Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

Rjd2

The Lincoln Project are absolute ghouls who paved the way for Trump and its absurd that people who call themselves leftwing are cheer leading for them.

Its not surprising that these scumbags have been able to find to many marks to grift , but its still nonetheless a pretty depressing sight.

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Lincoln Project are absolute ghouls who paved the way for Trump and its absurd that people who call themselves leftwing are cheer leading for them.

Its not surprising that these scumbags have been able to find to many marks to grift , but its still nonetheless a pretty depressing sight.

They’re anti Trump republicans. Nobody is illusioned that they aren’t republicans, or that many if not all of them campaigned against a Hillary Clinton presidency.

I see you get your “grift” talking points from Ben Shapiro and Laura Ingraham too? No secret what media you’ve been adopting lately.

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1285411140512645120?s=21

Timberrrrrrrr

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Lincoln Project are absolute ghouls who paved the way for Trump and its absurd that people who call themselves leftwing are cheer leading for them.

Its not surprising that these scumbags have been able to find to many marks to grift , but its still nonetheless a pretty depressing sight.

Who is this?

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

They’re anti Trump republicans. Nobody is illusioned that they aren’t republicans, or that many if not all of them campaigned against a Hillary Clinton presidency.

I see you get your “grift” talking points from Ben Shapiro and Laura Ingraham too? No secret what media you’ve been adopting lately.

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1285411140512645120?s=21

Lincoln Project founders are some of the worst people , Wilson, Kristol etc who have all played a big role in making a Trump presidency possible.

This is a grift nothing more than that and its somewhat depressing that people who claim they are left wing are lapping up.

I don't think I have ever watched much of Ingram so don't really want to comment on her, Shapiro is the worst of the worst. He has made millions dunking on teenagers while running from debates from anyone half serious. The Andrew Neil interview with him is political pornhub for me.

His neoconservatism politics blah blah free markets, overseas exceptionalism,,picking yourself by your bootstrap bollocks are all policies that the Lincoln Project have forced on the American people when they were in power and heh its a mystery we got Trump isn't it?

Its quite possible to believe Shapiro and The Lincoln Project are both abysmal and people should stop giving them money.

Rjd2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Who is this?

Go online anywhere its impossible to avoid their videos while those posting them claim they are left wing and supporting the Democrat party.

The same people Yesterday who were probably celebrating John ****ing Kasich speaking at the DNC.

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

Lincoln Project founders are some of the worst people , Wilson, Kristol etc who have all played a big role in making a Trump presidency possible.

This is a grift nothing more than that and its somewhat depressing that people who claim they are left wing are lapping up.

I don't think I have ever watched much of Ingram so don't really want to comment on her, Shapiro is the worst of the worst. He has made millions dunking on teenagers while running from debates from anyone half serious.

His neoconservatism politics blah blah free markets, overseas exceptionalism,,picking yourself by your bootstrap bollocks are all policies that the Lincoln Project have forced on the American people when they were in power.

Its quite possible to believe Shapiro and The Lincoln Project are both crap.

Sure a lot of people helped get Trump elected and changed their minds, that’s allowed. Doesn’t make them grifters, it’s not like LP is begging me for money? Whereas people like Bolton are trying to get rich off books before they will testify in an impeachment trial. Now, that’s grifting. You using that word here makes me less than sure you know what it means - or them, Ben and Laura, for that matter.

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

Sure a lot of people helped get Trump elected and changed their minds, that’s allowed. Doesn’t make them grifters, it’s not like LP is begging me for money? Whereas people like Bolton are trying to get rich off books before they will testify in an impeachment trial. Now, that’s grifting. You using that word here makes me less than sure you know what it means - or them, Ben and Laura, for that matter.

The Lincoln Project exists to enrich its founders and heh if people want to make Ric Wilson even wealthier than he is go ahead, but don't claim you are left wing and swoon over their videos. (not saying you are, but plenty others elsewhere are)

These are very bad people who didn't merely vote Republican many were key members of Republican think tanks over last few decades which enforced Zombie Reganism on the nation.

Hopefully when Trump loses these people like him will **** off, but I do worry they will try and steer the Biden presidency to the right on certain issues such as foreign policy and Biden a hawk will be very susceptible to these ghouls.

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Lincoln Project exists to enrich its founders and heh if people want to make Ric Wilson even wealthier than he is go ahead, but don't claim you are left wing and swoon over their videos. (not saying you are, but plenty others elsewhere are)

These are very bad people who didn't merely vote Republican many were key members of Republican think tanks over last few decades which enforced Zombie Reganism on the nation.

Hopefully when Trump loses these people like him will **** off, but I do worry they will try and steer the Biden presidency to the right on certain issues such as foreign policy and Biden a hawk will be very susceptible to these ghouls.

Meh. You can certainly still be counted among the cultural left and still count the Lincoln Project as the enemy of your enemy.

