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Mass shooting in el paso

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    #182
    Faugheen
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    InTheShadows wrote: »
    CNN "God i hope he's a white Trump supporter"

    Fox News " God i hope he was a Muslim"

    That's America in a nutshell now.

    Look at the Courtown thread and it's actually boards


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    #183
    Outlaw Pete
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Bunch of horse **** to be honest. Big difference between racist speculation and evidentiary facts. If it had been a Muslim then it’s a Muslim - though, ironically, I don’t know how you expected to infer their religious belief from the photo? I certainly don’t know the religious affiliation of the attacker based on two surveillance images now do I? What would the photo need to confirm it was a Muslim, in all fairness?

    Oh you got me, I said Muslims can be visually identified :rolleyes:

    Look, cut the bull. When you saw the guy was white you immediately jumped on the thread and referenced Omar's comments, claiming she had been vindicated because of the shooter's race. You can dance around that as much as you like but that is what you did and my point is that had the shooter been shown to be a non-white, and someone had jumped on the thread and said something like: "Oh look, shock horror, the shooter is from the religion of so called peace, thought Omar said white men are the real problem" then you and others would have (understandably) complained about such a post.

    It's a double standard that grinds my gears.


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    #184
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Police held a conference and have now released the numbers of dead and injured.

    20 people died and 26 injured. Sad day for the families in this area today.


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    #185
    Outlaw Pete
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    A feel good tweet among all the madness ......


    https://twitter.com/sandraKTSM/status/1157763942212624384


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    #186
    Overheal
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Oh you got me, I said Muslims can be visually identified :rolleyes:

    Look, cut the bull. When you saw the guy was white you immediately jumped on the thread and referenced Omar's comments, claiming she had been vindicated because of the shooter's race. You can dance around that as much as you like but that is what you did and my point is that had the shooter been shown to be a non-white, and someone had jumped on the thread and said something like: "Oh look, shock horror, the shooter is from the religion of so called peace, thought Omar said white men are the real problem" then you and others would have (understandably) complained about such a post.

    It's a double standard that grinds my gears.
    Would have been a double standard if she said Christians and someone had gone off when he turned out to be white. You’re making a bad false equivalency there mate. She said white men. It’s a white man. You CAN determine that from a photo.


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    #187
    MrFresh
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Oh you got me, I said Muslims can be visually identified :rolleyes:

    Look, cut the bull. When you saw the guy was white you immediately jumped on the thread and referenced Omar's comments, claiming she had been vindicated because of the shooter's race. You can dance around that as much as you like but that is what you did and my point is that had the shooter been shown to be a non-white, and someone had jumped on the thread and said something like: "Oh look, shock horror, the shooter is from the religion of so called peace, thought Omar said white men are the real problem" then you and others would have (understandably) complained about such a post.

    It's a double standard that grinds my gears.


    You sure it was his race and not his manifesto that was the real reveal?


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    #188
    Cheerful Spring2
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    You sure it was his race and not his manifesto that was the real reveal?

    This was a domestic terrorism attack and its worrying sign in this case a white man felt he had a right to kill people he did not know. You can believe what you like and not kill people. I read the manifesto and clearly this young man was confused about his own thoughts, and there lot of contradictory statements, about immigration and race mixing. You can't blame other races and this were the problem is right now over there in the states. Trump needs to watch his infammatory remarks too- send Omar back to her own country, is hardly fitting of a president. Trump said a lot of bad things about foreigners and they are all of color. Lets be honest here white nationalism is very prevalent in Southern states like Texas, in the 60s it was blacks who suffereed the most, still do and now the Hispanics are a new target for young white supremacists. America needs to face up to the fact they have not fixed their race problems- if they ignore it, more men like this guy will go out and kill people for stupid reasons again.


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    #189
    Outlaw Pete
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    Reports of another mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio.


    https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1157901983614951424


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    #190
    super_furry
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    https://twitter.com/BobMooreNews/status/1157885351521869824?s=19

    And there we have it. A white racist terrorist went to El Paso to murder Hispanic people, no doubt emboldened by the increasingly racist rhetoric from American leaders.

    Much like Islamic terrorists, it's time to start going after the people who are radicalising these young men.


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    #191
    pjohnson
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    super_furry wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BobMooreNews/status/1157885351521869824?s=19

    And there we have it. A white racist terrorist went to El Paso to murder Hispanic people, no doubt emboldened by the increasingly racist rhetoric from American leaders.

    Much like Islamic terrorists, it's time to start going after the people who are radicalising these young men.

    Ah now I'm sure some of this boards regulars will be along to say he wasnt racist.


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    #192
    Harry Palmr
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    Gotta laugh at the idea of a white nationalist expressing hate against Hispanics in a city called El Paso. Who is the invader?


