairness will benefit every county who takes place in the competition.