I have proposed something that helps Leitrim, Longford and Carlow. And helps Waterford, Limerick and Clare. And that something is splitting Dublin. This helps all counties.
As I've said before all you want is to weaken Dublin to help your County Kerry , splitting Dublin will do nothing for the weaker Counties, Kerry Cork Galway Mayo Down etc would have to be split also and mergers too . You have been found out and are fooling no one .
This sad individual has to be on the wind up , Kerry Cork Down Galway Mayo etc have both population and funding advantages over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , but doesn't give a monkeys about these Counties , just like he doesn't give a monkeys about Waterford Clare Limerick in Munster , all he is after is weakening Dublin to help his own County Kerry remain the dominant force in inter County football. This farce of a thread needs to be shut down its ridiculous going around in circles .
Answered in the other post- I have been very patient with you but you should at least try to answer the points raised rather than pretending I haven't answered you. You have failed to answer the questions I put to you however- as I said, your projection is strong.
As I've said before, minor discrepancies can be tolerated but the scale, nature, combination and duration of Dublin's advantages mean they should be split. And they alone- nobody else even comes close. And it's not a perception- it's been repeatedly proven how playing pool, funding, playing at home etc. are advantages in sport. Any one of these individually would be an issue but combine them for decades as in Dublin's case and it's a big, big problem for the GAA. The Games Development funding helps the senior team (due to players ageing and reduced opportunity cost from other spending) but most importantly, Dublin alone were favoured again here.
I already answered that, repeatedly, but happy to humour you and answer it again. If Dublin are split, New York are helped in several way. One, because the unfair advantages Dublin currently enjoy are no longer concentrated into a single team but are instead dispersed among several. But more importantly, as the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition are enhanced (due to less unfairness because Dublin alone are no longer uniquely unfairly advantaged), interest and competitiveness will increase, helping all counties in the longer term, including Dublin.
I think maybe the problem here is you are not considering the alternative. Without splitting Dublin, they'll continue to win off a platform of advantages that it's obvious to everyone is unfair. Interest is declining as people don't want to compete in a competition where one team alone is uniquely unfairly advantaged. So without spltting Dublin, the All-Ireland competition will wither away, which will be immensely harmful. You also seen to persist in the fixed, false belief that Dublin alone are not uniquely advantaged and that their successes have come fairly. Once you let go of this idea, reality will become a lot plainer.
Essentially it boils down to:
Winning unfairly = bad for everyone
Steps to reduce unfairness = good for everyone
More nonsense , you have been found out , you are fooling no one , its all so clear why you want Dublin split , you have made a right idiot of yourself .
Nope. You haven't. 4th time saying it now. Repeat it again and you'll have 5 in a row, which is unique for a Kerryman 😘. You can be King Puck this year.
Also, for the record, I've accused you of avoiding questions by fobbing me off, usually by saying "refer to my previous answers".
Your reply to this accusation is to ask "which questions have I done that with" and, when I gave you one single example, you then say "please refer to my previous answers", thereby proving my point.
You can at least see the contradiction and irony in this reply, yes? And why everyone else thinks you're on the wind up?
The 3 club football titles went to Ulster teams.
Again, I have done so repeatedly- please review my previous posts. The opinions are valid as they based off truth and evidence, which are both repeatedly cited in the formulation of the argument.
Kerry Cork Mayo Galway Down are unfairly advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc both in funding and population , but you don't care about weaker Counties , all you care about is weakening Dublin to help Kerry , your fooling no one !
That's exactly what you have done !! you have presented nothing , Again it wouldn't help Dublin , it wouldnt' help Waterford, Clare , Limerick , Leitrim ,Longford Carlow etc , it would only help a handful of Counties mainly your own the Mighty Kerry , go away with your nonsense , your fooling no one .
If you want a level playing field, you need to get rid of all advantages. It is your perception that Dublin's advantages are unfair, but it may well be that others perceive the advantages held by Kerry (small province with others focussed on hurling, tradition, etc.) to be unfair. You don't hold the right to determine which advantage is fair and which advantage is unfair. There have been a lot of arguments that the GDOs in Dublin are a fair advantage (if they even are one) because of their objective to increase juvenile participation trumps any notion of level playing field at senior inter-county level. After all, you can only put 15 players on the pitch.
If you split Dublin because of finance, you must also split Limerick in hurling, if you split Dublin because of population, you must also split and merge other counties, otherwise your talk of a level playing field is just talk.
Please refer me to questions I haven't answered. If I have already answered them, as has always been the case in our discussions so far, then I will just refer you back to my previous answers.
I asked you how splitting Dublin helps New York's or Leitrim's chances, seeing as they've never played Dublin and only ever gotten to the stage where it's possible to meet them twice in about 150 attempts between them. You said it enhances the prestige and integrity of the competition, which doesn't help them at all and is a non-answer. You avoided the question by waving it away with a load of nonsense.
Dublin GAA has had zero bearing on the fortunes of either Leitrim or NY for more than a century, increasing the number of Dublin teams (which would all be better then both counties mentioned) does nothing to change that. In fact, it HARMS their chances, as there are now three extra teams with better teams than they have in the mix. Their chances of meeting a better Dublin team have quadrupled, which harm's their chances. Not improves them.
You're full of crap. Again.
Yea like we found out your a bitter sly little Kerry Man , who wants Kerry to win All Irelands unchallenged by splitting Dublin , you are fooling no one you sad individual.
You haven't, for the third time, done anything of the sort.
You've put forward your arguments for WHY you think this, but that doesn't mean it's valid. Or true. Or evidence.
You can keep repeating yourself all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're talking out of your hole.
Not at all, I've provided plenty of factual evidence about how the discrepancies in population, funding etc exist, are harmful and exclusively benefit Dublin. Evidence is evidence. And I've explained how splitting Dublin helps to deal with these issues and helps all counties. I think the issue is that you think the status quo is fair- it isn't, for the reasons outlined numerous times. There can be no pride in Dublin's recent successes, coming as they have from an unfairly advantaged position. You've yet to explain how Dublin's advantages are fair, help the competition, shouldn't be dealt with though- as I said before, your projection is real and somewhat strange.
I want a level playing field as I said but this requires Dublin alone to be split as they are the only team uniquely unfairly advantaged. A level playing field doesn't mean nobody wins, or even wins repeatedly, it just means one team alone isn't unfairly advantaged like Dublin are now.
No, you haven't. You've given your opinion on these matters and your opinion is a) wrong,b) biased and c) contradictory on many, if not all, of them. Opinions aren't evidence. You've also continually shot down any attempts to explore your opinions further with wishy washy bullcrap about integrity and prestige, as if demolishing the current best football team so that your own football team has a chance to start winning again wouldn't immediately strip any competition of all its prestige and integrity.
You've actively avoided questions that were directly asked of you. You've fobbed other questions off by saying "same as my previous answer" when that previous answer had nothing to do with the current ones. You were literally cherrypicking the questions you thought you had a reply to and avoiding the rest.
Your argument is in the toilet. Your entire viewpoint is tainted. And you're now trying to claim that your crackpot opinions are evidence of some kind.
"Dig up, stupid."
Either you want a level playing field which you claim, or you want some counties to have an advantage of some kind. Which is it?
Not at all- success in and of itself isn't an issue, only success that has come from an unfairly advantaged position, as in Dublin's case. Dublin have a the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages in the form of population, funding and playing at home, amongst other things. So Kilkenny's success from 2006-12 is rightly not consider an issue as they weren't unfairly advantaged. The inverse is also true though- not winning every year but being unfairly advantaged means steps should still be taken to reduce these unfair advantages- so for instance, Dublin should still have been split before 2011, as the GAA previously proposed.
But that's not what I've done; I've presented overwhelming evidence as to how Dublin are unfairly advantaged (population, funding, playing at home) and how splitting them helps to mitigate the damage these advantages have done and continue to do to the GAA. And also how the split helps all counties- from more competitive ones like Dublin, Kerry, Mayo right down to Leitrim, Waterford and Carlow.
What I want is for the GAA to be helped, including Dublin. A healthy, fair competition helps everyone. An unhealthy, unfair competition harms everyone. So Dublin's recent success matters for little (in fact, it is bad both for the GAA as a whole and Dublin specifically as it has been obtained from such an unfair platform).
And as I've said arguments stand and fall on their own merits. If you can't grapple with the issues then that's fair enough, I can't force you, but it means you have lost the debate.
So I've answered all relevant questions, shown how Dublin are unfairly advantaged, shown how success built off these unfair advantages hurts the GAA and how splitting Dublin helps to rectify things. I'm happy to provide the evidence again if you would like though.
I think we should keep it going, a lot of good new points are being raised.
What advantages?
A level playing field in football requires Kerry to be split as the most successful county in order to level out the advantages that they had for a century.
Repeating the same bullsh1t every 15 minutes is not overwhelming evidence. It's not even evidence. It's your opinion, and it also happens to be completely incorrect. Splitting Dublin will kill GAA in this county. It won't help Dublin at all, you're pretending you think like that and you're pretending that you want to help Dublin, when the real outcome is that Dublin will be severely compromised and will fall away from the top table, making it easier for the counties playing catch-up to overtake them. Counties like Mayo and your own county, but you just keep on pretending like that's not the real reason you want them split.
For the record, I didn't immediately disregard your arguments because of where you're from (we didn't know that at the time, remember, you were literally hiding your true colours at the time?). I immediately disregarded your arguments because they were nonsense, hypocritical, meritless and completely without foundation. It's like debating with a 5 year old. You keep putting out this spurious bullsh1t, declaring it as fact and saying it's the 'only way', then claiming later that your claims are 'evidence'.
Turns out you're just a bitter, envious little Kerryman who's crying foul because the big boys took your ball and instead of putting in the work to become big yourself, you're trying to get the big boys grounded.
It's actually fairly pathetic, really. You have my pity.
Any chance we can now close this farce of a thread please ?
Again you have produced nothing apart from the fact you were trying to hide the fact that you are a Kerry supporter , and wants Dublin split to help Kerry win yet more All Irelands .As i have said many times the only way splitting Dublin would help the weaker Counties is if Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc are split also and mergers would have to happen also , any way you have been found out and you have been shown up to be a bitter jealous little Kerry man .
Oh stop with your nonsense . you have been found out , Kerry v /Limerick/ Waterford /Clare is not a level playing field , 84 Munster titles v what 6 for these Counties in total your fooling nobody ,also Leitrim Longford Carlow etc would never be able to compete with the mighty Kerry. Splitting Dublin would not help Dublin "we are doing fine thanks very much " it would help Kerry and a few other Counties end of , I have stated many times if Dublin is to be split Kerry Cork Galway Mayo etc would have to be split also , its you who refuses to see this would have to be done to help the weaker Counties , Again you are fooling no one its clear you only want Dublin split to help Kerry , run along now you have made a right idiot of yourself .
I want a level playing-field and for all counties to be helped. I've said that over and over. Any county who participates in Sam Maguire is helped by a split of Dublin, for the reaons already given. The truth is you only care about Dublin so it fact you is who is not a GAA fan. Even though despite what you think splitting Dublin which you oppose will actually help the GAA in Dublin!
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