The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658886#Comment_121658886

Not at all- success in and of itself isn't an issue, only success that has come from an unfairly advantaged position, as in Dublin's case. Dublin have a the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages in the form of population, funding and playing at home, amongst other things. So Kilkenny's success from 2006-12 is rightly not consider an issue as they weren't unfairly advantaged. The inverse is also true though- not winning every year but being unfairly advantaged means steps should still be taken to reduce these unfair advantages- so for instance, Dublin should still have been split before 2011, as the GAA previously proposed.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660654#Comment_121660654

Either you want a level playing field which you claim, or you want some counties to have an advantage of some kind. Which is it?

Yeah Right

No, you haven't. You've given your opinion on these matters and your opinion is a) wrong,b) biased and c) contradictory on many, if not all, of them. Opinions aren't evidence. You've also continually shot down any attempts to explore your opinions further with wishy washy bullcrap about integrity and prestige, as if demolishing the current best football team so that your own football team has a chance to start winning again wouldn't immediately strip any competition of all its prestige and integrity.

You've actively avoided questions that were directly asked of you. You've fobbed other questions off by saying "same as my previous answer" when that previous answer had nothing to do with the current ones. You were literally cherrypicking the questions you thought you had a reply to and avoiding the rest.

Your argument is in the toilet. Your entire viewpoint is tainted. And you're now trying to claim that your crackpot opinions are evidence of some kind.

"Dig up, stupid."

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660682#Comment_121660682

I want a level playing field as I said but this requires Dublin alone to be split as they are the only team uniquely unfairly advantaged. A level playing field doesn't mean nobody wins, or even wins repeatedly, it just means one team alone isn't unfairly advantaged like Dublin are now.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660689#Comment_121660689

Not at all, I've provided plenty of factual evidence about how the discrepancies in population, funding etc exist, are harmful and exclusively benefit Dublin. Evidence is evidence. And I've explained how splitting Dublin helps to deal with these issues and helps all counties. I think the issue is that you think the status quo is fair- it isn't, for the reasons outlined numerous times. There can be no pride in Dublin's recent successes, coming as they have from an unfairly advantaged position. You've yet to explain how Dublin's advantages are fair, help the competition, shouldn't be dealt with though- as I said before, your projection is real and somewhat strange.

Please refer me to questions I haven't answered. If I have already answered them, as has always been the case in our discussions so far, then I will just refer you back to my previous answers.

Yeah Right

You haven't, for the third time, done anything of the sort.

You've put forward your arguments for WHY you think this, but that doesn't mean it's valid. Or true. Or evidence.

You can keep repeating yourself all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're talking out of your hole.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660595#Comment_121660595

Yea like we found out your a bitter sly little Kerry Man , who wants Kerry to win All Irelands unchallenged by splitting Dublin , you are fooling no one you sad individual.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660744#Comment_121660744

Please refer me to questions I haven't answered. If I have already answered them, as has always been the case in our discussions so far, then I will just refer you back to my previous answers.

I asked you how splitting Dublin helps New York's or Leitrim's chances, seeing as they've never played Dublin and only ever gotten to the stage where it's possible to meet them twice in about 150 attempts between them. You said it enhances the prestige and integrity of the competition, which doesn't help them at all and is a non-answer. You avoided the question by waving it away with a load of nonsense.

Dublin GAA has had zero bearing on the fortunes of either Leitrim or NY for more than a century, increasing the number of Dublin teams (which would all be better then both counties mentioned) does nothing to change that. In fact, it HARMS their chances, as there are now three extra teams with better teams than they have in the mix. Their chances of meeting a better Dublin team have quadrupled, which harm's their chances. Not improves them.