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    #193
    biko
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    If the sheriff is to be believed, and I think he is, then the shooter is Anglo* and came there to kill Hispanics.
    That sounds racist to me.


    *used to refer to people of British Isles descent. Possibly here used to just mean "white"


    EDIT
    I cannot find this statement anywhere else?
    It is reported by a local reporter so most likely legit, just that i can't find other sources.


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    #194
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    Time to edit the thread title and leave it as a stickie.


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    #195
    MrFresh
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    biko wrote: »
    If the sheriff is to be believed, and I think he is, then the shooter is Anglo* and came there to kill Hispanics.
    That sounds racist to me.


    *used to refer to people of British Isles descent. Possibly here used to just mean "white".


    Yeah, he's the racist one. :rolleyes:


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    #196
    biko
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    "Caucasian" is usually the term used to denote white people in US by law enforcement.


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    #197
    MrFresh
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    biko wrote: »
    "Caucasian" is usually the term used to denote white people in US by law enforcement.


    Well thanks for getting to the real issue Biko. I'm sure you've given a lot of people something to think about.


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    #198
    wadacrack
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    Their are serious mental health problems in the US society. This sort of thing is way too common place and the perpetrators all have a common prototype.


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    #199
    biko
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    I suppose more details will be forthcoming - like how he got the gun, motive, if he's a part of a larger network etc


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    #200
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Their are serious mental health problems in the US society. This sort of thing is way too common place and the perpetrators all have a common prototype.

    A common prototype? Care to elaborate?


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    #201
    spurious
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Gotta laugh at the idea of a white nationalist expressing hate against Hispanics in a city called El Paso. Who is the invader?

    Away with you and your education.

    The ignorance of so many Americans is beyond funny, unfortunately, not least when a bigly ignorant one is supposedly their leader.


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    #202
    super_furry
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    Amos Polite Cabinet wrote: »
    A common prototype? Care to elaborate?

    Of recent times, white and far-right.


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    #203
    pjohnson
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    MrFresh wrote: »
    Yeah, he's the racist one. :rolleyes:

    You cant speak ill off the latest idol these regulars have. Dont dare call the shooter racist.

    Manifesto apparently dedicated to "anti-immigration".


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    #204
    8-10
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Their are serious mental health problems in the US society. This sort of thing is way too common place and the perpetrators all have a common prototype.

    I don't buy this as a simple mental health label issue. It's radicalisation of young impressionable people through inciting hate, fear of what's different, faux oppression and preying on the brainwashed patriotism that the USA already has

    The middle east has had plenty of it's own domestic terrorism and suicide bombing over the years and I've never heard it said to be a mental health issue.


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    #205
    eagle eye
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    Anglo suggests kkk types involved. They often refer to their Anglo-Saxon heritage.


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    #206
    biko
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Of recent times, white and far-right.
    Except for the Colorado school shooting who targeted students over criticism about being transgender.
    Or in Orlando, where 49 people were killed by a ISIS follower.

    And of course, in many others we don't have a motive, like Aurora, Colorado

    Interesting map here with info
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map/



    That most shooters are white isn't so strange considering the US is a white-majority country, like Ireland.
    It be kinda weird if the majority of killers were black.


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    #207
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Of recent times, white and far-right.

    It was more the prototype bit that needed elaboration.


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    #208
    paska
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    CNN reporting another shooting just now.


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    #209
    8-10
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    biko wrote: »
    That most shooters are white isn't so strange considering the US is a white-majority country, like Ireland.
    It be kinda weird if the majority of killers were black.

    Em....they are. In every state the rate of death by firearm is higher for black people than white

    It's most definitely disproportional towards black people.

    The exception is domestic terrorism in the form of mass shootings which is more white than black

    But overall it's more black people causing death by shooting


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    #210
    Akrasia
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    Why didn’t one of the ‘good guys with a gun’ stop the ‘bad guys with a gun’.

    Isn’t that how it is supposed to work?


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    #211
    biko
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Why didn’t one of the ‘good guys with a gun’ stop the ‘bad guys with a gun’.
    https://taskandpurpose.com/el-paso-shooting-glendon-oakley
    At first, Army Pfc. Glendon Oakley Jr. was completely unaware of the chaos unfolding just around the corner. Then he pulled his gun.
    "That's what you do," he told Task & Purpose. "You pull your gun, you find cover, and you figure out what to do next."

    The group quickly stumbled upon a group of a dozen children clustered in one of the mall's open play areas, screaming for their parents. Oakley says he tried to get fleeing bystanders to help, but none would stop.

    "I didn't even think. I just grabbed as many kids as I could and ran five stores down to the exit," he said. "We got there and ran into a whole batch of police pointing their guns at us. I wasn't focused on myself, and I wasn't focused on my surroundings ... I was just focused on those kids."


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