As I said, arguments stand on their own merits- I don't immediately disregard your argument just because you are a Dublin supporter who refuses to accept that a split helps Dublin, despite being repeatedly presented with overwhelming evidence that proves this is in fact the case. All this despite the fact that partisanship is actually the crux of your argument! Rather than a desire to help all counties as in my case.
I make no bones about the fact I want all counties to helped by splitting Dublin, none at all. I've stated that repeatedly.
"Where someone comes from is irrelevant" says the man that had been refusing to divulge that info for more than a decade 😂😂😂😂😂
And no, you haven't proven anything numerous times, you haven't even proven it once. You've put forward your arguments, avoided multiple attempts at getting you to explain your position further, and shown that you are completely biased in all of your posts on this matter.
Remember all that copying and pasting when you were referring to previous answers to avoid having to answer the current ones? Your entire argument was already in the toilet. This latest bit of info just proves that Dunner was right about you from the get go. A sad, spiteful, bitter, hypocrite who spends his time pretending he wants to help the Dubs through clenched teeth, while stabbing his voodoo doll wearing an Arnotts jersey when he's on his own.
You have proved absolutely nothing, except that your a chancer, and are only out to help Kerry , as has been said over and over again, splitting Dublin would only help a handful of Counties Kerry being the main one , is 38 all Irelands and a total domination of Muster football not enough for you ? Shame on you !! Again as I've been saying all along, splitting Dublin would not help Limerick Waterford Clare Leitrim Carlow Longford etc , you have been found out , you are no GAA fan , you care for no one but Kerry , shocking stuff indeed , but thankfully you've been found out you bitter bitter little Kerry Man !!
Splitting Dublin would help Kerry. But it would also help Dublin. And Limerick, Waterford and Clare. It helps every county, as I've proved numerous times. So it's no exactly "anti-Dublin" to be proposing a reform that would help Dublin and the GAA in Dublin massively.
Go away with your bitter anti Dublin nonsense , it wouldn't help Dublin , but surprise surprise it would most definitely help Kerry , what about poor Limerick Waterford Clare etc ? 84 Munster titles , they haven't a hope in hell and your mouthing off about splitting Dublin, shame on you , you absolute chancer.
Not at all, arguments stand and fall on their own merits, where someone is from is irrelevant. So splitting Dublin is for the good of the game, it will benefit Dublin, it will help the smaller counties and all the other benefits that have been mentioned in this friendly discussion still hold true. If Dublin won fairly, I and others wouldn't mind, but that's just not the case. For instance, Tyrone won in 2021 and I'd no objections with that, Donegal in 2012 etc. I just don't like teams winning (or competing from) an unfairly advantaged position, as is the case with Dublin.
My money is on either Meath or Mayo, btw, going purely on bitterness alone.
So, Kerryman it is then. I was wrong, I owe you a pint Dunner.
It's no wonder you wouldn't reveal your true colours, it just goes to show how obscene all the guff you've been spouting truly is..........."for the good of the game.......It'll benefit Dublin.........I'm only thinking about helping the smaller counties........." Yeah, pal, sure you are.
As predicted, a whole stinking pile of partisan paddywhackery, masquerading as altruism, when deep down, it's just a load of piss and vinegar because the Dubs won 5 (and then 6) in a row while the greatest Kerry team of all time were undone by Seamus Darby's only kick of the ball back in 1982.
Life's too short to be drinking bad wine, so we'll leave you to your sour grapes, so.
I should have known !! i was right all along , you don't care about the weaker Counties , With your 38 All Irelands and 84 Munster titles , you couldn't give a fiddlers fart about Limerick Waterford Clare and Tipp , You are a " KERRYMAN " Its all so clear now why you want Dublin split !! As i said you are fooling no one .
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What about Mayo Cynical fouling throughout the game, the holding back and dragging out of Dublin players off camera so they couldn't support the player in possession, is this ok because it wasn't caught on camera, and wasn't in the last 10 mins? It's being highlighted throughout the championship, but when the Dubs do it - the whole country goes mad at them.