You're full of crap. Again.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660717#Comment_121660717

If you want a level playing field, you need to get rid of all advantages. It is your perception that Dublin's advantages are unfair, but it may well be that others perceive the advantages held by Kerry (small province with others focussed on hurling, tradition, etc.) to be unfair. You don't hold the right to determine which advantage is fair and which advantage is unfair. There have been a lot of arguments that the GDOs in Dublin are a fair advantage (if they even are one) because of their objective to increase juvenile participation trumps any notion of level playing field at senior inter-county level. After all, you can only put 15 players on the pitch.

If you split Dublin because of finance, you must also split Limerick in hurling, if you split Dublin because of population, you must also split and merge other counties, otherwise your talk of a level playing field is just talk.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660626#Comment_121660626

That's exactly what you have done !! you have presented nothing , Again it wouldn't help Dublin , it wouldnt' help Waterford, Clare , Limerick , Leitrim ,Longford Carlow etc , it would only help a handful of Counties mainly your own the Mighty Kerry , go away with your nonsense , your fooling no one .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660717#Comment_121660717

Kerry Cork Mayo Galway Down are unfairly advantaged over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc both in funding and population , but you don't care about weaker Counties , all you care about is weakening Dublin to help Kerry , your fooling no one !

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660866#Comment_121660866

Again, I have done so repeatedly- please review my previous posts. The opinions are valid as they based off truth and evidence, which are both repeatedly cited in the formulation of the argument.

tayto lover

The 3 club football titles went to Ulster teams.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661041#Comment_121661041

Nope. You haven't. 4th time saying it now. Repeat it again and you'll have 5 in a row, which is unique for a Kerryman 😘. You can be King Puck this year.

Also, for the record, I've accused you of avoiding questions by fobbing me off, usually by saying "refer to my previous answers".

Your reply to this accusation is to ask "which questions have I done that with" and, when I gave you one single example, you then say "please refer to my previous answers", thereby proving my point.

You can at least see the contradiction and irony in this reply, yes? And why everyone else thinks you're on the wind up?

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661041#Comment_121661041

More nonsense , you have been found out , you are fooling no one , its all so clear why you want Dublin split , you have made a right idiot of yourself .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660902#Comment_121660902

I already answered that, repeatedly, but happy to humour you and answer it again. If Dublin are split, New York are helped in several way. One, because the unfair advantages Dublin currently enjoy are no longer concentrated into a single team but are instead dispersed among several. But more importantly, as the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition are enhanced (due to less unfairness because Dublin alone are no longer uniquely unfairly advantaged), interest and competitiveness will increase, helping all counties in the longer term, including Dublin.

I think maybe the problem here is you are not considering the alternative. Without splitting Dublin, they'll continue to win off a platform of advantages that it's obvious to everyone is unfair. Interest is declining as people don't want to compete in a competition where one team alone is uniquely unfairly advantaged. So without spltting Dublin, the All-Ireland competition will wither away, which will be immensely harmful. You also seen to persist in the fixed, false belief that Dublin alone are not uniquely advantaged and that their successes have come fairly. Once you let go of this idea, reality will become a lot plainer.

Essentially it boils down to:

Winning unfairly = bad for everyone

Steps to reduce unfairness = good for everyone

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660928#Comment_121660928

As I've said before, minor discrepancies can be tolerated but the scale, nature, combination and duration of Dublin's advantages mean they should be split. And they alone- nobody else even comes close. And it's not a perception- it's been repeatedly proven how playing pool, funding, playing at home etc. are advantages in sport. Any one of these individually would be an issue but combine them for decades as in Dublin's case and it's a big, big problem for the GAA. The Games Development funding helps the senior team (due to players ageing and reduced opportunity cost from other spending) but most importantly, Dublin alone were favoured again here.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661136#Comment_121661136

Answered in the other post- I have been very patient with you but you should at least try to answer the points raised rather than pretending I haven't answered you. You have failed to answer the questions I put to you however- as I said, your projection is strong.

dunnerc

This sad individual has to be on the wind up , Kerry Cork Down Galway Mayo etc have both population and funding advantages over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc , but doesn't give a monkeys about these Counties , just like he doesn't give a monkeys about Waterford Clare Limerick in Munster , all he is after is weakening Dublin to help his own County Kerry remain the dominant force in inter County football. This farce of a thread needs to be shut down its ridiculous going around in circles .