BonnieSituation

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Lincoln Project exists to enrich its founders and heh if people want to make Ric Wilson even wealthier than he is go ahead, but don't claim you are left wing and swoon over their videos. (not saying you are, but plenty others elsewhere are)

These are very bad people who didn't merely vote Republican many were key members of Republican think tanks over last few decades which enforced Zombie Reganism on the nation.

Hopefully when Trump loses these people like him will **** off, but I do worry they will try and steer the Biden presidency to the right on certain issues such as foreign policy and Biden a hawk will be very susceptible to these ghouls.

Step one: get rid of Trump.

Everything after that will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

Meh. You can certainly still be counted among the cultural left and still count the Lincoln Project as the enemy of your enemy.

Of course, but the glee I see about their videos online all the time its a bit much.

I don't think either of us are going to budge to much on this, so will leave this debate for now. I am sure when they post their next viral video (probably tomorrow ) we can revisit.

Rjd2

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Step one: get rid of Trump.

Everything after that will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

We shall see.:)

I hope the Biden presidency is genuinely trailblazing because in 4 years you will get a version of Trump who is much more telegenic and certainly much more cunning.

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

Of course, but the glee I see about their videos online all the time its a bit much.

I don't think either of us are going to budge to much on this, so will leave this debate for now. I am sure when they post their next viral video (probably tomorrow ) we can revisit.

It's as much the glee as they're fairly good at it, as it is amazing to see the strife under the GOPs big tent. I have never seen a party/side campaign this hard against their own incumbent POTUS, I've seen them primary their own congresspeople sure but this is a new level.

Pa ElGrande

“We have a whole group of lawyers who are going out to every polling-every-uh uh uh voter registration physician in the states, the Secretaries of States...to allow for voting in place.”
Joe Biden

source

and

BREAKING: Trump Signs Executive Order Excluding Illegal Immigrants from ‘Being Counted’ for Voting Districts



Both sides are laying the groundwork to take the US presidential election to their supreme court.

Quin_Dub

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

and

BREAKING: Trump Signs Executive Order Excluding Illegal Immigrants from ‘Being Counted’ for Voting Districts



Both sides are laying the groundwork to take the US presidential election to their supreme court.

And Trumps "Executive Order" has no basis in Law - The President has no rights or authority to change how the Census works. It can only be done by congress.

It's pointless sabre rattling for his base.

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And Trumps "Executive Order" has no basis in Law - The President has no rights or authority to change how the Census works. It can only be done by congress.

It's pointless sabre rattling for his base.

I could go on all day and night about the 14th amendment, in particular, if anyone has any confusion about this point. It became a pastime after discovering most of my congressman’s most loyal constituents have apparently never read it, and had some very creative ideas about what they thought the constitution says that it really doesn’t. He hasn’t any leg to stand on with this, it is just red meat for the base: a way to make Trump look like he’s doing something about illegal immigration while earning a narrative against ‘activist liberal judges’ when they invariably issue injunction, which makes them even more supporting of the GOP drive to rubber stamp more and more Trump judiciary appointments.

timsey tiger

goose2005 wrote: »

that'll get out the youth vote, a show that ended 22 years ago...

I didn't get the Seinfield reference, never watched much of it. I was thinking cloverfield and promptly forgot about the title.

It was very good though. I really like curb your enthusiasm, I guess I can relate.

timsey tiger

Rjd2 wrote: »

The Lincoln Project exists to enrich its founders and heh if people want to make Ric Wilson even wealthier than he is go ahead, but don't claim you are left wing and swoon over their videos. (not saying you are, but plenty others elsewhere are)

These are very bad people who didn't merely vote Republican many were key members of Republican think tanks over last few decades which enforced Zombie Reganism on the nation.

Hopefully when Trump loses these people like him will **** off, but I do worry they will try and steer the Biden presidency to the right on certain issues such as foreign policy and Biden a hawk will be very susceptible to these ghouls.

I love it when bad people are fighting with each other, instead of ganging up on the good guys.

Igotadose

timsey tiger wrote: »

I love it when bad people are fighting with each other, instead of ganging up on the good guys.

+1 to this. Money from Republicans that might've gone to Republican causes, now goes to the Lincoln Project. And there are other anti-Trump Republican efforts out there like rvat.org and Meidas.

Quin_Dub

Igotadose wrote: »

+1 to this. Money from Republicans that might've gone to Republican causes, now goes to the Lincoln Project. And there are other anti-Trump Republican efforts out there like rvat.org and Meidas.

Indeed - The Biden campaign out fundraised the Trump campaign in each of the last 3 months , how much of that gap is down to formerly Republican money going to groups like the Lincoln Project instead of into the usual GOP PAC's?

Overheal

Trumps campaign has already cost him a billion dollars. That’s money spent. To be this far behind.

That’s still not close to the total this election will be and it’s not even a quarter what was spent in 2016 all totaled up, which was about $6.5Bn but that’s still a lot of moola. But it still far outstrips what the spend was for his campaign in 2016, which was less than half that figure.

baaba maal

Overheal wrote: »

Trumps campaign has already cost him a billion dollars. That’s money spent. To be this far behind.

That’s still not close to the total this election will be and it’s not even a quarter what was spent in 2016 all totaled up, which was about $6.5Bn but that’s still a lot of moola. But it still far outstrips what the spend was for his campaign in 2016, which was less than half that figure.

"I'm not Clinton" would be cheaper than "I'm not Biden"- the latter being a lot less divisive than the former I would imagine, in spite of Biden's deficiencies.

Muahahaha

Biden just released the video of him and Obama in conversation about the Presidency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3hgsAXbvWc

Overheal

I didn’t get my text message.

Any who. Here’s also the complete context of Bidens remarks that Trump is the first truly racist President

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-full-context-of-joe-biden-calling-trump-americas-first-racist-president/

I still think the remark is a stretch, and would have gone with the modern era. Even Bush didn’t vilify muslims or Arabs. I don’t know how racist FDR was toward the Japanese, either, or their internment. Everyone goes on the job with implicit biases but who acts on them?

Igotadose

Overheal wrote: »

Trumps campaign has already cost him a billion dollars. That’s money spent. To be this far behind.

That’s still not close to the total this election will be and it’s not even a quarter what was spent in 2016 all totaled up, which was about $6.5Bn but that’s still a lot of moola. But it still far outstrips what the spend was for his campaign in 2016, which was less than half that figure.

Vlad daddy can afford it. It's chicken feed. Useful Idiot Trump's doing well by him.

threeball

Overheal wrote: »

Trumps campaign has already cost him a billion dollars. That’s money spent. To be this far behind.

That’s still not close to the total this election will be and it’s not even a quarter what was spent in 2016 all totaled up, which was about $6.5Bn but that’s still a lot of moola. But it still far outstrips what the spend was for his campaign in 2016, which was less than half that figure.

Alot of the money he's raising is going in his own pocket or those of his businesses at least

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/07/21/how-donald-trump-moved-millions-from-his-campaign-donors-to-his-private-business/amp/

The private donation money hes been begging and threatening for isn't being spent on the campaign at all but immediately siphoned in his direction.

ohnonotgmail

threeball wrote: »

Alot of the money he's raising is going in his own pocket or those of his businesses at least

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/07/21/how-donald-trump-moved-millions-from-his-campaign-donors-to-his-private-business/amp/

The private donation money hes been begging and threatening for isn't being spent on the campaign at all but immediately siphoned in his direction.

practically all of it. he hasn't donated a single cent himself to his campaign.

Pa ElGrande

DNC AB testing underway for Karen Bass as Joseph Bidens VP.


Rep. Karen Bass Is On The Short List To Be Joe Biden's Running Mate


Two women, Representative Karen Bass and Susan Rice, the former national security adviser, are among the most formidable contenders on Joe Biden’s list.


I look forward to new Karen memesif she is selected.

Pa ElGrande

Obama on Harris as VP: 'Joe Biden nailed this decision'


Hillary Clinton praises Kamala Harris running mate pick



CNN Suggests Joe Biden Could ‘Step Aside’ for Kamala Harris

Cilizza argued that Biden’s choice reflected confidence that he will win the election in November — but also suggested that he might not be able to do the job.

He wrote (emphasis added):

At 55 years old, [Harris] represents a younger generation of leader — something that Biden, who will be 78 on Inauguration Day 2021, said was a major factor in his choice

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What that all means is that Biden wants the race to be about him as little as possible.

….

What Biden did is make the pick that maximized his chances of continuing to make the race a straight referendum on Trump while also selecting someone, in Harris, whose resume suggests will be ready to step in if and when Biden decides to step aside.

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Opinion: Will picking Kamala Harris make a difference in the November election?

She is a centrist, like Biden. They share an overall philosophy, which is the most important criterion for choosing a potential successor. But most left-of-center progressives, despite some inevitable complaints, will find her an irresistible choice. She is a woman of color, with roots in Africa, India, the Caribbean. Her mother was born in India, her father in Jamaica. That means she is an American through and through; like pretty much all of us the product of immigration.

She would become the first woman vice president and she also has a very good shot at becoming president, not only because of Biden's age, but because she is now the automatic choice for his successor.

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Within 24 hours of her official selection the media are already talking about Kamala Harris being a "centrist" ready to "step in" for Joe Biden.

Pa ElGrande

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Obama on Harris as VP: 'Joe Biden nailed this decision'


Hillary Clinton praises Kamala Harris running mate pick



CNN Suggests Joe Biden Could ‘Step Aside’ for Kamala Harris




Opinion: Will picking Kamala Harris make a difference in the November election?





Within 24 hours of her official selection the media are already talking about Kamala Harris being a "centrist" ready to "step in" for Joe Biden.

The 'step in' is in reference to the fact he likely won't run for a second term. It's been pretty much assumed for months that the VP choice will be the most likely nominee 2024. So it's not exactly surprising that this is being discussed. Overall, it's an incredibly strong pairing where both Biden and Harris have massive name recognition.

James Brown

Biden is no prize pig but I'd take some dude off the street over Trump.
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