What you think Mayo would have done if 2 points ahead with 5 minutes to go - knowing the history involved - would they have let Dublin play attacking football running through the defence, without taking the man down?
I think you missed the part where I said I'd no particular problem with the fouling as any team would do it were they in Dublin's position, I just have a problem with Dublin fans taking pride in it.
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how was the homecoming? good craic in the castlebar was it? looks like u got plenty of free chips for your shoulder and a good few sour grapes...better luck next year. roll on the treble.
I'm from Kerry.
Hmmmmm , I don't believe that ! All you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County , you don't care about the weaker Counties , your fooling no one .
This is the most important issue facing the GAA so I tend to focus on it more than other areas.
From one of your own .
Talk about caring about the GAA. Do you realise how much damage Dublin's dominance has done to intercounty GAA in Leinster over the last 15 year's? Huge damage done interest almost zero.
We could always bring in a granny rule and they can represent a county they're connected to for the AI.
Actually just to be clear the GAA as a whole would not benefit , " with a heavy heart " you absolute chancer , You don't care about the GAA , all you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County. Where is your input /interest in all the other GAA threads on this site ?
Just to be clear, I don't think it will happen anytime soon, I just think it should happen, so the GAA as a whole can benefit. I agree entirely about your points re: Leinster specifically (How many people identified as a Leinster supporter in 1990?). It's not even something I want for personal reasons, if Dublin were winning on a level playing-field I wouldn't mind their success (on the contrary, as a neutral I congratulate any county who wins fairly) but sadly this is not the case for Dublin. So with a heavy heart I have concluded they should be split to help all counties.
I don't think you can "assure" me that Croke Park wouldn't host a South Dublin team as it hasn't happened yet. I also think it is easily workable for fixture scheduling and not that important for supporters for the reasons previously given. But most importantly it is is far better than the alternatives e.g., Spend hundreds of millions on building a new stadium, not splitting Dublin and watch the GAA continue to be damaged as a fair competition due to the continued unfairness etc.
Dublin players will compete for Sam Maguire as one County as always thanks .
Splitting Dublin would only helps a handful of Counties , i don't know why you persist with this fantasy that this is not the case 😏
No it wouldn't your talking pure nonsense.
while It’s by the by, I’d say a fairly large proportion of intercounty fans aren’t club members. Especially in Dublin.
Look, I think personally if you think a split will happen; fair enough. People talk too much about identity in sports teams when in actual real life, fans are prepared to get behind any made up allegiance once it’s successful. See Leinster rugby for proof of that. See the support Liverpool or man utd have in Ireland and you’ll soon realize success is at least as big a draw to fans as identity.
but this idea you have that south dublin can be a thing while playing at home on the north side makes everything else you say fall asunder. In the unlikely event a split happens, I can assure you croke park won’t be hosting the south’s team. And since building a stadium from scratch in Ireland is virtually unheard of, that makes a split extremely difficult.
While there may actually be merit to this given how crazily unfair the status quo is, I'd like to see Dublin players continue to compete for Sam Maguire, just in their divisional sides. Moving them to the Railway Cup would mean we can't see some of their great players acquit themselves.
Other sports compete with the GAA outside of Dublin. I don't why you persist with this fantasy that this is not the case after it being explained to you so many times. And Dublin don't have disadvantages- what they really have is a unique combination of funding, population and home pitch advantage on a scale and combination that makes differences between other counties negligible in comparison.
Splitting Dublin would be a larger draw for viewership as without splitting them the game will wither away due to the correctly observed unfairness of Dublin winning off a platform of unfair advantages. So it's more true to saw that not splitting Dublin would be a disaster from a marketing point of view.
No new stadium is required- see my previous posts where I comprehensively dealt with this. Re: hurling splits, it would depend how much funding they have received relative to the footballers- as I've said before, pre-exclusive overfunding of Dublin at the expense of everyone, only a two-way split of Dublin was warranted in my view. Kerry don't win 10 in a row, but Dublin might without a split. Even if they only win 1, they are still unfairly advantaged.
Voluntary mergers can be considered if counties want them, I'm not opposed to that, but Dublin should be split regardless.
[To Pre-empt dunnerc's reply- I don't want to just split Dublin to help my own county, splitting Dublin helps Leitrim, Carlow and Longford, funding and population gaps between Cork and Galway vs Leitrim are negligible compared to Dublin's advantages in those areas, this is a friendly conversation not a campaign]
Home ground is just one part of county identity. I think the fact that most supporters of the divisional sides would still be seeing their clubmates compete for Sam Maguire, would know they are now competing in a fairer competition etc. would be more than enough for new identities to develop. Not to mention intra-Dublin rivalries developing.
Actually no it wouldn't , not for Dublin GAA , Sorry.
Outright transfer from the county championship to a revamped railway cup would though.
Great point, this type of posters with the "Dublin bogeyman" narrative either far too blinkered or incapable of understand the larger picture. The real irony is despite all Dublin's disadvantages, not enough clubs in many areas with large catchment areas, non GAA wastelands where other sports are top dog, and Dublin has to navigate the influx of country players to Dublin club football, but Dublin still have the GAA flame burning brightly.
To be honest it is sobering thought to think where Gaelic Football would be without Dublin. Dublin have clearly raised the bar (such as revolutionising the goal keeper role, movement of players on the pitch) others have now followed. Only for Dublin we would have 20 years of teams with all their players behind the ball constantly, the Jim McGuinness template.
And the truth is whether people are from Dublin or not, Dublin are a major draw for viewership. People want to watch them. Whether it is to watch Dublin win or lose. From a marketing point of view to destroy Gaelic Football's biggest draw would be madness.
A spilt of Dublin would also require funding from the GAA - a new stadium, a new administration. Would the poster mind if the GAA funded it out of GAA pockets? We are talking Dublin prices not outside Dublin prices. Cost of land, lack of availability of land, cost of construction and so on.
Also what would happen Dublin hurling? Where would they be based? The Dublin split talk seems very ill thought out to be honest.
Take away Dublin and what would you have a Kerry 10 in a row in the next decade and AI final victories of 15 plus points?
Dublin were fortunate to win last year as it was. It was based on nous/muscle memory not the strength of the panel, IMO
The posters main gripe should not be Dublin, but the antiquated competition structure of the Gaelic Football Championship. That to me seems to be the major issue. Teams of the same ability should be playing against teams of similar ability. AKA the league. Which is why it is the best competition GAA have but for some mad reason it is not made the main competition.
As always with those who mention splits they fail to mention what would follow after that - mergers. Small counties would be merged. Would a Louthman/Meathman/Armaghman be happier if they Merged to call themselves "The Wee Royal Orchard?" Because that would be ultimately what splitting Dublin would lead to. Counties merged on a geographical basis and the creation of new 'provinces'
But strangely enough that never seems to be mentioned by such posters. They never give an opinion on mergers? It is done at club level why not County level?
No, you haven't.
You keep saying you have, but that doesn't make it true.
lets build a south dublin identity by getting them to play on the north side
As has been mentioned here many many times your not interested in the prestige integrity and fairness of the All Ireland competition ,your only interested in weakening Dublin to help your own County !
Not terribly conceived at all- as I've said before, it's the single best thing the GAA can do to help the game in all counties. South/West/East Dublin won't have to have their own stadium. The distances they'll have to travel will be extremely short relative to other larger counties and it's not practical to construct a new one or significantly expand an existing one. It's beyond obvious to anyone with a decent knowledge of intercounty GAA that this can be easily done. So there downsides are tiny (some additional hassle with scheduling fixtures to ensure no clashes) but the upsides are massive- low cost for the GAA and an immediate increase in the prestige, integrity and fairness of the All-Ireland competition.
You have comprehensively made an absolute fool of yourself again 😂
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