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661218#Comment_121661218

As I've said before all you want is to weaken Dublin to help your County Kerry , splitting Dublin will do nothing for the weaker Counties, Kerry Cork Galway Mayo Down etc would have to be split also and mergers too . You have been found out and are fooling no one .

gaffer91

I have proposed something that helps Leitrim, Longford and Carlow. And helps Waterford, Limerick and Clare. And that something is splitting Dublin. This helps all counties.

Billy_the_Kid

Do you think splitting Dublin into 4 or 5 county teams will benefit Dublin hurling and hurling in general? Or kill it off completely

gaffer91

Depends on how funding has been allocated really. If it was mostly for the footballers, it may be the case that only a two-way split is warranted for the hurlers to benefit the organisation.

I was only in favour of a two-way split of the footballers on population grounds prior to the now decades of overfunding for instance. Now unfortunately a 4+ way split is needed to really help the GAA.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661622#Comment_121661622

Kerry aren't 2nd best in hurling, he was doesn't give a monkeys.

Billy_the_Kid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661656#Comment_121661656

So how does a two way split of Dublin hurling benefit the organisation?

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661530#Comment_121661530

You have proposed splitting Dublin to help your own County Kerry , you have been found out , your fooling no one !!

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661656#Comment_121661656

Your not interested in helping the GAA , Your only INTERESTED in splitting Dublin to help your own County Kerry , again you have been found out and are fooling no one .

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661195#Comment_121661195

That's not an answer. Well it is, technically speaking, but it's not really. It's like my "42" answers earlier in the thread. I told you that the integrity, prestige and fairness would be in tatters if you deliberately hobble the strongest team so that Kerry can win. You ignored that part and just repeated the same words back to me. That's because you can't answer the question honestly, due to the fact that it blows your entire argument out of the water.

I'm not asking about the overall integrity etc of the competition. I'm asking you how having extra Dublin teams improves their chances at progressing further in it. Your refusal to actually address the question is quite telling. Your hypocrisy in telling me to address your points, doubly so. And now you're admonishing me for avoiding questions while you a) are actively avoiding answering questions and b) refused to reveal where you were from for more than a decade.

Projection indeed.

Here it is, in simple terms:

Let's say that Leitrim and New York are the two worst teams in the AI. They are both 100/1 to get to the AI QF, which is the first time they could possibly meet Dublin.

You split Dublin into 4 teams before a ball is kicked.

Now, which of the following is most likely to happen to their odds of making the QF:

1) reduced to 90/1 (their chances have improved, meaning you were right)

2) increased to 120/1 (their chances have disimproved, meaning you were wrong) or

3) still 100/1 (because whether or not there are 60 Dublin teams, this has no bearing on the likelihood of them making it out of the provincials, which also means you were wrong)

There you go. Three possible answers, but only one correct one. I predict that you will refuse to pick one of them and instead resort to your "rising tide lifts all boats" shite or some other meandering bollocks. Again.

I'm asking you, in front of everyone on this thread, for a straightforward answer..... Either 1, 2 or 3.

My money is on a huge pile of weasel words that you think carefully navigates through this simple question, but ultimately exposes you for the hypocritical fraud that you've shown yourself to be. Again.

Yeah Right

"You can at least see the contradiction and irony in this reply, yes? And why everyone else thinks you're on the wind up?"

Two more questions you refused to answer, by the way.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121661731#Comment_121661731

Same reason a split of Dublin helps the organisation- they're in such an insanely advantaged position when it comes to population (and potentially funding) that it's not a fair competition, even if they don't win every year. Splitting them disperses these advantages, reducing the unfairness and improving the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition.